Parking a company vehicle on 30A????

**Beach Buggys** · 03-19-2012, 01:52 AM

I just want to get some opinions on whats acceptable for parking a company vehicle on 30A. Today my business partner had to pick a golf cart up in rosemary beach, I was on my way through with my boat headed to crab island, so our paths crossed in grayton and since we had to come back he jumped in and rode with me to go enjoy a few hours on the water. He parked in the parking lot between pandoras and the corner store. when he parked he was the ONLY vehicle in the parking lot, and less than 4 hours later when we picked it up again his was still the only vehicle in the parking lot. when we got back he had a very nasty hand written note stuck on his windshield. We frequent both these locations regularly and were kindof offended at the note.
Being local businessmen we want to keep a good relationship with all other local businesses if possible, We do keep our magnets on our truck doors because obviously every bit of exposure we can get is good for us. we rarely park like this, it is definitely not in our business plan to advertise this way.
we would appreciate any opinions on this matter,

**joho** · 03-19-2012, 05:20 AM

Originally Posted by Beach Buggys

I just want to get some opinions on whats acceptable for parking a company vehicle on 30A. Today my business partner had to pick a golf cart up in rosemary beach, I was on my way through with my boat headed to crab island, so our paths crossed in grayton and since we had to come back he jumped in and rode with me to go enjoy a few hours on the water. He parked in the parking lot between pandoras and the corner store. when he parked he was the ONLY vehicle in the parking lot, and less than 4 hours later when we picked it up again his was still the only vehicle in the parking lot. when we got back he had a very nasty hand written note stuck on his windshield. We frequent both these locations regularly and were kindof offended at the note.
Being local businessmen we want to keep a good relationship with all other local businesses if possible, We do keep our magnets on our truck doors because obviously every bit of exposure we can get is good for us. we rarely park like this, it is definitely not in our business plan to advertise this way.
we would appreciate any opinions on this matter,

Someone doesn't want you to make it a habit parking your truck there, that's what I read into it.
Four hours is enough time to get noticed. Maybe "you" should have left a note on your window?

**buster** · 03-19-2012, 05:57 AM

Dean - first, you were not parked on 30A. You were parked in a private parking lot. Sounds like the owner thought you were parked there solely to advertise. I would just have quietly apologized and let them know it was an innocent parking and that you enjoy their establishment. Oops too late looks like you just wrote your own nasty note.

One that can be seen from space.

**Beach Buggys** · 03-19-2012, 11:28 AM

Your right, a quiet apology would have been a better method. The person who left the note didn't give me the option to resolve this matter personally as they didn't leave their name or number, only a number to call on monday to see the formal complaint he or she will be making. This person didn't hold much back in their note. Although i did find the harsh letter very uncalled for, my intention here is not to blast anyone. Its more to find out whats acceptable without teeing off anyone else.

**Zebraspots** · 03-19-2012, 05:57 PM

Sounds like you parked not just a vehicle but one with a trailer on it during one of the busiest times of year. Add to that the stress of spring break and all the problems golf carts are causing in the area and I am not surprised someone got mad. But since you said it had advertising on it, don't know why they didnt call you to complain directly instead of leaving a nasty note.

**Beach Buggys** · 03-20-2012, 08:46 AM

Hi zebraspots, your right, They definitely had a reason to be concerned, and a polite phone call would have solved any issue. Just curious? what problems are golf carts causing? I'm asking because we give all our renters a can and can'ts speach and in our folder we have a printout of different ways to respect the area. I would love to do what i can to help solve any problems created by these carts. I personally love them, they're a great way to get around easily. Perfect for vacationers going to and from the beach accesses and such.

Originally Posted by Zebraspots

Sounds like you parked not just a vehicle but one with a trailer on it during one of the busiest times of year. Add to that the stress of spring break and all the problems golf carts are causing in the area and I am not surprised someone got mad. But since you said it had advertising on it, don't know why they didnt call you to complain directly instead of leaving a nasty note.

**mom of zoro** · 03-20-2012, 08:46 PM

Originally Posted by Beach Buggys

Hi zebraspots, your right, They definitely had a reason to be concerned, and a polite phone call would have solved any issue. Just curious? what problems are golf carts causing? I'm asking because we give all our renters a can and can'ts speach and in our folder we have a printout of different ways to respect the area. I would love to do what i can to help solve any problems created by these carts. I personally love them, they're a great way to get around easily. Perfect for vacationers going to and from the beach accesses and such.

I agree that a phone call to the number on your car sign would have been nice. As for the problems with golf carts, where do I start? I just about got run over the other night walking to my car after work in Seaside as the young teen driver, with an overloaded golf cart full of other teens, took a quick left turn in front of me and my co worker to park with out a hoot or holler that he was turning. I especially love to get behind golf carts when I'm on my way home from work on the stretch of 30A that has a 45 speed limit posted and the golf cart won't pull over when there is a line of cars behind it. But my favorite is the family who let their young kids hold even younger kids on their laps on the back of the golf cart to ride a long way up the road to go out to eat with me following them in my car....one foot on the break in case one of the babies falls off! Other than that, they are great! Walking is overrated.

**Lake View Too** · 03-20-2012, 09:23 PM

I don't know if you are new to this forum, but, in general, golf carts on 30-A are really, really not welcomed. There have been many, many threads about them, and overwhelmingly they are disliked. It probably wasn't just that you were parked all day in their parking lot. It probably had a lot to do with the ads you had on your truck. Take a hint.

**Beach Buggys** · 03-20-2012, 10:47 PM

I am new to the forum, and appreciate your opinions. obviously i'm not going to close my business down, but will definitely encourage my renters to not be a part of the problem. For those of you who haven't considered the upsides to these vehicles, this week two of my renters were a family with a severly disabled child with very limited mobility and a family with an elderly person who has to use a walker. I've lived in and around south walton and the beach areas my whole life and i love them. Sure you'll get the occasional inconsiderate A-hole on one, but if the A-hole wasn't in a golf cart he'd be in a car. As for the teen driving the cart with a load of teens on it, I don't allow any drivers of my vehicles below the age of 25, mostly for insurance reasons, but also for my peace of mind. and if that teen wouldn't have been on a golf cart he'd have been in a car doing the same thing, its all part of living in a tourist area. I'll look for some of the threads on the subject.

**SHELLY** · 03-21-2012, 03:05 AM

I'm not a fan of the golf carts either--for all the reasons listed above and more.

You stated, "Just curious? what problems are golf carts causing?" ...allow me to make a suggestion:

Put a BIG, BRIGHT YELLOW sticker on the back of each golf cart that includes your personal cell phone number, an individual identification number for each cart, and the statement "HOW AM I DRIVING?"....then change your ringtone on your cellphone to something you like to boogie down to all night long.

**30A Skunkape** · 03-21-2012, 06:47 AM

I'm guessing it had alot to do with the golf cart signage, too. There was an epic thread on here about two years ago where a guy who owned an 'LSV' dealership went to the wall defending them against the masses that hate them. I can't find it, it may have been removed. At any rate, I agree in part with what Shelly is getting at-if there was an ID on the cart and the dealer's number visible on the thing, I would be making lots of calls. My opinion is that they are fine tooling around the side streets and neighborhoods, but once they make it onto the bike path (illegal, but present on most any day you care to spend enough time watching for it), congested areas like Seaside/Seagrove, 45MPH zones (illegal, but present on most days you care to spend enough time watching for it, especially between Watercolor and Grayton Corner and Grayton Corner to Redfish Village) the things are a menace. My perception is that the people who rent golf carts know damn well this kind of activity is the norm, in addition to the clown car-like stuffing of the things and operation of the vehicles by kids just out of diapers, and that the purveyors of the golf carts are simply giving the middle finger to their neighbors who are driven crazy by them from March to July.

**Jim Tucker** · 03-21-2012, 07:41 AM

The threads are easy to find just seach LSV's. I have changed my feelings somewhat. Now that they are everywhere, the debate about bringing them here is over. They are here to stay and will increase. We are getting more and more dealers and some may cut corners to compete. As long as a business owner is responsible then more power to them (Dean good luck).

There is a diff between golf carts and street legal carts. Stay away from renting the dinky ones that are too slow.

On a related note, how is it we have bike rentals on every corner now?

**30A Skunkape** · 03-21-2012, 10:26 AM

Originally Posted by jim45

The threads are easy to find just seach LSV's. I have changed my feelings somewhat. Now that they are everywhere, the debate about bringing them here is over. They are here to stay and will increase. We are getting more and more dealers and some may cut corners to compete. As long as a business owner is responsible then more power to them (Dean good luck).

There is a diff between golf carts and street legal carts. Stay away from renting the dinky ones that are too slow.

On a related note, how is it we have bike rentals on every corner now?

You can find a few dinky threads on the debate, but try as I may, I can't find the mother of them all...I think it was started by robertsondavies when the golf cart rental/sales business owners wanted to make ALL of 30-A less than 45mph. So they could sell/rent more of the damn things.

**ray** · 03-21-2012, 11:18 AM

wow over $700 for a week to rent. thats 1/2 the cost of someones vacation.this invites huge opp's to come in at $300 and still make money

**bobbob** · 03-21-2012, 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by 30A Skunkape

You can find a few dinky threads on the debate, but try as I may, I can't find the mother of them all...I think it was started by robertsondavies when the golf cart rental/sales business owners wanted to make ALL of 30-A less than 45mph. So they could sell/rent more of the damn things.

I searched for LSV's and came up with many threads. I believe the one you want is third:
http://www.sowal.com/bb/showthread.p...d-limit-on-30A

I recommend Jon and Tom Waldrop they have been around for a long time and support the community and are responsible http://sowal.com/business/electric-cart-company
They recently bought the old Coca Cola warehouse in DeFuniak Springs as part of their oiperation and rent all kinds of stuff.

**bobbob** · 03-21-2012, 12:14 PM

Originally Posted by ray

wow over $700 for a week to rent. thats 1/2 the cost of someones vacation.this invites huge opp's to come in at $300 and still make money

Families often spend well in excess of $10,000 for a week in SoWal.

**Beach Buggys** · 03-21-2012, 06:17 PM

Jim your right, the state of florida is a bit too relaxed when certifying a golf cart conversion to an LSV. the law states it needs to go a minimum of 20 and a maximum of 25mph. a standard golf cart goes between 12 and 14mph, and the upgrades necessary to reach the states speed requirements are quite expensive, close to 2,000 dollars if done right. I beleive a vehicle shouldn't be on the road if it can't meet the state requirements, not only because its illegal, but because its extremely dangerous to have a vehicle hobbling along at 12mph. at 23mph you can keep up with most traffic without slowing it up too much in a 35mph zone. And i still encourage my renters to pull over and let cars pass when i give my pre-rental tutorial.

ray, your right, i saw a few of the bigger companies charging that much, hard to believe that they can get any business with rates that high.

Originally Posted by jim45

The threads are easy to find just seach LSV's. I have changed my feelings somewhat. Now that they are everywhere, the debate about bringing them here is over. They are here to stay and will increase. We are getting more and more dealers and some may cut corners to compete. As long as a business owner is responsible then more power to them (Dean good luck).

There is a diff between golf carts and street legal carts. Stay away from renting the dinky ones that are too slow.

On a related note, how is it we have bike rentals on every corner now?

**Beach Buggys** · 03-21-2012, 06:28 PM

just to specify, all of my vehicles meet the states requirements, all average between 22 to 25mph. All saftey gear is checked to be working properly before we deliver a vehicle, before reading it on here i had no idea anyone disliked golf carts. I stand by my opinion, i think they are great vehicles and alot of fun if done right and not abused. I have seen several vehicles from other companies that i could not believe were allowed on the streets, there is no doubt there are some floating around where corners have been cut and these substandard vehicles are giving those of us doing it right a bad name.

**30A Skunkape** · 03-21-2012, 09:30 PM

Originally Posted by Beach Buggys

Jim your right, the state of florida is a bit too relaxed when certifying a golf cart conversion to an LSV. the law states it needs to go a minimum of 20 and a maximum of 25mph. a standard golf cart goes between 12 and 14mph, and the upgrades necessary to reach the states speed requirements are quite expensive, close to 2,000 dollars if done right. I beleive a vehicle shouldn't be on the road if it can't meet the state requirements, not only because its illegal, but because its extremely dangerous to have a vehicle hobbling along at 12mph. at 23mph you can keep up with most traffic without slowing it up too much in a 35mph zone. And i still encourage my renters to pull over and let cars pass when i give my pre-rental tutorial.

ray, your right, i saw a few of the bigger companies charging that much, hard to believe that they can get any business with rates that high.

**Beach Buggys** · 03-21-2012, 10:32 PM

True or False? Most 35 mph zones on 30A you will rarely reach 35mph. I ride 30A several times a day. Most areas are riddled with speed bumps, pedestrian crossings, bicyclists and slow traffic seeing the sights. the sections of roads that are 45mph are good stretches with not much happening. (where golf carts have no business) 35mph zones, no problem.

Originally Posted by 30A Skunkape

**Abby Prentiss** · 03-22-2012, 05:45 AM

Originally Posted by 30A Skunkape

**30A Skunkape** · 03-22-2012, 06:26 AM

Originally Posted by Beach Buggys

True or False? Most 35 mph zones on 30A you will rarely reach 35mph. I ride 30A several times a day. Most areas are riddled with speed bumps, pedestrian crossings, bicyclists and slow traffic seeing the sights. the sections of roads that are 45mph are good stretches with not much happening. (where golf carts have no business) 35mph zones, no problem.

False. I stay in Grayton and travel to the west end junction with HWY 98 daily. It is exceptional when someone is failing to maintain 35 MPH. Usually it is a snowbird or lost tourist. And I don't speed, either. In fact, it is usually the case that if I keep my cruise control on 35-38 someone is on my bumper.

**deborsk** · 03-23-2012, 12:11 PM

Last summer I called the company that rented a SLV to someone in my neighborhood--a 12-13 year old was cruising my street, more like taking the curves on 2 wheels and flying thru every stop sign to boot. After following him all over our neighborhood, I got the license #, rental co. and called to report it. They would give me no info, so I called the sheriff, gave him the info, and the local address of the person who rented the cart...the sheriff came, cited them and told them that the cart had to be returned to the rental place.
The problem is only going to get worse...again today, I passed another cart (this time the "limo" style one) on the bike path up around the old Eastern Lake Nursery property. I yelled, but they acted as though they didn't hear me. I now have the sheriff's office on speed dial!

**thisnthat** · 03-23-2012, 01:12 PM

Originally Posted by Beach Buggys

just to specify, all of my vehicles meet the states requirements, all average between 22 to 25mph. All saftey gear is checked to be working properly before we deliver a vehicle, before reading it on here i had no idea anyone disliked golf carts. I stand by my opinion, i think they are great vehicles and alot of fun if done right and not abused. I have seen several vehicles from other companies that i could not believe were allowed on the streets, there is no doubt there are some floating around where corners have been cut and these substandard vehicles are giving those of us doing it right a bad name.

That's all well and good for you, but you know you just can't fix stupid. You can inform your customers until you are blue in the face and still the majority will still do what they want when they want including letting a child drive a street legal beach buggy.

**John R** · 03-27-2012, 07:26 AM

Originally Posted by Beach Buggys

at 23mph you can keep up with most traffic without slowing it up too much in a 35mph zone.

23 is pretty far from 35. and as you are aware, 35 is actually 40+ on 30a

**tsutcli** · 03-27-2012, 04:40 PM

Is that 23 mph with a full load of people and their beach crap and a full battery charge???? What is the top speed when the battery is partially discharged, full load of adults and going up-hill? Thisnthat was right - you can't fix stupid and everyone knows tourists leave their brains and common sense at home when they come here - "I,m here on vacation and I'll do whatever I bleaping please." I saw one of your buggys on 30a the other day - 10 yr old driving, mom and dad in the rear facing seats. You would have thought that the "adults" would have at least had one of them in the shotgun seat in case an emergency occurred.
Oh on a related topic - got behind rollerbladers on 30a and had to slow to almost a stop until I could pass safely. Do we now have to share the road with them as well as the bikes and the LSV? Where will it stop?

**Zebraspots** · 03-27-2012, 05:08 PM

Watched a deputy stop traffic on 30A today so a teenager in a golfcart could leave the beach access and cross the road. Hope he got a ticket, but doubt it.

I think golf carts need to stay on golf courses.

**30A Skunkape** · 03-27-2012, 05:15 PM

True story-Sunday I'm heading west on 30-A in Blue Mountain/Dune Allen area. I come up behind a street legal golf cart on the long straight portion around Lake Allen and Oyster Lake. Road is empty, and indeed, the cart was going a brisk 23 MPH in a 35 MPH zone. I would have been perfectly within my right to pass this fellow, but he had his left turn signal on. So I followed him at the maddening pace long enough to figure out he had no clue the blinker was on. Finally, just as the cart's left turn signal went off, it was replaced by the right turn signal and he turned off to the right. Arrgghh! Yes, it did set me back 45 seconds which I will never recover and that makes me mad.

**30A Skunkape** · 03-27-2012, 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by Zebraspots

Watched a deputy stop traffic on 30A today so a teenager in a golfcart could leave the beach access and cross the road. Hope he got a ticket, but doubt it.

I think golf carts need to stay on golf courses.

I don't think it is illegal to cross a roadway that would otherwise be illegal for them to putt-putt around on.

**lenzoe** · 05-18-2012, 07:25 AM

Are the people that rent these things parking them around the neighborhood beach accesses? I could seem them parking at the public access with available parking, but I would think parking these at most of the neighborhood accesses would not be a good thing.

And if they use these to get people to/from Grayton, where are they parking them?

**Zebraspots** · 05-18-2012, 10:32 AM

Yes, they park them at the neighborhood accesses. Very annoying having to climb over a golf cart to get to the beach.

**lenzoe** · 05-18-2012, 12:08 PM

So is that considered legal, or is this another instance where the laws are ignored?

**Zebraspots** · 05-18-2012, 02:22 PM

It is not at all legal - not only is there not space to park them, in order to reach the access they have to drive a non-street legal cart on roads or down the multi-use path (where carts are also specifically prohibited) to get to the access.

But "legal" and "golf carts" are 2 concepts rarely combined except by the people selling or renting the damn things.

**thisnthat** · 05-19-2012, 04:18 AM

Originally Posted by 30A Skunkape

True story-Sunday I'm heading west on 30-A in Blue Mountain/Dune Allen area. I come up behind a street legal golf cart on the long straight portion around Lake Allen and Oyster Lake. Road is empty, and indeed, the cart was going a brisk 23 MPH in a 35 MPH zone. I would have been perfectly within my right to pass this fellow, but he had his left turn signal on. So I followed him at the maddening pace long enough to figure out he had no clue the blinker was on. Finally, just as the cart's left turn signal went off, it was replaced by the right turn signal and he turned off to the right. Arrgghh! Yes, it did set me back 45 seconds which I will never recover and that makes me mad.

Wow! I think I followed the same cart last night coming from 30A at Watersound (45 mph speed limit by the way) all the way to Seagrove with the left blinker on going 20 mph with people hanging off the back and it was swerving all over the road. Then suddenly, they turned off the road to the right, left blinker still on of course and went into a gated place. Welcome to idiot paradise.

**SHELLY** · 05-19-2012, 07:31 PM

First it was the year of "Trash on the Beach"
Next it was the year of "Plastic Toy Junk on the Beach"
Followed by the year of "Giant Holes on the Beach"
Then it was the year of "Tent Cities on the Beach"

Looks like 2012 is "Golf Carts at the Beach"

Need to start a new thread called: "Golf Cart Horror Stories"

In preparation for the upcoming season--just who should the attorneys contact to serve papers for wrongful injury/death & damage as a result of misuse of these vehicles?

**Bob Wells** · 05-20-2012, 06:22 AM

As I was leaving work yesterday, on Mack Bayou, I saw a golf cart with a license plate on it, don't know whether it was legal or not, it was riding on the south bound bike path going north bound which if it was legal the way it was being driven is not. Also folks tell your kids when an emergency vehicle approaches with lights, sirens and horns going please move to the right in stead of waiting to reach your turn. Oh that includes drivers of other vehicles too, it may be your house they are going to.

**Zebraspots** · 05-20-2012, 09:47 AM

Motorized vehicles are NOT allowed on the path.

**Jim Tucker** · 05-20-2012, 11:37 AM

Originally Posted by SHELLY

First it was the year of "Trash on the Beach"
Next it was the year of "Plastic Toy Junk on the Beach"
Followed by the year of "Giant Holes on the Beach"
Then it was the year of "Tent Cities on the Beach"

Looks like 2012 is "Golf Carts at the Beach"

Need to start a new thread called: "Golf Cart Horror Stories"

In preparation for the upcoming season--just who should the attorneys contact to serve papers for wrongful injury/death & damage as a result of misuse of these vehicles?

Otherwise known as white peoples' problems - WPP. Or for South Walton maybe RPP, rich peoples' problems.

Oh the horror.

**Beach Buggys** · 05-21-2012, 04:50 PM

these vehicles are legal anyway you look at it, tagged, insured, street legal, meet all of state of florida requirements and are legal by all standards. and they are no less annoying to "crawl over" than any other car or vehicle. they have every right to park these the same place you would park a car, apparantly some people have nothing better to do than sit around and figure out what to complain about next. These vehicles are a ton of fun, and more than 60% of my customers are senior citizens with mobility problems. some people, you could hand them a bag of gold and they would complain about how heavy it is.

Originally Posted by Zebraspots

It is not at all legal - not only is there not space to park them, in order to reach the access they have to drive a non-street legal cart on roads or down the multi-use path (where carts are also specifically prohibited) to get to the access.But "legal" and "golf carts" are 2 concepts rarely combined except by the people selling or renting the damn things.

jim, thanks for a reasonable outlook on things. Thats seems to be rare these days.

**thisnthat** · 05-21-2012, 05:09 PM

Originally Posted by Beach Buggys

these vehicles are legal anyway you look at it, tagged, insured, street legal, meet all of state of florida requirements and are legal by all standards. and they are no less annoying to "crawl over" than any other car or vehicle. they have every right to park these the same place you would park a car, apparantly some people have nothing better to do than sit around and figure out what to complain about next. These vehicles are a ton of fun, and more than 60% of my customers are senior citizens with mobility problems. some people, you could hand them a bag of gold and they would complain about how heavy it is.jim, thanks for a reasonable outlook on things. Thats seems to be rare these days.

Dean, again I say it is great that you are following the law and have these vehicles leagle. Again I say that you can't fix stupid. Once these people are out of your sight, all comon sense is gone. I have personally witnessed underaged children operating these vehicles and not just on side streets, but on 30A as well. Most likely these are not all of your vehicles and are privately owned, but that is not the issue. The issue is the unsafe operation of these vehicles on the streets. Someone is going to be seriously injured or killed one of these days. Sorry to say this but my opinion is the only way to stop these people form doing this is to ban these vehicles period. But as usual, the tourist is always right.

**SHELLY** · 05-22-2012, 01:29 AM

Originally Posted by Beach Buggys

these vehicles are legal anyway you look at it, tagged, insured, street legal, meet all of state of florida requirements and are legal by all standards. .

What type of document are the renters of golf carts required to sign? Does it allow children to drive these things on the roads? Does the insurance cover children who drive them on the roads? Who is liable if a child is driving one of these things and causes injury/death or damage? Will the insurance company pay out or will it say they're not responsible because the child wasn't covered and the company who rents them is liable? ...or will we just have to wait till summer is in full swing to find out?

**lenzoe** · 05-22-2012, 09:40 AM

Originally Posted by Beach Buggys

[...] they have every right to park these the same place you would park a car [...]

Sometimes people driving golf carts park them where you cannot legally park a car. Because of the carts' smaller size, some people think they can just park these where ever the things fit, including at beach accesses where there is no public parking. Just because these may be fun doesn't give people driving them the right to park in an entryway, or at the entrance to a beach access.

**thisnthat** · 05-22-2012, 08:52 PM

Originally Posted by SHELLY

What type of document are the renters of golf carts required to sign? Does it allow children to drive these things on the roads? Does the insurance cover children who drive them on the roads? Who is liable if a child is driving one of these things and causes injury/death or damage? Will the insurance company pay out or will it say they're not responsible because the child wasn't covered and the company who rents them is liable? ...or will we just have to wait till summer is in full swing to find out?

Well said. Thank you.

**Beach Buggys** · 05-23-2012, 02:41 PM

I could sit here and create a million scenerios or "what ifs" on any vehicle on the streets, I knew a lady who fell off a bicycle at low speed with a helmet on and died from the injuries. Does that mean we should ban bicycles? I don't think so. If illegal acts are made on a low speed vehicle, law enforcement should ticket them just like they would anyone else, I see cars speeding on 30A all the time, should we ban cars? of course not. If you don't like the idea of putting up with tourists move to canada.

**NotDeadYet** · 05-23-2012, 04:01 PM

They don't have tourists in Canada?

Geez, I didn't know that.

You learn something new every day!

**thisnthat** · 05-23-2012, 04:44 PM

Originally Posted by Beach Buggys

I could sit here and create a million scenerios or "what ifs" on any vehicle on the streets, I knew a lady who fell off a bicycle at low speed with a helmet on and died from the injuries. Does that mean we should ban bicycles? I don't think so. If illegal acts are made on a low speed vehicle, law enforcement should ticket them just like they would anyone else, I see cars speeding on 30A all the time, should we ban cars? of course not. If you don't like the idea of putting up with tourists move to canada.

Oh yaw, Canada is nice you know. Dean, yes there are always what ifs out there. But you still seem to be avoiding the issue of responding to actually what are the requirements of operating these vehicles. Is there an age limit? What does the insurance cover if there is an accident? Who is responsible if the insurance doesn't cover it? Please enlighten us.

**Beach Buggys** · 05-24-2012, 05:25 AM

By Law any driver has to have a valid drivers license, and abide by the same laws that apply to cars. and as per my contract all drivers must be listed on the contract and must be 21 years old. And if you see otherwise our toll free number goes directly to mine or my partners personal cell, if we recieve a call we will informing us otherwise we will take action. All of our vehicles have above the florida required limits of PIP ( personal Injury Protection)

**PJJ** · 05-24-2012, 09:19 AM

This is reminiscent of the shops that sell bongs and pipes with "FOR TOBACCO USE ONLY" signs.

**mputnal3** · 05-24-2012, 02:08 PM

New concept: Maybe 30A needs an ordinance with signage stating what is allowed regarding golf carts and bicycles using the road (not the bike path). Maybe the TDC could use some of their wisdom (and money) to help solve these problems. Hopefully we have the insight that allows us to realize it is a problem before a tragic incident. Both bicycles and golf carts slow down our delivery times but I am not complaining at all. The problem comes with the territory (tourism). I believe the TDC needs to take some responsibility with problems like this. Again, I am not complaining, just sayin...

**Zebraspots** · 05-24-2012, 03:20 PM

Signs have no effect and just add clutter. We already have too many signs.

There are signs all up and down the multi-use path saying "no motorized vehicles allowed" but golf carts are a daily sight - as are cars parked on it and in other "no parking" locations. The mail delivery vehicle drives down the path daily.

The only true solution is to crack down on violators. Tickets and fines are the only things that make people pay attention.