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Smiling JOe

SoWal Expert
Nov 18, 2004
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"There is probably no custom more
universal, more natural or more ancient,
on the sea-coasts, not only of the United
S t a t e s , b u t of the world, than t h a t of
bathing in the s a l t waters of the ocean
and the enjoyment of the wholesome recreation
incident thereto. The lure of the
ocean is universal; t o battle with its
refreshing breakers a delight. Many are
they who have felt t h e l i f e g i v i n g touch
of its healing waters and its clear dustfree
a i r . Appearing constantly to change,
it remains ever e s s e n t i a l l y t h e same.
"

-- From the FL Supreme Court -- White vs Hughes 1939
 

seacrestkristi

Beach Fanatic
Nov 27, 2005
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I just read Lola's post. I'm glad you stood up for your rights gull. No one owns the beach. That greedy family. This is just another reason why i THINK IT WAS GREEDY TO BUILD RIGHT ON THE BEACH ANY WAY. Whoever started that started the greed. Why mess up the view for everybody because you want a view. Get your butt out and look at the view like everybody else friend. Oooh sorry. I got carried away.GREED KILLS. :cuss: :cuss: :cuss: I can't believe people actually were greedy enough to build homes on the tiny strips of land between a coatal dune lake and the Gulf. :bang: They must have a gorgeous view, greedy b@$!@^&$!!! Who cares about everyone, including Mother Nature, else's view of a spectacular feat of nature. Let's just build all over it. How did that sheeet get passed. :dunno: :dunno: :dunno: Ridunkulous :bang: :bang: :bang: I think I learned that word from NoHall. :bow: Sinful :pissed: :pissed: :pissed: and yeah I like smileys, so what ...:wave: ;-)
 
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BlueMtnBeachVagrant

Beach Fanatic
Jun 20, 2005
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I think it would also be difficult to prove the exact location where the supposed tresspassers were standing. Furthermore, it would be difficult to prove if they were standing on wet sand vs dry sand. What moisture content would consititute "wet" sand? Also, since removing sand from the beach is against Walton County Code of Ordinances, would either party be able to remove the sand from which they stand to bring to court, or be held as evidence by the Sheriff's Deputy? What if I throw a bucket of water on the sand? Is it then considered wet? How long after a wave washes on shore, is it still considered wet? Too many unanswered questions.
Cop: "My radar gun shows you doing 89 mph."
SJ : "No sir, I was definitely not speeding!! Your gun must not be properly calibrated."
Cop looking at radar, "Shows here it was calibrated this morning."
SJ: "Well it wasn't me, it must have been the guy next to me."
Cop: "He was doing 55."
SJ: "Then how do you know it wasn't that rock in the road that my car kicked up and triggered your radar."
Cop: "License and registration."
 

Smiling JOe

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Nov 18, 2004
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It gets more interesting. From the FL Supreme Court:

It is possible for the public to acquire an easement in
the beaches of the State by the finding of a prescriptive r i g h t
t o the beach land. Citv of M i a m i Beach v. Undercliff R e a l t y &
Investment Co., 155 Pla. 805, 21 So.2d 783 (1945), and Citv of
Miami Beach v. M i a m i Beach Improvement Co., 153 Fla. 107, 14
So.2d 172 (1943). However, in both of the cases cited above
and relied upon by the District Court of Appeal, F i r s t D i s t r i c t ,
i n the case sub iudice, t h i s Court declined to find such prescriptive
r i g h t i n the public because of the absence of an adverse
nature in t h e p u b l i c ' s use of private beach land.


This Court in C i t v of M i a m i Beach v. Undercliff Realty
& Investment Co., supra, said:
"It is true t h a t i n the e a r l i e r days preceding
the remarkable development of M i a m i
Beach, when it had a small population, many
persons used the beach for bathing, sunning
and other recreational purposes. The fact
that the upland owners did not prevent or
object to such use is not s u f f i c i e n t to show
t h a t the use was adverse or under a claim of
right. It has not been shown t h a t there has
been an open, notorious, continuous and uninterrupted
use of the beach by the public,
in derogation of the upland p r o p r i e t o r s '
r i g h t s , for a period of twenty years, or for
any period." 2 1 So.2d 783, p. 786.


T h i s Court in Downins vI B i r d , 100 So.2d 57 (Fla. 1958),
set forth the test f o r r i g h t of access by prescription:
"In e i t h e r prescription or adverse possession,
the r i g h t is acquired only by actual,
continuous, uninterrupted use by the claimant
of the lands of another, for a prescribed
period. In addition the use must be adverse
under claim of riqht and must e i t h e r be with
the knowledge of the owner or so open, notorious,
and v i s i b l e t h a t knowledge of the use
by and adverse claim of the claimant is imputed
to the owner. In both r i g h t s the use
or possession must be inconsistent with the
owner's use and eniovment of his lands and
gust not be a permissive use, for the use
must be such that the owner has a r i g h t t o
a legal action t o stop it, such as an action
for t r e s p a s s o r ejectment.
"Further in e i t h e r prescription or adverse
possession, the use or possession is presumed
to be i n subordination t o the t i t l e of the
t r u e owner, and with his Permission and the
burden is on the claimant to prove t h a t the
use or possession is adverse." (Emphasis
supplied.) (p. 64)


If the use of an alleged easement is not exclusive and
not inconsistent with the r i g h t s of the owner of the land to
its use and enjoyment, kt would be presumed that such use is
permissive rather than adverse. Hence, such use w i l l never
ripen into easement. This principle was recognized i n J. C.
Vereen & Sons v. Hauser, 123 Fla. 641, 167 So. 45 (1936), where
t h i s Court quoted with approval from Jesse French Piano ti Orqan
Co. v. Forbes, 129 A l a . 471, 29 So. 683, 685, 87 Am,St.Rep. 71,
as follows:

"NO easement can be acquired when the use is
by express or implied permission, . . . The
user or enjoyment of the r i g h t claimed, in
order to become an easement by prescription,
must have been adverse to the owner of the
e s t a t e over which the easement is claimed,
under a claim of r i g h t , exclusive, continuous,
and uninterrupted, and with the knowledge and
stance always considered is whether the u s e r
is aqainst the i n t e r e s t of the party sufferins
it, or injurious to him. There must be
an invasion of the partv's r i s h t , for, unless
one loses somethins, the other sains nothinq."
(Emphasis supplied.) (p. 47)
 

sunspotbaby

SoWal Insider
Mar 31, 2006
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Santa Rosa Beach
... and just what is the law in this case? I think there are opposing views on the laws, especially since the public has used the beach without anyone defending it as their own, up until this year. The law may not read as clearly as a deed.


This incident makes me want to bring about 400 of my closest friends and set up on the beach in front of the property where this took place.

Where do we meet????
 

Smiling JOe

SoWal Expert
Nov 18, 2004
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From Tona-Rama (FL Supreme Court)

from the Court:
"The land in question is a parcel of white, powdery sand
running between the hard-packed driving surface of Daytona Beach
and the existing seawalls. By stipulation of the parties, the
land is above the normal high water mark and would be subject to
being covered by the w a t e r s of t h e A t l a n t i c Ocean only during
hurricanes or extremely high tides.

We recognize the propriety of protecting the public interest
in, and r i g h t to u t i l i z a t i o n of, the beaches and oceans of
the State of Florida. No part of Florida is more exclusively
hers, nor more properly u t i l i z e d by her people than her beaches.
And the right of the public of access to, and enjoyment of, Florida's
oceans and beaches has long been recognized by t h i s Court."
 

kittyness

Beach Comber
May 10, 2007
27
1
Cypress, TX
I'm a long-time lurker and I don't say much but this has really struck a nerve with me! I'm admittedly uneducated on this subject but I tend to follow the Laws of Common Sense. As such, here are my thoughts.

I really don't understand why this is so complicated. The beach is for everyone to enjoy. Last I checked, no human created it. Depending on your deity/lack thereof, perhaps we should put up a sign on all beaches world-wide that says "Private Property - Owned by God/Allah/Mother Earth. No tresspassing." No one can "own" the beach. If I fish from a public beach but the fish previously swam through a privately-owned space, can I eat it for dinner or do I leave it at the doorstep of the property owner?

Sure, you don't want punks defacing your property. I understand that. But who cares if some kids or a family is sitting on the sand in front of your house? Honestly, what is the problem? Do you really think that 10-year old is going to trench under your house and cause it to collapse? Does the mere sight of a sandcastle and umbrella bother you that much? If so, why did you buy a house the beach to begin with?

Dry sand, wet sand, Tona-Roma, Supreme Court... WHO CARES. So long as you're minding your own business, pick up your belongings and trash, stay away from anyone's house or other property, what is the issue? When the neighbor's kid kicks their soccer ball into my yard do I call the cops to arrest him? No. If he wants to kick the ball around, I don't care. Again, if he starts breaking my windows or something it would be a different story. Let the beachgoers be. Come on. If you don't want to be around PEOPLE, don't buy a house in a tourist area.

The word ridiculous comes to mind.
 

Mike B.

Beach Lover
Jan 13, 2005
170
1
46
Nashville, TN
Quick question out of curiosity. Is the beach behind The Red Bar public? That's where I hung out the week before last when I was down there. All this talk makes me nervous about where I need to stay and play when I come down to visit. Thanks in advance! :cool:
 

BeachSiO2

Beach Fanatic
Jun 16, 2006
3,294
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Quick question out of curiosity. Is the beach behind The Red Bar public? That's where I hung out the week before last when I was down there. All this talk makes me nervous about where I need to stay and play when I come down to visit. Thanks in advance! :cool:

It is owned by the state of Florida, through the State Parks system, and is under either a 50, or 99-year lease with the County. In other words, yes use it.
 
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