Arial Dunes condos - photos - June 15 2006

[Smiling JOe]

more photos in here.

(I cannot recall who was looking for photos of Arial Dunes, but I took some today.)

[FLSunChaser]

I have interior photos of the units if anyone is interested (From AD-1). The finish work is extremely nice and the views are awesome. I wasn't really thrilled about it 2 years ago when they launched it, but it's pretty awesome!

[SHELLY]

How many will leave their deposits on the table and walk away?

[Miss Kitty]

...I get it...Aerial Dunes! Are these located near the Back Porch in Destin? They are very tall. How many units?

[FLSunChaser]

...I get it...Aerial Dunes! Are these located near the Back Porch in Destin? They are very tall. How many units?

No, they are located in Seascape on Scenic Gulf Drive by the outlet mall

[Miss Kitty]

Thanks! I bet they have nice views.

[dsilvar]

How many will leave their deposits on the table and walk away?

SHELLY, me thinks you have a secret wish that "investulators" of any ilk will and should take it in the shorts for trying to turn an honest buck in a self confessed capatilistic society, playing by the stated rules.
Oddly enough, my sense is that the majority of owners of these condos are long term holders with only a few that are determined to sell. I for one intend to use my unit as a vacation haven and for visiting relatives..ad infinitum. It is fully paid for and I suspect I may not be the only one in this situation.

Thanks SJ, it was I that asked for the pics of Ariel Dunes and I do appreciate you taking the time to post them. Remember me? The guy with the red twin ported 350 HP newly chipped V8 with the sweetest note from twin cat back magnaflows, mercedes 500 SL?

There are 24 floors with 10 units a floor most at 1300 to 1700 sqft and well appointed with views of the bay and gulf , both within walking distance. Close to shopping and fine dining and several parks with beaches that rival any I have seen.
And I have seen them from Goa to Ohau and Puket to Brisbane.

[kathydwells]

It is fully paid for.

Remember me? The guy with the red twin ported 350 HP newly chipped V8 with the sweetest note from twin cat back magnaflows, mercedes 500 SL?

Want to adopt me? PLEEZ.

[SHELLY]

Oddly enough, my sense is that the majority of owners of these condos are long term holders with only a few that are determined to sell. .

Only a few...

[Pirate]

SHELLY, me thinks you have a secret wish that "investulators" of any ilk will and should take it in the shorts for trying to turn an honest buck in a self confessed capatilistic society, playing by the stated rules.
Oddly enough, my sense is that the majority of owners of these condos are long term holders with only a few that are determined to sell. I for one intend to use my unit as a vacation haven and for visiting relatives..ad infinitum. It is fully paid for and I suspect I may not be the only one in this situation.

Thanks SJ, it was I that asked for the pics of Ariel Dunes and I do appreciate you taking the time to post them. Remember me? The guy with the red twin ported 350 HP newly chipped V8 with the sweetest note from twin cat back magnaflows, mercedes 500 SL?

There are 24 floors with 10 units a floor most at 1300 to 1700 sqft and well appointed with views of the bay and gulf , both within walking distance. Close to shopping and fine dining and several parks with beaches that rival any I have seen.
And I have seen them from Goa to Ohau and Puket to Brisbane.

What is "twin ported" ?

You mean Phuket and Oahu ?

What makes you feel the owners are long term?

[dsilvar]

Only a few...

10%?..

[cooleydog]

Thanks for the shots of Ariel Dunes II. Did you happen to take any of the Ariel Dunes I building? We're expected to close in mid-July and would love to see the almost finished product! (I haven't been there since January)

I agree - there are alot of flippers out there. But we're in it for the long haul!

Thanks!

[Smiling JOe]

There are 131 actively listed for sale
2 pending with contingencies
240 pending

I would guess that very few will leave their down payments on the table and walk, but what do I know?

[Smiling JOe]

Thanks for the shots of Ariel Dunes II. Did you happen to take any of the Ariel Dunes I building? We're expected to close in mid-July and would love to see the almost finished product! (I haven't been there since January)

I agree - there are alot of flippers out there. But we're in it for the long haul!

Thanks!

Yes, I did get shots of the almost completed building. Go to the first post and click on "here" and that will take you to my photo album where they are located.

[dsilvar]

What is "twin ported" ?

You mean Phuket and Oahu ?

What makes you feel the owners are long term?

Twin ported K&N filtered intakes..yep Oahu..and if you have been to Phuket the you will understand the local thai pronounciation..puket.

I am (a long term owner), and I have spoken to several that have like plans..there are currently about 40 on the market out of about 240..about 16%?..hardly makes the case for short term.
What make you feel its otherwise.?

[cooleydog]

Thank you!

[SHELLY]

There are 131 actively listed for sale
2 pending with contingencies
240 pending
I would guess that very few will leave their down payments on the table and walk, but what do I know?

That would be just over 50% looking to flip?

You're a numbers guy Joe--what will that do to the median price of condos (and condo comps) in the area when 240 are released onto the market at (pre-construction) sales prices of $200 - $350 thousand?

[cooleydog]

The 131 units for sale has now been reduced to 127 units and is out of a total of 458 units in both buildings bringing your "over 50%" down to 27%. From what I hear, this percentage is typical of preconstruction.

Also, the 240 pending include the ones that the original owners are buying.

I'm kind of new to this board but its already clear that you can't believe everything that is posted!

[TooFarTampa]

The 131 units for sale has now been reduced to 127 units and is out of a total of 458 units in both buildings bringing your "over 50%" down to 27%. From what I hear, this percentage is typical of preconstruction.

Also, the 240 pending include the ones that the original owners are buying.

I'm kind of new to this board but its already clear that you can't believe everything that is posted!

But you do find nice people willing to go out of their way to post pictures of items of interest to others on the board ... for free. You get more than what you pay for, IMO.

[Pirate]

I am (a long term owner), and I have spoken to several that have like plans..there are currently about 40 on the market out of about 240..about 16%?..hardly makes the case for short term.
What make you feel its otherwise.?

Are there 240 pending and of those 240 roughly half are currently listed for sale? Can you say flipper?

If that is the case this is why I feel otherwise. If it isn't as I've always said I wish everyone here would make money on their place. I just feel it isn't going to happen. I would guess those who bought at the end of last summer on 30-a have lost in the double digit percentages already.

[Jellyfish]

I looked at that development to buy when it first was announced, sold out in like 15 seconds or something. Now there's plenty for sale. That kinda sums it up for me, in terms of the market.

PS- I think it's pretty funny how on the MLS listings they have a field for "PreConFlip"

[dsilvar]

Are there 240 pending and of those 240 roughly half are currently listed for sale? Can you say flipper?

If that is the case this is why I feel otherwise. If it isn't as I've always said I wish everyone here would make money on their place. I just feel it isn't going to happen. I would guess those who bought at the end of last summer on 30-a have lost in the double digit percentages already.

And can you say "read the posted information"?
Let me just reiterate it for you....since you seem to have a penchant for dumb comments..

The 131 units for sale has now been reduced to 127 units and is out of a total of 458 units in both buildings bringing your "over 50%" down to 27%. From what I hear, this percentage is typical of preconstruction.

Also, the 240 pending include the ones that the original owners are buying.

Here is another beauty of yours..

Real estate values have historically come back after decreases but that doesn't mean you actually make any money. If this areas prices dropped say 30% and then stagnated for 10 years (as has happened before) and rebounded to the current levels you would actually lose money if you sold.

Huh? what? Can you say "purchase price?"
Current market prices are 200% and in some cases 300% higher than prices 3+ years ago..so given your perfect storm above (that is without any precedent) and considering carrying costs I would still do much better in 10 years than..bonds? did you say?

[Pirate]

If you just bought pre-construction last/this year I understand why you are so defensive, sorry. Don't throw the word dumb around too freely. The "perfect storm" happened in Destin, ask a realtor who has been around. In order to benefit from the prices 3 years ago you need to have purchased a property then and sold it, looks like you did neither ... but you made someone money.

[goofer44]

[dsilvar]

If you just bought pre-construction last/this year I understand why you are so defensive, sorry. Don't throw the word dumb around too freely. The "perfect storm" happened in Destin, ask a realtor who has been around. In order to benefit from the prices 3 years ago you need to have purchased a property then and sold it, looks like you did neither ... but you made someone money.

I own 4 properties in Florida that I intend holding long term. Ariel Dunes was the last, a precon purchase in early 2004. I have no doubt that it will be worth a lot more in 10 years. In any case, since I will be living there, the question is moot.
As for the others, If I were to sell today at "market" I would have an annualized rate of return of over 50%..never mind in 10 years. And yes, I did include carrying costs.
I am defensive because so many posters, like yourself, that live vicariously thru' the SoWal forums, and who spend a few weeks at best in the county, hold little or no real-estate in Florida, are the biggest bears and the loudest doomsayers at large.
Enter the eye of the (real-estate) dragon first and feel the flames of the market with your money on the line and then you may be qualified to say " In order to benefit from the prices 3 years ago you need to have purchased a property then and sold it, looks like you did neither ... but you made someone money."
There is ample historical RE precedent that augurs well for us, in the future.
Just my take....

[Mango]

I showed this to some friends in California who are looking for a beach place, and they flipped when they saw the views and the prices. They are so excited, they are getting on a plane to view properties asap for their own personal usage.

In other parts of the country you can't touch a property like this with these views. I would consider buying one if I weren't afraid of heights.
and I am more a 30A type person. As of now, I have to tie a rope to my waist to stand on my 3rd floor deck on my house.

[Smiling JOe]

I showed this to some friends in California who are looking for a beach place, and they flipped when they saw the views and the prices. They are so excited, they are getting on a plane to view properties asap for their own personal usage.

In other parts of the country you can't touch a property like this with these views. I would consider buying one if I weren't afraid of heights.
and I am more a 30A type person. As of now, I have to tie a rope to my waist to stand on my 3rd floor deck on my house.

Do your friends need a Realtor?

[Pirate]

I own 4 properties in Florida that I intend holding long term. Ariel Dunes was the last, a precon purchase in early 2004. I have no doubt that it will be worth a lot more in 10 years. In any case, since I will be living there, the question is moot.
As for the others, If I were to sell today at "market" I would have an annualized rate of return of over 50%..never mind in 10 years. And yes, I did include carrying costs.
I am defensive because so many posters, like yourself, that live vicariously thru' the SoWal forums, and who spend a few weeks at best in the county, hold little or no real-estate in Florida, are the biggest bears and the loudest doomsayers at large.
Enter the eye of the (real-estate) dragon first and feel the flames of the market with your money on the line and then you may be qualified to say " In order to benefit from the prices 3 years ago you need to have purchased a property then and sold it, looks like you did neither ... but you made someone money."
There is ample historical RE precedent that augurs well for us, in the future.
Just my take....

I am a builder/developer and own property on 30-a and in Atlanta so I am not sure how I could live vicariously through this board. I bought there several years ago and have had a great increase in value even if the market decreases by half. I have been visiting Destin for over 35 years and my family has owned property there since the 70's. I assure you I am not a bear on Real Estate in general, I base my entire life on it and make my living by it. I own commercial property in the Atlanta area and the value of it has doubled in 5 years, that really isn't reasonable either. I should be jumping for joy but I won't sell because I bought all this property to create cash flow. My problem is that property with investment potential is non existant in that area and that is now becoming evident to most people. The area is a vacation area with primarily rental property. Rental property should provide a reasonable return from rentals. At current prices no property will. Add to that little chance for price increases for sale or rental in the near future. The historical RE precedent says SoWal shouldn't increase in value again for years according to the averages you mention. My main issue is that I buy a piece of property to provide a return on cash. Maybe I have bought my last property that will ever do this but I doubt that. When I look at a property and it returns 1-3 percent on cash, then another buyer looks at it with 95 percent easy bank money and it returns 9 percent, that is a problem. Leveraged property should return much more because the risk of loss of your entire investment exists. Do you really feel the largest historical increase in RE value happened to coincide by chance with the lowest interest rates and highest level of debt to wealth for Americans ever? I am averse to risk from leveraging and overpaying so that has made me bearish only in the current market. The commercial market here has skyrocketed as well. With 1031 money flying around the past few years and people who will pay a premium spending it, and lenders shoveling money out (for commercial and residential), it leaves me no opportunity to buy additional properties. I think more opportunity is coming, and if I am wrong that's OK too, I'll just have less to do and can enjoy the beach more.

[Unplugged]

Here are some VIEWS from Tower I (19th floor).

There are some incredible buys in Tower I right now.

ADII closings may be closer to Spring '07.

The higher units in Tower II will have spectacular sunset views.
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[Mango]

Do your friends need a Realtor?

You don't look like your tar do you? I have a feeling they are gay. If so, you might want to cover the cooley better!

I will check with him, He's a mortgage broker and he is working on a mortgage for my Mom in Vegas.

IM me your info.

Donna

[Smiling JOe]

You don't look like your tar do you? I have a feeling they are gay. If so, you might want to cover the cooley better!

I will check with him, He's a mortgage broker and he is working on a mortgage for my Mom in Vegas.

IM me your info.

Donna

I don't normally wear the sumo suit when negotiating real estate, and I get along well with most all people. What people prefer to do when they are naked is none of my business.

[cooleydog]

Anyone notice the Ariel Dunes I units are starting to move a little? Are people starting to realize what great buys they can get?

[Smiling JOe]

Anyone notice the Ariel Dunes I units are starting to move a little? Are people starting to realize what great buys they can get?

New listings have dropped from 70 per day in Walton Co down to around 40 per day. Also, during this past, week we have seen a slight up-tick in interest from prospective buyers.

[Unplugged]

Anyone notice the Ariel Dunes I units are starting to move a little? Are people starting to realize what great buys they can get?

Yes - we just wrote a contract on one... There are some great buys in there now....

[dsilvar]

Yes - we just wrote a contract on one... There are some great buys in there now....

This may signal the bottom for us in the "dunes".

[SHELLY]

This may signal the bottom for us in the "dunes".

[dsilvar]

Greater than a 40% drop from highs of a few months ago but still up 20% from precon prices.

[FLSunChaser]

Anyone notice the Ariel Dunes I units are starting to move a little? Are people starting to realize what great buys they can get?

10 have gone under contract since last Thursday and three more are in the works. I think the word is out that it's such a great building, awesome, awesome views. And quite frankly, several of the original purchasers in that building are walking away without making a dime.

[surfer]

Why are you arguing with the Bears on this thread? Real estate values might come back, but the trends I saw on another thread indicate that the market is in the tank big time with no end in sight based on inventory levels. Your arguments ring hollow based on the trends I saw on the other thread.

Sure, if you bought long ago, you might still be in the money, but prices seem like they continue to fall. Who knows where prices will eventually bottom out and how long it will take to relieve all the inventory in the market. This area is not unique. Many, many areas of the country, especially second home markets, are getting hammered these days with no end in sight due to higher interest rates, etc.

And can you say "read the posted information"?
Let me just reiterate it for you....since you seem to have a penchant for dumb comments..

The 131 units for sale has now been reduced to 127 units and is out of a total of 458 units in both buildings bringing your "over 50%" down to 27%. From what I hear, this percentage is typical of preconstruction.

Also, the 240 pending include the ones that the original owners are buying.

Here is another beauty of yours..

Real estate values have historically come back after decreases but that doesn't mean you actually make any money. If this areas prices dropped say 30% and then stagnated for 10 years (as has happened before) and rebounded to the current levels you would actually lose money if you sold.

Huh? what? Can you say "purchase price?"
Current market prices are 200% and in some cases 300% higher than prices 3+ years ago..so given your perfect storm above (that is without any precedent) and considering carrying costs I would still do much better in 10 years than..bonds? did you say?

[cooleydog]

But we're not talking about all other markets and all other condos on this thread. We are talking about Ariel Dunes. And I think the "bulls" on this thread are trying to discuss amongst themselves that Ariel Dunes is looking better than it has in the last several months based on market prices and number of units pending. So why don't you keep your general bearish comments on other boards because I'm frankly tired of reading them. If you want to talk about Ariel Dunes, please do.

[dsilvar]

But we're not talking about all other markets and all other condos on this thread. We are talking about Ariel Dunes. And I think the "bulls" on this thread are trying to discuss amongst themselves that Ariel Dunes is looking better than it has in the last several months based on market prices and number of units pending. So why don't you keep your general bearish comments on other boards because I'm frankly tired of reading them. If you want to talk about Ariel Dunes, please do.

Ho Ho ho..thems fightin' words, cooleydog!! Nevertheless I understand surfer dudes comments as saying that no one really knows how this real estate "soft landing" is all going to play out and where the bottom is, or if condo prices are going to slide further..but to say this area is not unique is simply not true.
Why just ask any of the 30-A royalty about "this area" and he/she will wax eloquent for an hour.
The boomers have not just gone away and as we sit with this stalemate in area prices to unwind the real demand for property is building up.
The demand for costal real estate is growing even as we speak.
Watch out when the flood gates open up.

[SHELLY]

10 have gone under contract since last Thursday and three more are in the works. I think the word is out that it's such a great building, awesome, awesome views. And quite frankly, several of the original purchasers in that building are walking away without making a dime.

You mean they walked out on a 20% markup?? (as stated above)

OR...was it because they couldn't find a buyer (in which case the 20% mark-up, well...wasn't), OR because they were unable to to find a bank to lend them the mortgage OR do they just get a kick out of throwing their money down the drain??

[FLSunChaser]

Not sure and don't know each individual owners circumstances for selling. Just glad to be a part of some real estate that's selling.

[Unplugged]

Not sure and don't know each individual owners circumstances for selling. Just glad to be a part of some real estate that's selling.

These views should certainly help move some units:
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[pmd8]

more photos in here.

(I cannot recall who was looking for photos of Arial Dunes, but I took some today.)

Man they're ugly.

[dsilvar]

Man they're ugly.

Man..so are you!
All in the eye of the beholder. I suggest you walk the building before you talk.

[pmd8]

I'm guessing you're not from around here. People who grew up around the panhandle have some manners. Or do you call it "the Great Northwest" a la St. Joe?

At least my dog still loves me.

I also like the artificial lake which seems to be the same shade of green as the tennis courts. Maybe they can put in some chemicals or algicides that can then filter into the Gulf.

[dsilvar]

I'm guessing you're not from around here. People who grew up around the panhandle have some manners. Or do you call it "the Great Northwest" a la St. Joe?

At least my dog still loves me.

I also like the artificial lake which seems to be the same shade of green as the tennis courts. Maybe they can put in some chemicals or algicides that can then filter into the Gulf.

Do pardon me, I am indeed not a inbred local dweller...but I try to refrain from denegrating anothers home.
I think that may be the first rule in the manner book. However....the "artificial lake" serves an important ecological function..alge might be ugly to you but for a feeding heron or egret, frog or fish or a myriad of microorganisms its food.
I will ask the Seascape HOA to aereate the pond to increase dissolved oxygen and enhance the appearance. No need for chemical intervention...that may be the locals way of dealing with it but there ARE other ways.
I am aware that this area is considered a riviera of sorts.....
and , by the way... arf, arf !

[pmd8]

It's "denigrating" and "aerate"; "another's" rather than anothers to reflect the possessive case. I'm sure "a inbred" was a typo and you meant "an inbred". At least that's what my cousin/sister-in-law tells me.

I'm sorry you missed the sarcasm in my remark about chemicals and algicides.

Algae (not alge) is indeed a naturally occurring phenomenon. When the concentration is too high, as indicated by the soupy green appearance, it's usually secondary to the runoff of nitrogen and phosphorus from fertilizer used on lawns and farms. It's what has caused the infamous dead zone extending 90 miles off the coast of Louisiana. The Mississippi River carries runoff from huge farms in the Midwest. Which is why I don't fertilize my bayfront lawn.

An abnormally high algae concentration prevents photosynthesis and subsequent oxygen production. The problem is further compounded when the algae bloom dies off and bacterial decomposition consumes yet more oxygen.

So just ask your HOA to stop fertilizing. Better yet, replace the lawn with some "inbred local dwellers", i.e. indigenous plants.

[dsilvar]

It's "denigrating" and "aerate"; "another's" rather than anothers to reflect the possessive case. I'm sure "a inbred" was a typo and you meant "an inbred". At least that's what my cousin/sister-in-law tells me.

I'm sorry you missed the sarcasm in my remark about chemicals and algicides.

Algae (not alge) is indeed a naturally occurring phenomenon. When the concentration is too high, as indicated by the soupy green appearance, it's usually secondary to the runoff of nitrogen and phosphorus from fertilizer used on lawns and farms. It's what has caused the infamous dead zone extending 90 miles off the coast of Louisiana. The Mississippi River carries runoff from huge farms in the Midwest. Which is why I don't fertilize my bayfront lawn.

An abnormally high algae concentration prevents photosynthesis and subsequent oxygen production. The problem is further compounded when the algae bloom dies off and bacterial decomposition consumes yet more oxygen.

So just ask your HOA to stop fertilizing. Better yet, replace the lawn with some "inbred local dwellers", i.e. indigenous plants.

I get it..you are my 6th grade teacher in disguise!!
If you think that correcting my spelling somehow diminishes my intelligence or suggests that you are anything more than a quick-to-judge moron, you'd be quite wrong. That should be a first for you.
Fertilizers encourage algal growth but are not the problem in Seascape. Aerating the pond and a biological filter should be enough to solve the problem.
You should contain your comments to things you understand or conversely to your unfertilized bay front lawn.
have a good life.