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woodworker

Beach Lover
Jan 26, 2008
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Funny thing is it would seem that the system of government most similar to Darwinism would be pure capitalism without any government interference. Capitalism is based on individualism, selfishness, and survival of the fittest. The foundations of Christianity would seem least likely to give rise to capitalism since it places so much emphasis on altruism and self-sacrifice. Sounds like socialism to me. As for me I'll take Darwinian capitalism wit a few important caveats any day.

o.k. - you're dismissed. :lol:

Don't forget to fill out SWGB's political party survey! :wave:
 

GoodWitch58

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Oct 10, 2005
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Woodworker,
I am reading Goodwitch's reply to you as- "you are not speaking for me" on the issue of religion in schools. Or in other words- "I do not agree with you so pls don't lump me in as having the same political belief solely because I am a 'believer' ".

But yet your posts suggest to me that you believe the two of you are in agreement.

Thank you Geo. I can not determine if WW is deliberately misunderstanding or really doesn't understand that "you are not speaking for me" and "I do not agree with you" is exactly what I was saying..

I have been consistent from the beginning...but my message hasn't gotten through...:dunno:
 

woodworker

Beach Lover
Jan 26, 2008
156
32
SRB
Woodworker,
I am reading Goodwitch's reply to you as- "you are not speaking for me" on the issue of religion in schools. Or in other words- "I do not agree with you so pls don't lump me in as having the same political belief solely because I am a 'believer' ".

But yet your posts suggest to me that you believe the two of you are in agreement.

Wha? Do you mean my reply to Goodwitch, or Goodwitch's reply to me(as you stated)?

I don't remember Goodwitch saying she(assumed) was a "believer".

I think I was just asking if Goodwitch remembered if any of her kin were bothered by prayer in school.

Remember - I'm not an advocate of group prayer during class. If that goes on everyday, I can see where that would make the devil worshipers and such real angry. But, I don't think you can deny a child or valedictorian their right to pray. If a devil worshiper becomes valedictorian, then they can pray to the devil! Probably won't go over very well, though.
 

LuciferSam

Banned
Apr 26, 2008
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That's not what Darwin thought. Is this what you're trying to say? -

"The concept Darwin had with survival of the fittest can't be disassociated from natural selection and artificial selection.....



It should be emphasized that there is no real difference in the genetic processes underlying artificial and natural selection, and that the concept of artificial selection was first introduced by Charles Darwin as an illustration of the wider process of natural selection. The selection process is termed "artificial" when human preferences or influences have a significant effect on the evolution of a particular population or species. Indeed, many evolutionary biologists view domestication as a type of natural selection and adaptive change that occurs as organisms are brought under the control of human beings."

Thats just wikipedia, I didn't look into it too much. I can't imagine what happens when this info gets into a child's brain. Probably bounces around for a while, then shoots out of his ear! Leaves a few dents in there too! "

Artificial selection is a human contrivance that models natural selection as the article implies. The only difference is the fitness crtiteria which is premeditated. Artificial selection is not the basis for natural selction as you have implied. If anything it's the other way around.






And if the "vast majority of evolution and natural selection occurred with non-human organisms" than why are we more, um, evolved?

From now on, you need to say -

"The vast majority of evolution and natural selection and artificial selection occurred with human organisms." "

No, come on think for a second! Think about the incredible amount of mutation and natural selection that occurred just going from the one celled organism to the fruit fly. Think about all the life forms on earth and from a naturalistic point of view we are insignificant. We are at the tail end of the evoulutionary chain.


I mean, we've obviously "bypassed" the monkeys, since we lost our tails and drive cars and build skyscrapers and stuff. And whats the difference between human organisms and non-human organisms? (ask Hitler-he knows;-)) Didn't we all come from the same gene puddle?"

Yep and the monkey obviously bypassed the fruit fly.


I'll admit to ya - this evolution stuff is pretty confusing to me! Especially when people like you try to "help"; then it gets really muddled up!


Maybe you should get some more help from the "experts".

I understand your insecurity. It's time for you to stop hating the messenger and start hating your lack of knowledge.
 

woodworker

Beach Lover
Jan 26, 2008
156
32
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Thank you Geo. I can not determine if WW is deliberately misunderstanding or really doesn't understand that "you are not speaking for me" and "I do not agree with you" is exactly what I was saying..

I have been consistent from the beginning...but my message hasn't gotten through...:dunno:

Gotcha (I think?).

I had never assumed you were "in agreement with me". Hint - you're name tipped me off.:lol:

I was just asking a question about your kin -
 

woodworker

Beach Lover
Jan 26, 2008
156
32
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Artificial selection is a human contrivance that models natural selection as the article implies. The only difference is the fitness crtiteria which is premeditated. Artificial selection is not the basis for natural selction as you have implied. If anything it's the other way around.








No, come on think for a second! Think about the incredible amount of mutation and natural selection that occurred just going from the one celled organism to the fruit fly. Think about all the life forms on earth and from a naturalistic point of view we are insignificant. We are at the tail end of the evoulutionary chain.




Yep and the monkey obviously bypassed the fruit fly.




I understand your insecurity. It's time for you to stop hating the messenger and start hating your lack of knowledge.

o.k. - I believe I've (you've) made my point. And, admittedly, I can't fathom the "incredible amount of mutation" part -

I got faith, brother, but it ain't nearly as strong as your faith, if you know what I mean!
 

GoodWitch58

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Oct 10, 2005
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Gotcha (I think?).

I had never assumed you were "in agreement with me". Hint - you're name tipped me off.:lol:

-

Well, I guess you don't get the literature reference either...:dunno:
 

LuciferSam

Banned
Apr 26, 2008
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o.k. - I believe I've (you've) made my point. And, admittedly, I can't fathom the "incredible amount of mutation" part -

I got faith, brother, but it ain't nearly as strong as your faith, if you know what I mean!

Really, well can you fathom the incredible amount of incremental change that occurs going from fertilized egg to full blown human, or are you going to deny the fact of human reproduction?
 

Teresa

SoWal Guide
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Nov 15, 2004
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Thank you Geo. I can not determine if WW is deliberately misunderstanding or really doesn't understand that "you are not speaking for me" and "I do not agree with you" is exactly what I was saying..

I have been consistent from the beginning...but my message hasn't gotten through...:dunno:

GW - your message is perfectly understood by me and most here, whether we agree or we don't. you write very well and with much respect to all. don't get discouraged. :wave:
 
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