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  1. Shannon Lince

    Hear from professionals why the CU battle will now last eight years

    My opinion is sales were not what the attorneys were referencing. They were speaking to the county _approving_ subdivisions for private beach property/development. In every subdivision there was a dedication by the developer either on the plat or in the C&R's. The developer in some cases...
  2. Shannon Lince

    BMB Public Beach - Really?

    The irony is that if the county prevails with the customary use lawsuit, private property owners will not have the superior right to beach vending on their property. A court order granting the public at large a use easement will be superior to any county or owner blocking that use easement. Any...
  3. Shannon Lince

    Live the Dream: HB631 Huckabee Walton County Customary Use

    He was there because POTUS wanted to know more about the left wing socialist mob uprising in Walton county that is trying to take away private property. POTUS is concerned that the left coast has infiltrated the panhandle. It was a good meeting - hopeful we'll see an executive order out of it.
  4. Shannon Lince

    Quit claim of beach front land

    It includes the entire legal description of the deed if that's what you are asking. What's your point?
  5. Shannon Lince

    Quit claim of beach front land

    Why would a title insurance policy insure land? Don't understand the question.
  6. Shannon Lince

    Access and use, convenience advantages & solutions for housekeeping on our beach

    BPO family Walton county beach for generations - her property goes back to 1878: "The thought of people being on my walkover drunk or otherwise is over the top. I have grandchildren and would not want them exposed to unruly behavior. Also..being on the beach at night in front of my house. No...
  7. Shannon Lince

    Supporting Property Rights

    Politics, Control, Real Estate, Development
  8. Shannon Lince

    Supporting Property Rights

    Apples and bananas. This isn't California or Oregon, the left coast. If that's what your socialist vision is for Walton county - you'll fit right in. Shannon
  9. Shannon Lince

    Supporting Property Rights

    Sounds good. Good luck with all that.
  10. Shannon Lince

    Supporting Property Rights

    You mean case law? Any adjudicated easement would subject a property to the terms of the easement yes. You keep saying the law in Florida - this is just an odd expression. There is case law and judicial precedent. And you are incorrect, where the criteria is proven in a court of law, judicial...
  11. Shannon Lince

    Supporting Property Rights

    What do you mean "win"? If you mean successfully defend my property interest against the claim? Spending a lot of treasure and time? Most cases supporting custom including Florida's reflect a high degree of judicial activism. Custom is a highly controversial doctrine in American law. I'll leave...
  12. Shannon Lince

    Supporting Property Rights

    That's not what I said at all. I am not willing to grant a right to the public on my property. I have 100% interest in my property - why would I dilute that to the public? Why? Do you really understand what a public use easement is legally? I'm not sure you do (by your comments).
  13. Shannon Lince

    Supporting Property Rights

    #2 --- I'll only add the other CU zealots (et al.) Absolutely - ZERO CONSENT.
  14. Shannon Lince

    Supporting Property Rights

    Well let's start with your first statement. Property rights are absolute (read Tiffany) unless limited by law. Unfortunately, many here want to define by fiat what property rights are or are not on beach property and run to the "rights are not absolute" argument. So I reject your premise and you...
  15. Shannon Lince

    Quit claim of beach front land

    So who is your beef with here? It sounds to me to be Gulf Shore Manor Subdivision. I'm not following at all that this is PUBLIC property that someone is taking with quiet title.
  16. Shannon Lince

    Quit claim of beach front land

    Does the county own this or have a public access easement?
  17. Shannon Lince

    Quit claim of beach front land

    I hear you, but I'm confused? How would the BCC sign off on any quiet title claim? It's ruled by a judge. People fight generational wars over property borders and rights so nothing should surprise anyone.
  18. Shannon Lince

    Quit claim of beach front land

    Okay - but it's a quiet title claim between two private parties and nothing to do with the county. What does this have to do with private owners taking PUBLIC property?
  19. Shannon Lince

    Quit claim of beach front land

    Well that sucks. I know when I bought my property I had to stay right on the title company as they were missing things. I know one neighborhood Seabreeze took Ramsgate to court and won back their access. So yes, I got ya now. I'm sure you are right and it's very ridiculous. But unfortunately, it...
  20. Shannon Lince

    Quit claim of beach front land

    So let me understand what you are saying. 1. Many places north of 30A came with deeded beach (interest in a private parcel of beach). You used the word - deeded access - do you mean a private walkover? If so it's semantics - private walkovers dump out to private beach parcel, why would you have...
  21. Shannon Lince

    Quit claim of beach front land

    Debunked. We have already been through this one with a fine tooth comb. You are mixing up the parties. The case was NOT about a perpetual easement for the PUBLIC --- it was for the owners of Gulf Shores Manor - it's right there in paragraph 1. The land was owned by First National Bank and...
  22. Shannon Lince

    Supporting Property Rights

    And to no one in particular, Customary Use (as it is being defined in the court of popular opinion) is central to property rights. It is granting a right to the public to use someone else's property. In this case, more than 5,000 property owners. Three states are commonly cited as having public...
  23. Shannon Lince

    Quit claim of beach front land

    Yes it hits a nerve and it should every property owner in the county. There are a handful of quiet title claims. In the majority of the claims, there is a legal basis for seeking the claim (a developer failed to transfer ownership, etc). So who is the "Drawbridge gang"? I assume you are talking...
  24. Shannon Lince

    Quit claim of beach front land

    Completely missing the point "jodi" ... you probably walked my beach too ... I don't care but I didn't know you did it either. There's a world's difference between 1 person walking a beach without any attention to themselves vs. setting up your beach set-up with chairs umbrella etc and doing it...
  25. Shannon Lince

    Quit claim of beach front land

    Oh I get it, you are one of those the rules don't apply to me types. EYE ROLL
  26. Shannon Lince

    Quit claim of beach front land

    Photos of you set-up during the weekend at Seaside Residents only beach, Watersound Beach Club, and Watercolor otherwise nothing but tough "sowal dot com" talk from an anonymous poster - we've got ten years of that!
  27. Shannon Lince

    Quit claim of beach front land

    Please do go to Seaside's residence only beach that most here, including you know about. Most "long timers" here on sowal dot com have been whining and complaining about private vs. public beaches for a decade. Ten years! All of you, just use Seaside's private beach --- in fact knock on...
  28. Shannon Lince

    Quit claim of beach front land

    Stop with the talking points. There's been a handful of quiet title actions. There are 1,000 of BFO's. Are you really suggesting SEASIDE got their beach property through quiet title? WATERSOUND? WATERCOLOR? ROSEMARY BEACH? This is getting beyond ridiculous.
  29. Shannon Lince

    Access and use, convenience advantages & solutions for housekeeping on our beach

    Real Estate professionals do not agree with the claim that Watersound is a "public beach" with convenient access. 610770 Full Agent Report - Residential Detached Single Family - Sold 03/21/2014 Directions: WaterSound Beach is located 5 miles east of the Hwy 395/30A intersection. It is on the...
  30. Shannon Lince

    Supporting Property Rights

    A BPO: "If it’s always been customary use then why create public beach areas? Just build parking lots." "Why won’t the county attorney agree to indemnify property owners from claims arising from the collection of trash?" "Why not offer to reimburse all bfo’s who have spent money on renourishment...
  31. Shannon Lince

    Supporting Property Rights

    And for those who keep repeating that Customary Use is not a taking...there is intangible taking, as well as inverse condemnation. "When a governmental actor physically occupies or invades a property right in a way that substantially interferes with the owner's use and enjoyment of the...
  32. Shannon Lince

    Supporting Property Rights

    For most BPO's, their position is one almost all property owners share: BPO's purchased property with borders and they have a full bundle of rights and quiet enjoyment with their property, just like every other Walton county property owner. They want the same rights you enjoy with your property...
  33. Shannon Lince

    SeaHighland Quiet Title Updates

    Reported in Defuniak Herald Sep 19th 2018 SeaHighland quiet title action Walton County Attorney Sidney Noyes had placed an item on the meeting agenda asking for direction as to whether the county should seek to intervene in a quiet title action that is ongoing in Walton County Circuit Court...
  34. Shannon Lince

    Wonderful family vacation...discouraged by beach issues

    Right now there is no court ordered public right to the dry sandy beach. There is no customary use until it is ordered by a court. So the county under home rule has made up it's level of superior rights, businesses (such as beach vendors) have superior rights to public rights per the ordinance...
  35. Shannon Lince

    Wonderful family vacation...discouraged by beach issues

    1. Can a fee simple owner either directly or indirectly block or interfere with a public access and use easement? 2. Does a set (or several sets) of unoccupied beach chairs on the dry sand have a superior right to a public right of use? 3. Can an owner or agent of owner block a public use...
  36. Shannon Lince

    Quit claim of beach front land

    You mean herself.
  37. Shannon Lince

    9-20-18 10:00AM mandatory vendor meeting

    Playing patty cake. Self correcting "opportunity" usually translates to a long timeline (years). After next season - it will be a "final warning", then then next season after that we might have some meaningful changes for the following season. The only thing vendors will understand is an...
  38. Shannon Lince

    Open question for beach front homeowners, their lawyers and their politician friends

    There aren't more counties. The only (now three) counties that have customary use are Volusia, St. Johns and now Nassau (which is questionable). St. Johns and Volusia had quick work of it in court as the beach was a public road and a number of commercial public attractions (the tower for...
  39. Shannon Lince

    Access and use, convenience advantages & solutions for housekeeping on our beach

    75 feet, S to N. Landward of the Mean High Tide Line. Pedestrian access easement.
  40. Shannon Lince

    Open question for beach front homeowners, their lawyers and their politician friends

    T/R is not a law. It established the acceptance of the doctrine and a legal precedent which did not exist previously in FL.
  41. Shannon Lince

    Open question for beach front homeowners, their lawyers and their politician friends

    I would only add there are states which reject the doctrine of custom entirely.
  42. Shannon Lince

    Open question for beach front homeowners, their lawyers and their politician friends

    There is no need to cut and paste T-R. Please review the word "if" from a legal standpoint. Have you actually read Tiffany? Not just the section, but the entire text on custom? Or Blackstone? There's been a few cases clarifying T-R. You might want to review those before continuing with putting...
  43. Shannon Lince

    Access and use, convenience advantages & solutions for housekeeping on our beach

    Most of this article is belief ... Stated: "So, even now Watersound is a public beach with predominantly private access but a large area of the sandy beach is open to the public for sharing if they take the walk." Fact: Watersound is not a public beach. The 65 feet is a less than 1% of the 1...
  44. Shannon Lince

    Question for Customary Use supporters - Public density across the beaches?

    Good observation. Well we don't know because these properties seem to be off limits from protest. How would someone with two chairs, an umbrella, a cooler and a football even get to Watersound's beach club beach? To me a bigger question is do they believe that things are going to stay...
  45. Shannon Lince

    Mike Huckabee’s role in pushing controversial beach access law

    Amazing. So, just who is the moderator, or is there one at all? As to the BPO's my husband and I personally talk with several hundred, and those who represent entire blocks of neighborhoods, HOA's, condos. Almost to a person they will not express their opinion for the concern will make them a...
  46. Shannon Lince

    Open question for beach front homeowners, their lawyers and their politician friends

    This is offensive. This is what the mob does on Visions group. Next you'll be trying to find my employer and have me fired. Shannon
  47. Shannon Lince

    Open question for beach front homeowners, their lawyers and their politician friends

    Blaming me for what you just saw with your own two eyes speaks volumes. What were you saying about Uhlfelder? Shannon Uhlfelder_dox by Shannon Lince posted Sep 16, 2018 at 4:09 PM
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