Hands Across the Sand-Join us to stop near shore Oil Drilling In Florida Waters

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  1. John R

    John R needs to get out more

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    Porn's good for you. Potential oil spills from near shore drilling in the gulf, killing the beaches we all make our money from is bad for you.
     
  2. gulf angel

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    I agree with the lady that wrote drill baby drill. The biggest reason is because Florida needs jobs. Good jobs that the offshore maritime industry will bring. Also if platforms are installed they will become great habitats for aquatic marine life. This will be beneficial to the local recreational fishing and diving industry. The research and development of natural gas exploration does not automatically equal bad effects on the environment. The EPA and ABS both have much higher standards than they did just a few years ago.

    Readers please, do your research and consider the incentives to those conducting the studies and then research those incentives and then you have only begun to scratch the surface of the truth.

    Too many people post thier emotions on here and share incomplete information. Also alot of people posting have already retired or have already made thier money and want to close the door. This is a shame because the environment doesnt have to be damaged to utilize the natural gas and other precious resources the GOM has to offer.
     
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  3. Matt J

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    Ah, the false promise of jobs. This thing is being pushed through so fast I'm sure they'll slow down after it's passed to train the locals. :roll:

    Most of the jobs you speak of will be imported and the few remaining ones will be extremely dangerous and low paying. If you're looking for short term and low pay we already have those. This is not a viable long term solution to employment as the drilling would probably last less than a decade at best.

    We already have artificial reefs that are inert sunken boats, old bridges, etc. Why do we need one that is a ticking time bomb?
     
  4. Teresa

    Teresa SoWal Guide Staff Member

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    Hands Across the Sand t-shirts

    Hands Across the Sand t-shirts available now!

    $10 per shirt
    adult sizes: small, medium, large and xlarge

    pick up t-shirts here:

    Seaside Farmer's Market
    Saturdays 9am - 1pm
    Jan 30, Feb 6, Feb 13


    Grayton General Store
    corner of County Scenic Hwy 30A & County Hwy 283
    Suite 200 (second floor office)
    available at this location on Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday - 1pm - 4pm for the next few weeks.



    the tshirt is black with the official Hands Across the Sand design:

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    wear your official Hands Across the Sand t-shirt to the beach on Feb 13!

    see Hands Across the Sand for more information on the Feb 13th statewide event against pending Florida legislation to drill for oil in our coastal waters.
     
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  5. 30A Television

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  6. Dave Rauschkolb

    Dave Rauschkolb Beach Fanatic

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    A long list

    Speaking to your last point...I believe the list might be a very long one. From Pensacola to Key West and Miami to Jacksonville.

    DR


     
  7. Camellia

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    Oil Drilling Forum

    Just a reminder, on behalf of SWCC, the OIL DRILLING FORUM is this week, Thursday, February 4, at 5:00 in the South Walton High School auditorium.
    Please spread the news.
     
  8. scooterbug44

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    Bump - meeting is tomorrow (Thursday)! :wave:
     
  9. Andy A

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    I suggest that all owning "Hands Across the Sand" tee shirts wear them to the meeting tonight. Also, somewhere along the line I heard the time had been changed to six o'clock to accomodate those working folk. Someone please confirm the five o'clock starting time.
     
  10. scooterbug44

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    How do we find out if the time has changed?
     
  11. Smiling JOe

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    If you go at the posted time of 5pm, you won't be late. I've read of no changes in time, except in Andy's post above. Hands Across the Sand FB page still says 5pm-630pm.
     
  12. scooterbug44

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    Yeah - I haven't been able to find any time changes so am assuming time has NOT changed - nothing in the paper, no answer at the Biophilia center or via email. :idontno:
     
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    Wont be able to make it as i wanted to...will someone be so kind as to post a summary here tonight?
     
  14. 30A Skunkape

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    Here now. Look up the term 'sacrificial beach'!!
     
  15. Matt J

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    Until some rambling loon got up to rail about Venezuela it seemed to be a very civil and informed presentation.
     
  16. scooterbug44

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    Interesting and informative event - and was very glad to see people were well behaved - no shouting out or heckling or cell phones ringing.

    After attending I am even more convinced that drilling in our Gulf is a truly horrible idea.

    On one side you have the oil company lobbyist (not the promoted speaker because that guy had to be in Tally for meetings which tells you they aren't tabling this issue) who disregards recent spills & accidents and continues to tout technology as the reason why it won't happen in the future (the other panelists actually took turns completely refuting this BTW), and who can tell us exactly how many jobs, benefits, and millions of barrels we can potentially get - but is stumped and refers to the need for seismic research when questioned as to when these jobs will materialize, when oil will actually go to market, how many platforms there will be, if it will effect prices etc.

    On the other you have a former military man and consultant who actually trains people how to clean up the spills (and still has oil under his nails 'cuz that sheet don't ever go away) and an environmentalist who did a good job of restraining himself while Sr. Oil was lying and wasting time to cut off questions.

    I know this synopsis sounds one sided, but that is only (I made a huge effort to be open-minded and didn't even put my name on the list for questions) because the different arguments presented were overwhelmingly in favor of NOT DRILLING.

    The biggest item I came away with was that allowing drilling in state waters is really just the stepping stone to opening up the federal waters. Oil companies are not throwing millions and lobbyists at this because they want to drill 2-10 miles offshore. They are doing it because if they open up these waters, they can get the 10-100 mile range.

    And while folks may be tempted to vote because they are desperate for jobs, please remember that not only are those jobs unlikely to materialize, we will be losing tourism and military jobs on an epic scale. Much of the value of our current bases is that we can test military tech there - and if we open these areas for drilling much of our bases' value goes away - not to mention how real estate and tourism will plummet once we have oil rigs on the horizon and tar balls on our once white beaches.

    Was very proud of some fellow Sowallers who brought up points I hadn't yet considered - like what happens to the rigs & infrastructure once they aren't producing oil.

    It is very telling that noone who has worked on a rig or lived in a state that allows drilling thinks this is a good idea. I am very used to differing opinions and people arguing, but the opinions I am hearing are very consistent - even though the people I am hearing them from are incredibly diverse.
     
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    Holy Crap ScooterBug...that was one of..and I mean top 3 of all time that Ive ever seen, pieces of non judgmental, great writing and coverage of an event....wow...
     
  18. Matt J

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    Just to clarify, and I would like to thank Eric Draper for pointing this out, is that we are literally betting the house on a very short gain.

    In 2007 the US was using 20,680,000 barrels per day. That's each and every day.

    Oil consumption (most recent) by country

    The current projected oil reserves off the coast of Florida that are currently protected are, according to Fox News, between 16 and 21 billion barrels. Oddly the number given at tonight's forum was 150 million and went undisputed by the oil lobbyist. Even if the estimate of 21 billion barrels of oil is correct and we ceased purchasing oil from any other country we would be completely out of oil in about 2 years and 10 months. Since the lower figure went unchallenged then we would be out of oil in just over a week.
     
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    Thanks for the reports - keep it coming guys.


    Off Shore Drilling Public Forum
     
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    http://skytruth.mediatools.org/sites/default/files/photo_import/1904/935/11938-lg.jpg

    This is a picture of the oil spills after Katrina. Over 741,000 gallons spilled from 124 reported offshore sources. (An additional 7-9 million gallons were spilled onshore from refineries, pipelines, and storage tanks).

    Please note that these were all rigs, wells, and pipelines that had been "properly" shut down prior to the storm.

    As Mr. McLain stated, regulations* do NOT require that they purge the pieplines - so they don't because it is expensive. The pipes are still full of oil and when they break they spill all the oil in a matter of hours and this is the result.

    Please also note than many offshore drilling proponents (including the Secretary of Energy) also publicly stated "not a single drop of oil was spilled" during either Rita or Katrina.

    *A big issue is that Florida does not currently have any rules and regulations about drilling.
     
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