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poppy

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Sep 10, 2008
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Some of us believe that "doing the right ting, being kind and just, teaching your children respect and appreciation for others", etc. doesn't equate to believing in exactly the same values as so called progressives. Some of the progressives on this very forum ridicule those of us who are Christians or of some other faith and make fun of our traditional values. I've never displayed the Confederate battle flag but I'm not offended by it. On the other hand I'm offended by attempts to erase history and the desecration of historic sites and the graves of historic figues in the South. But of course, what offends me and some other southerners doesn't count. And BTW, I'm one of those "racists" who supports Ben Carson for president.
Who is trying or even suggesting we erase history?
 

Cuff

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Danny, since you are so good at researching please let us know why Jefferson Davis was captured wearing his wife's clothes. My point is that neither Professor Ortiz's or Jefferson Davis's leanings amount to a hill of beans in whether that symbol of human bondage should fly on publicly owned property.
 

poppy

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Fascist and Socialist in the same sentence? They are each other's worst enemies.
 

Teresa

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Some of us believe that "doing the right ting, being kind and just, teaching your children respect and appreciation for others", etc. doesn't equate to believing in exactly the same values as so called progressives. Some of the progressives on this very forum ridicule those of us who are Christians or of some other faith and make fun of our traditional values. I've never displayed the Confederate battle flag but I'm not offended by it. On the other hand I'm offended by attempts to erase history and the desecration of historic sites and the graves of historic figues in the South. But of course, what offends me and some other southerners doesn't count. And BTW, I'm one of those "racists" who supports Ben Carson for president.

Everyone is welcome to share their opinions. To do so while respecting other opinions is apparently quite impossible for some. Your statements reflect on no one but yourself.
 

Teresa

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You and I have taken a lot of time out of our day(s) to have an opinion about this. Mr. Ortiz is not more or less than any other person with a desire to express their opinion. Yes, he is educated in history but I do not think he has talked to one Walton County citizen with a history in this county. If I am wrong about this then I hope that he will correct me.

This whole thing to remove the flag has simply missed the chance to discuss human behavioral problems. This whole discussion is really about something else entirely. It is a chance for some to use a tragedy to somehow support their idealism or prejudice against another group of people. I think this country is divided not so much by North or South but by Liberal and Conservative. Every day they grow farther and farther apart. I try to stay in the middle but I admit to being drawn in by just shear emotional reaction to what I believe to be right. Humans are flawed and it seems that politics have figured out how to use that to their advantage. We need a Moderate Political Party but true moderate thinkers are hard to find. If I could just understand why you posted Mr. Ortiz's letter or why you applaud him so much I just might vote for you.

Mput.. You don't have to like the letter. I didn't applaud it, though I appreciated it. I shared it. It was addressed to the Walton County BCC as a result of locals petition as mentioned at the very first part of this thread. Very relevant. But you need not love it. I get it. Promise.

This issue has always been near and dear to my heart.
 

mputnal

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Nov 10, 2009
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Cuff, do you know any humans that were "bondaged" by the Confederate Flag? Many Southerners fly that flag to memorialize Confederate Soldiers or represent Southern Traditions that has NOTHING to do with racism or slavery and EVERYTHING to do with respect for hard work and strong family values. Why is that so hard to accept? How is that flag hurting you? Each time someone misrepresents the Confederate flag as a symbol for slavery and racism it just awakens the Spirit of the South because we know it is NOT true. Out of respect for African Americans I personally would remove the flag from the courthouse but I will fully support and respect Walton County if they choose not to. Also, because I am determined to support Southern Traditions in the wake of all this political hypocrisy I have just purchased two Confederate Flags that I will fly proudly on my property.
 

Danny Glidewell

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Mar 26, 2008
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Fascist and Socialist in the same sentence? They are each other's worst enemies.

Poppy, the Nazi Party was officially the National Socialist German Workers Party. Mussolini's party was the National Fascist Party. They were allies, hardly each other's worst enemy. Fascism and communism both promote the state at the expense of the individual. Socialism is a cousin. Anarchy is the exact opposite, promoting the individual at the expense of the state. Libertarian is a cousin.
 
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