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Teresa

SoWal Guide
Staff member
Nov 15, 2004
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I agree the TDC should have more interaction with the public about all projects. Not the best PR in the world. They are having the workshops now and all are invited for input. Lots of locals are interested and that's a good thing. I don't think it's too late to make a difference. Hopefully the workshops will be productive.

I don't believe that tourism levels will continue as they were this last season for several reasons. I think tourism will be healthy and strong. But every business owner here knows that no matter how great business is in any season, every summer season is different, numbers go up and down over the years. Businesses will be hoping that numbers stay higher for longer. But we will see. We love it here, we live here because we choose it, and we learn that living in a popular destination town on the coast is kind of complicated. It isn't for everyone, that's for sure.

I kind of like having a small county govt. But the trade off is that we aren't proactive about the rapid population growth, industry, and infrastructure/service needs. We will get there eventually because of the people who live here and who take the time to get involved. Eventually, south Walton may come into its own and incorporate. That wouldn't be such a bad thing, IMO.

I truly would love to see Walton county develop more kinds of industry so that we can have a more blended and balanced economy. And so we won't be so effected in the off season or by fluctuating tourism due to storms, etc. attracting more professionals and broader job opportunities will enrich our community. And I am not talking about another Walmart!
 
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Sandietide

Beach Crab
Nov 7, 2012
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The "Walton Dunes Parking Parcel" is an Outrage

There’s a reason the "Walton Dunes" conceptual drawing shows the parking area only, as opposed to the conceptual drawings for Montigo Access and Santa Clara Access, which both show the surrounding areas. The planned parking for Walton Dunes takes a narrow, dead-end neighborhood street (Beachfront Trail) and turns it into a parking lot (see image below). It will make it necessary for all of the property owners and visitors to the east of the parking lot, to maneuver through a congested parking lot in order to access their property. Where else in this county, state, or country is a property owner required to drive through a public parking lot in order to reach their property? This beach access is classified as a “neighborhood” beach access, not a regional access for good reason. The congestion and hazardous conditions of this planned parking lot is an accident waiting to happen.
Cars backing in and out, adults and children loaded down with beach chairs etc. walking in the street in order to reach the beach access, which is at the far west end of the parking lot, all the while traffic is attempting to use this street as the only egress and ingress to the properties on the east side of the parking lot. The design forces pedestrians to walk down the street – since there are no sidewalks and since there are no plans to provide sidewalks– in order to reach the beach access.
Beachfront Trail has no bike lanes. Bicycles must share the road with the motorized traffic. The conceptual design invites bicycle traffic to the beach access with a specifically designated bicycle parking area, but the parking space arrangement for cars and trucks makes it even more dangerous for those on bicycles to get to the designated bicycle parking area.
Beachfront Trail is a narrow, dead end, neighborhood street. The minimum street width is supposed to be 20 feet, but the accumulation of sand along the pavement edges makes it much smaller. The County has provided no place to turn around a car or a truck on Beachfront Trail. Turning a vehicle around on this street creates a major safety issue already – not only for the vehicles but also for pedestrians and bike riders. Bringing more traffic onto the street while, at the same time, blocking access to the road shoulders for pedestrians and bicycles will only worsen the problem.
The right of way along this east/west section of Beachfront Trail is only 50 feet wide. It is 17 feet to the north of the east-west property lines and 35 feet to the south of the property line, BUT the street is not positioned such that it is centered on the property lines.
If the 47 parking spaces are constructed as shown on the conceptual design, they will be shorter than the minimum size required and the parked vehicles will also extend into the driving lanes. This situation will worsen progressively as sand accumulates along the edges of the pavement. The street must be a minimum width of 20 feet. That width leaves only 30 feet of right of way width available for the perpendicular parking – or 15 feet north of the driving lanes and 15 feet south of the driving lanes. A 2012 Volkswagen Jetta is 15 feet 2 inches in length. Two 2012 Ford F150 short bed pickup trucks – just a basic pickup, is 18 feet in length and SUV’s are often much longer. If two Ford pickups parked across the street from one another, the street would be only 14 feet in width. Waste Management trucks, CHELCO trucks, regional utility trucks, all types of emergency vehicles (fire trucks) would have a difficult time driving down the street and may not be able to turn the 90 degree corner at the west end of the parcel. It would be very difficult for two vehicles, traveling in opposite directions, to pass each other in a space of just 14 feet.
The coastal barrier dunes provide protection for our neighborhood from the wave action and storm surge that we have seen all too often in recent years. These dunes must be preserved and protected.
The conceptual drawing is a bit misleading because it does not provide any reference to site elevation. Because of a failure by the County to serve as a proper steward of the site since they leased it in 1998, the dunes on this parcel are much smaller than the dunes on adjacent property and the dunes on the site do not extend as far seaward as on the adjacent property. The dunes are closer to the road and the tops of these dunes are one to three feet above the elevation of the road. To construct the project, it will be necessary to flatten the dunes and build on top of them.
The natural habitats of the sea turtle and of the nesting snowy plover that exist on the site will have to be flattened and otherwise destroyed.
Lowering the site elevation below the level of the elevation of nearby properties will expose all nearby property owners to storm surge and wave action. This will be particularly destructive to the 14 Townhomes located just 100 yards to the north of the planned parking lot.
The property values surrounding this parking site will surely be diminished. Would you want to live in a townhome that has a parking lot sitting in your front yard? Would you want to live in a home that requires you to drive through a congested public parking lot in order to access your property? Lower property values = lower property taxes. In the same vein, what tourist would want to rent a townhome and look at a parking lot while sitting on their deck? What tourist would want to rent a property and have to drive through a congested parking lot each day? Lower rental rates = lower bed tax dollars.
With 47 parking spaces, three people per vehicle are another 144 people on this section of beach. During peak season, an average of 4 per vehicle is not unreasonable, which means an additional 188 people on this section of beach. This section is already crowded from the many condo’s townhomes and private homes in the immediate surrounding area and cannot accommodate another 144-188 people.
The residents and tourists that have bought property in this area or that come back year after year have done so because of the appeal of being a quiet residential neighborhood. Walton County and the TDC are attempting to turn this area into a congested mess, without the slightest understanding of the reason tourists come to the Beaches of South Walton. Joni Mitchell certainly had foresight when she sang “they paved paradise and put up a parking lot”.
The following diagram shows the proposed parking lot, as it would appear, if completed.

Walton Dunes Parking Parcel.jpg
 

lenzoe

Beach Fanatic
I'm curious how y'all feel about this. Is using existing right of way a good idea? What about buying land? Is adding parking a good use of bed tax funds?

I'm not a fan of using right-of-ways through existing neighborhoods to solve poor planning for parking.

Do you have a link to the planning documents for the above images you pasted? I ran across them once but can't find them right now.

Second question is, do you know how the right-of-ways are defined? I thought they were usually described as being for utilities or ingress and egress. Is putting parking in such a right-of-way even legal? And if the county does that for one ingress/egress right-of-way, what's stopping them from doing it for everyone?

P.S: This is not even mentioning the recent poor water quality ratings (all summer) and the effect additional runoff from new paving that close to the beach will have. I'm sure some county engineer will claim that's not an issue, but they don't have a handle on this at all. I'd suggest more parking further from the beach, and shuttle service tied into that.
 
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30aconcerned

Beach Lover
Oct 26, 2012
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Nov 15 Beach Parking Workshop

We've asked for it and the engineering is underway. The first phase is being paid for with bed tax funds and doesn't require buying additional property, but rather uses existing right of way. Other plans are more ambitious and would require buying land, which has not been approved.

Walton Dunes is next to Dunes of Seagrove Condominiums, east of Eastern Lake. There is also talk of possibly providing an area for boat launch from the beach.

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Montigo Access and additional parking for Santa Clara Access in Seagrove Beach.

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Ed Walline and Dune Allen Accesses - would require purchasing land.

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I believe the beach parking workshops were held on the 8th and today. If that is correct, any news on attendance and results?
 
The Walton Dunes access proposal is an outrage. The Santa Clara access proposal is an outrage. Unfortunately I have close family members with health issues and have missed so much work that I can't miss more work to attend meetings in Florida.

It's all just scary for South Walton.
 

30aconcerned

Beach Lover
Oct 26, 2012
108
37
As planned they're all an outrage but...

The Walton Dunes access proposal is an outrage. The Santa Clara access proposal is an outrage. Unfortunately I have close family members with health issues and have missed so much work that I can't miss more work to attend meetings in Florida.

It's all just scary for South Walton.

did anyone attend the meetings to express that outrage? Sorry also for not being available for the meetings but surely as sensitive as this issue is (or appeared to be) someone here went to or knows what went on at the meeting.
 

Jdarg

SoWal Expert
Feb 15, 2005
18,068
1,973
So, now that the 30A/Santa Rosa Beach area is overbuilt and the existing beach accesses cannot handle the load, what do we do? Sadly, I think this ship has sailed. We built the houses and condos. We marketed the hell out of this place for people to visit here, move here, go to our beaches. Where does everybody go to the beach? Where do they park? There are going to have to be some compromises.
 

30aconcerned

Beach Lover
Oct 26, 2012
108
37
and who is "we" and whose ship are you sailong on ?.....

So, now that the 30A/Santa Rosa Beach area is overbuilt and the existing beach accesses cannot handle the load, what do we do? Sadly, I think this ship has sailed. We built the houses and condos. We marketed the hell out of this place for people to visit here, move here, go to our beaches. Where does everybody go to the beach? Where do they park? There are going to have to be some compromises.

I believe you presented a good case for the controlled growth that is needed for the area. The area is overbuilt; the existing beach accesses are stressed because the beaches are becoming overcrowded because the current policy is growth for growth's sake. So now just sit back and jump on that "ship" which I believe is called the good ship "Panama City Beach West". Don't think so. The compromise here is to spend money wisely to accomodate and support the infrastructure that is needed today and plan to accomodate growth in a rational way. And that doesn't mean throwing away money ( even the 20%) on an assinine motorized cartpath to nowhere which is just another example of the "we" mentality that is ruining this beautiful area.
 
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