Vote yes on 2

[Jdarg]

I am still wondering why the government should be weighing in on a religious definition of marriage.

[swampfox]

I am still wondering why the government should be weighing in on a religious definition of marriage.

Its important to us Christians. Very important

[idlewind]

This should have nothing to do with religion. The simple fact is that the traditional definition of marriage should be protected. It is that simple.

[John R]

Vote yes on #2, it is the best move to protect our society and its traditions.

This should have nothing to do with religion. The simple fact is that the traditional definition of marriage should be protected. It is that simple.

There are those on this thread feel that it's only about religion.

How will yes protect society and it's traditions? What is at jeopardy?

[MattChrist Live]

But do you not see how this amendment will end up hurting the traditional definition of marriage?

[elgordoboy]

But do you not see how this amendment will end up hurting the traditional definition of marriage?

I see how it will alter the definition of traditional marriage. Much like Martin Luther altered the definition of traditional worship.

[swampfox]

I see how it will alter the definition of traditional marriage. Much like Martin Luther altered the definition of traditional worship.

How did MLK alter the definition of traditional worship? And how does Gay marriage constitute an act of worship?

[elgordoboy]

How did MLK alter the definition of traditional worship? And how does Gay marriage constitute an act of worship?

Quoting for posterity. I don't have the heart.

[organicmama]

I see how it will alter the definition of traditional marriage. Much like Martin Luther altered the definition of traditional worship.

How did MLK alter the definition of traditional worship? And how does Gay marriage constitute an act of worship?

I thought you were talking Martin Luther, not MLK, Jr. Was I correct?

[elgordoboy]

I thought you were talking Martin Luther, not MLK, Jr. Was I correct?

You are correct.

[swampfox]

I thought you were talking Martin Luther, not MLK, Jr. Was I correct?

Well now I feel silly. I was on my way out and sped read alittle too fast Oh well..... sorry please accept my apologies, now continue, how did Martin Luther affect traditional worship?

[beachmouse]

One of the biggest thing Luther did was to encourage church services and the Bible to be read in the language of the local people instead of in Latin.

Though in terms of general content of church services, a lot of Protestant churches have stuck pretty close to the old Roman Catholic format. I've been to Episcopal services that only really seem to flip the position of where things happen in the course of the service compared to mass.

[organicmama]

Also, Protestant Reformation (Martin Luther) was the main reason we have capitalism today. Not much time for an explanation but just think Protestant Work Ethic. Had a whole semester on the subject in Sociology.

[MattChrist Live]

Here's a letter to the editor in the Alligator Newspaper, Monday 11/3/08

Religion should not serve political agenda
By Rev. Milford Griner, Hall Chapel United Methodist Church

As a pastor, community leader and advocate of justice and respect, I have been asked in recent weeks to be a public supporter of Amendment 2.

I am officially going on record to state that I will not support this amendment. I do not believe the state government has any business attempting to dictate what people can do in their private lives. As a minister, I do not need the state of Florida to condemn the homosexual lifestyle because the Bible I read and preach from is already quite clear on this.

I do not condone such lifestyles, but I will not discriminate against those who practice this lifestyle just because I do not. If a gay person has a partner on life support in a local hospital, that person has as much right to visit that person as I would if it were my wife who lay dying.

The United Methodist Church is quite clear on not condoning homosexual lifestyles but notes the worthiness in God’s eyes of all of his people. I will not support the amendment or be told what to preach concerning it.

This amendment has the capacity of promoting discrimination and is a stark example of too much government interference in the private lives of citizens. I do not intend to use my church pulpit to spread discrimination, but I will just stay with what the Bible says about homosexual lifestyles only as it relates to God’s word for our lives. I will not use God’s word for political purposes for the sake of something that the government has no business being involved in.

[TooFarTampa]

I am still wondering why the government should be weighing in on a religious definition of marriage.

Actually ... it makes more sense that marriage should be something blessed in churches and temples only, and by ministers of faith, while civil unions should be offered to anyone by the government. For many, marriage is as much a legal contract as it is a religious institution. This is a civil rights issue and our laws are bound to evolve, probably fairly quickly, over the next 20-30 years.

[Bob Wells]

PL
As a registered republican, you are a republican aren't you, really think the leadership of McCain is the leadership this country needs, or are you just voting for the least of 2 evils?

[SWGB]

Marriage is sacred term to Christians civil unio is not

So even though the word doesn't appear in sacred texts it's still sacred?

How did MLK alter the definition of traditional worship? And how does Gay marriage constitute an act of worship?

Gay marriage is not an act of worship it is an act of declaration, same as Straight marraige.

[John R]

Swampfox, things are so much larger than you realize

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[swampfox]

Swampfox, things are so much larger than you realize

I realize that there is only one way to heaven. Thats the blood of the Lord Jesus Christ our savior. There is only one God. That much is very true. And I pray with the very core of my being that you get to have a personal relationship with him. Because I realize how much bigger things really are because of my relationship with him. Now that I know him, my being here on this earth is no longer about me. Its about how I serve the Lord. I probably will never see how much larger things really are while I am here. But I do realize how small and insignificant I am. But make no mistake about it, there is only one God, and only one way to heaven (unless you are jewish, because they are Gods chosen people) and that is accepting the Lord Jesus Christ as your savior.

[SWGB]

I realize that there is only one way to heaven. Thats the blood of the Lord Jesus Christ our savior. There is only one God. That much is very true. And I pray with the very core of my being that you get to have a personal relationship with him. Because I realize how much bigger things really are because of my relationship with him. Now that I know him, my being here on this earth is no longer about me. Its about how I serve the Lord. I probably will never see how much larger things really are while I am here. But I do realize how small and insignificant I am. But make no mistake about it, there is only one God, and only one way to heaven (unless you are jewish, because they are Gods chosen people) and that is accepting the Lord Jesus Christ as your savior.

Good help is soooo hard to find.

[organicmama]

Obviously, the idea that God is bigger than just one religion, doesn't matter.

In my very humble opinion, God's love for humanity does not cause the hatred for others that many mainstream religious dogmas cause or the need to force a very narrow view of religion on all people. God is pure & absolute love, nothing more and nothing less. Anything that puts God in a box, takes away from all that God is.

I could go on for days about this subject, but I'll leave it at that.

[waltonco lover]

Good help is soooo hard to find.