Hurricane Katrina - IV

[aquaticbiology]

geotube video :rofl: :laughing1

well I laughed anyway

 

[wetwilly]

Saw the geotupe video. Brad Pikel did not completely slam them but he did indicate that this storm (Katrina) was probably not the best test case because for the most for the SoWal area it was appeared to be a "net positive" storm that deposited more sand on the beach than it took away. IMO it was not a storm that hit close enough to SoWal to cause the kind of surge that would be a good test for these mud filled tubes. Sounds like the threat of the tube breaking open and spilling brown sand onto the beach and the tube material floating or strewn on the beach after it comes apart.

Additionally, from what I heard, the story said "one Walton County man may have found a solution...." not that "Walton County" may have found a solution. I know people that are gulf front are trying to save their homes but these don't appear to have enough field testing under extreme, strenuous conditions IMO.

Did Lee Perry "invent" these things? Cuz that is what the reporter indicated?

 

[Moondance]

Saw the geotupe video. Brad Pikel did not completely slam them but he did indicate that this storm (Katrina) was probably not the best test case because for the most for the SoWal area it was appeared to be a "net positive" storm that deposited more sand on the beach than it took away. IMO it was not a storm that hit close enough to SoWal to cause the kind of surge that would be a good test for these mud filled tubes. Sounds like the threat of the tube breaking open and spilling brown sand onto the beach and the tube material floating or strewn on the beach after it comes apart.

Additionally, from what I heard, the story said "one Walton County man may have found a solution...." not that "Walton County" may have found a solution. I know people that are gulf front are trying to save their homes but these don't appear to have enough field testing under extreme, strenuous conditions IMO.

Did Lee Perry "invent" these things? Cuz that is what the reporter indicated?

Here is a Summary of a study of "beach armoring" which employed a similar geo-tube product (thanks to Richard for the original post on another thread):

thread link: http://www.sowal.com/bb/showthread.php?p=14491#post14491
attachment - full 14 page .pdf report: http://www.sowal.com/bb/attachment.php?attachmentid=138

4.2 ? Summary
[font=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]In April of 2003 a [/font][font=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]ProTecTube III [/font][font=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]dune stabilization system was installed in front of five (5) beachfront homes located on White Sands Drive [edit: not Gulf Trace], Cape San Blas, Gulf County, Florida. This system was placed along the shoreline and subsequently hit by Hurricane Ivan approximately 17 months after installation in September 2004. Consequently, the FDEP was asked to make a determination of the viability of the [/font][font=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]ProTecTube III [/font][font=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]system. Research efforts revealed a lack of quantitative data available for the evaluation. As a result, the majority of the data available to conduct this evaluation was qualitative.

During this 17 month period the [/font][font=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]ProTecTube III [/font][font=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]system did not encountered storm conditions from a 5 to 10 year storm tide event for which it was designed. As such, the system has not been tested against design conditions. Notwithstanding, the performance of the [/font][font=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]ProTecTube III [/font][font=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]system can be evaluated for storm events encountered during the 2004 hurricane season, Tropical Storm Bonnie, and Hurricanes Frances and Ivan.

Following Hurricane Ivan, the [/font][font=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]ProTecTube III [/font][font=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]caused the formation of a ridge and runnel system between the sand-filled containers and homes. This feature caused an abnormal swash pattern by trapping water in the structures lee creating a shoreline parallel scour trench. This resulted in increased vertical profile change and greater erosion damage in the lee of the [/font][font=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]ProTecTube III[/font][font=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]. Overall approximately 35-45 ft. of shoreline retreat resulted from the impact of Hurricane Ivan, with similar losses were observed along the adjacent beaches. The [/font][font=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]ProTecTube III [/font][font=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]system is not designed to protect against hurricanes and did not prevent erosion losses during Hurricane Ivan.

Both ends of the [/font][font=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]ProTecTube III [/font][font=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]were flanked resulting in increased erosion and scalloping as a result of Hurricane Ivan. Outside the vicinity of these flanked zones, the dunes returned to a position consistent with that of the adjacent shoreline. Based on available data for the study, the beach in the area of the [/font][font=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]ProTecTube III [/font][font=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]system did not fair any better than properties adjacent to the project site.

[/font][font=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]White Sands Project - Evaluation Report [/font][font=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]12

The ProTecTube III system did not sustain any physical damage resulting from Tropical Storm Bonnie and Hurricanes Frances and Ivan. The system did not appear to be twisted, ripped or deformed in any way following the storm events. Evidence of damage to other coastal armoring structures in the project region was observed, while the ProTecTube III system remained intact and undamaged.

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[Smiling JOe]

[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Hurricane Katrina eyewall images taken on Sunday, Aug. 28, 2005, during a NOAA P-3 hurricane hunter flight at the time the storm was a Category Five hurricane. Please credit ?NOAA.?

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[BeachDreamer]

Amazing pictures!

 

[Smiling JOe]

How are these people surviving in the extremely hot attics? The attics must be 120+ degrees.

 

[Miss Kitty]

How are these people surviving in the extremely hot attics? The attics must be 120+ degrees.

I fear they are not surviving, SJ.

 

[Miss Kitty]

I hope everyone has heard Lt. General Honore of the Army (he is from LA) and his very common sense explanation on the effects of Katrina. I have been waiting for someone of good reputation to step up and really explain the exact timeline of this storm...he does. This storm was so far reaching and caused so much destruction the day of the hit and of course the next day when the levee broke. The news media (some of them) are so desperate to find someone to blame they just about cut him off. No doubt there will be questions and lessons learned from this, but we need to remember to get all the facts...even though that is hard when we see and hear the tragic stories unfold. God Bless America.

 

[Kurt]

I hope everyone has heard Lt. General Honore of the Army (he is from LA) and his very common sense explanation on the effects of Katrina. I have been waiting for someone of good reputation to step up and really explain the exact timeline of this storm...he does. This storm was so far reaching and caused so much destruction the day of the hit and of course the next day when the levee broke. The news media (some of them) are so desperate to find someone to blame they just about cut him off. No doubt there will be questions and lessons learned from this, but we need to remember to get all the facts...even though that is hard when we see and hear the tragic dtories unfold. God Bless America.

Mayor Nagin the other day said Bush had done one thing right - he sent a John Wayne guy down here (Honore) who got off the plane cussing at eveyone to get moving.