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  1. formosa64

    Customary Use of SoWal Beaches: Contact Governor Scott

    While this is true - the bill is passed by both House/Senate, is now enrolled and is being sent to the Governor for signature. This is quibblng and just isn't correct.
  2. formosa64

    Customary Use of SoWal Beaches: Contact Governor Scott

    Love it all you want, your position is not really accurate. A number of the private beaches are for entire communities. For example there is a private beach for all of Seaside which has 300+ homes. Rosemary Beach supports well over 2,000 homes, etc. So you painting this like there are 900 folks...
  3. formosa64

    Customary Use of SoWal Beaches: Contact Governor Scott

    This article is completely misleading and ignorant of the facts. Walton county made a sweeping land grab by issuing a county wide ordinance giving rights to the entire US population to private property owned by individuals without any due process to the property owner. Customary use has been...
  4. formosa64

    Customary Use of SoWal Beaches: Contact Governor Scott

    You are right. The "Latin" on that webpage is an "example" style for the page when the template is selected. In other words no content exists for those sections - just boilerplate text (which happens to be in "Latin" to make sure the designer knows that is not real content). I'm also not...
  5. formosa64

    Customary Use of SoWal Beaches: Contact Governor Scott

    If you can prove that in court, then who is to blame for that and who will compensate the "pompass entitled beach front owners"? You? Saying "should have never" isn't a valid argument. According to whom? You? If anything they have since the days of the King, so that's pretty ancient isn't it...
  6. formosa64

    Customary Use of SoWal Beaches: Contact Governor Scott

    I was of course exaggerating to make a point. But, are you suggesting that in order to be a good person I need to let unlimited public use my property and I have no right to ask for anything for it, but pay for it all? If so there will be a lot of bad people living in subdivisions and condos all...
  7. formosa64

    Customary Use of SoWal Beaches: Contact Governor Scott

    As they should. If they don't then they do open themselves up to public use. It's just like having a private road - if the county repaves it then it becomes a public road. This is not controvertible and no one is arguing this principle that I know of. Has nothing to do with customary use of...
  8. formosa64

    Customary Use of SoWal Beaches: Contact Governor Scott

    Actually you aren't correct. We have DECLINED any beach replenishment because that does trigger public use. And further you aren't the county, so no YOU have not paid for my beach property anymore than I paid for yours because the county put the road in that connects to your driveway suddenly...
  9. formosa64

    Customary Use of SoWal Beaches: Contact Governor Scott

    BTW - I'm greatly exaggerating to make a point. No need to flame me for being a greedy cold hearted property owner. But, I used to own several hundred acres of very prime deer hunting land in a very high tax state. I used to get hunters all the time approach me and ask to hunt on my property. I...
  10. formosa64

    Customary Use of SoWal Beaches: Contact Governor Scott

    I don't know what specific beaches you have been using. You and your locals, visitors, friends and family haven't enjoyed access to our private beach - if you had been using it - I would have sent all of you a bill for a portion of the annual taxes we pay which includes our beach to MHLW. It's...
  11. formosa64

    Misc Rental restricted areas on 30A.

    Sand Cliffs on the Gulf --- homes in Seacrest area. Although they dedicated their beach long ago to the county for public use.
  12. formosa64

    Signs At The County Line

    Although others probably do - I have no idea how the whole "South Walton" came to be in the first place. The name of this forum is "sowal.com" (South Walton). There's a whole lot of branding for "South" Walton, not just the signs. Who created the whole "South Walton" concept? Just go to...
  13. formosa64

    Proposed bill could void Walton County's customary use ordinance

    No fan of anyone you mentioned - LOL. Well to be clear, I only mentioned Hannity in that he was the ONE who exposed the PCB Spring Break fiasco at a national level. It got a lot of attention and it yielded results.
  14. formosa64

    Proposed bill could void Walton County's customary use ordinance

    Has anyone contacted Shawn Hannity or Lou Dobbs on this unconstitutional land grab by Walton County?? Someone should!
  15. formosa64

    Proposed bill could void Walton County's customary use ordinance

    "The bill would have left Walton County potentially being forced to file a lawsuit against every beachfront property owner along 26 miles of coastline, and prove its case for customary use access to their property, according to Holly Parker of the Surfrider Foundation, based in Tallahassee."...
  16. formosa64

    Proposed bill could void Walton County's customary use ordinance

    So we all will fight, spend millions of dollars in attorney fees again. Who will be the "defendant" protecting private property owners when Walton County takes this sweeping ordinance before a judge? Or will the judge simply say "ok sounds good for all the beaches" after he sees that high school...
  17. formosa64

    Proposed bill could void Walton County's customary use ordinance

    "Unfortunate" applies an emotion to property ownership which is legal or illegal - that's all. There was no "act" to turn this private property to be owned by the county. So unless a portion of the parcel was dedicated to the public (and many of them did - see Sand Cliffs plat for an example)...
  18. formosa64

    Proposed bill could void Walton County's customary use ordinance

    Some of them are - 30 years ago is 1988. I have 40 year old photos... just don't have them scanned ... And they don't NEED to be 30 years old or 100 year old to disprove uninterrupted use. Anything prior to 2016. What about the legal documents - do you dispute those as well? Are you suggesting...
  19. formosa64

    Proposed bill could void Walton County's customary use ordinance

    You still don't get it. It's about entire neighborhoods and new developments claiming these private properties as their property to use paying zero taxes on. It's a strategy by the TDC to support more development, a lot more development to North of 30A.
  20. formosa64

    Proposed bill could void Walton County's customary use ordinance

    "Although it has now passed out of the Rules Committee and will pass on to the floor for a full vote, (date & time TBD), the character of the small town, with it's breathtaking free and open beaches, warm and welcoming community has forever changed. Knowing that an entitled group of gulf front...
  21. formosa64

    Proposed bill could void Walton County's customary use ordinance

    That's simply not true. I have photos of private beach signs that are 30-40 years old. There are deeds and restrictions from developers that private beaches are dedicated to the exclusive use of the residents and owners of the property. Seaside has had private beaches since 1981... others back...
  22. formosa64

    Proposed bill could void Walton County's customary use ordinance

    And my point was just because anecdotally there was an issue with fill dirt does not in anyway become "the reason" as you put it that MHWL was put in deeds. Walton county is a special place, but not so special that general rules of property ownership, due process, and coastal deeds do not apply.
  23. formosa64

    Proposed bill could void Walton County's customary use ordinance

    This is the Senate bill language on customary use: Section 10. Section 704.09, Florida Statutes, is created to read: 704.09 Judicial determination; customary use.—A common law claim of customary use for the public use of private property must apply to a particular parcel and must be determined...
  24. formosa64

    Proposed bill could void Walton County's customary use ordinance

    What specifically are you talking about? Beach hasn't been private since 1824? What in the world does this even mean? If you are talking about rights of fishing and navigation that has little to do with what's being discussed here with customary use doctrine. There have clearly been private...
  25. formosa64

    Sara Comander not seeking re-election

    Come on - it's ridiculous to make a for profit business as some referendum on someone's character. With few exceptions, by definition a for profit business is self serving. Taxes are part of expense of running the business - he's not running the business in order to pay taxes - so how much he...
  26. formosa64

    C. Jones Goes to Tallahassee

    No, the bill as it is currently written, will not affect Volusia or Daytona (which is in Volusia county) - as the bill only void anything after January 1, 2016 which directly targets Walton County.
  27. formosa64

    C. Jones Goes to Tallahassee

    Let's see - Walton County has been the only county in FLA (that I know of) recently to enact a county wide customary use ordinance that failed to follow the FLA SC ruling that stated that customary use was to be applied on a per parcel basis and ruled by a court. The reason Volusia county got...
  28. formosa64

    C. Jones Goes to Tallahassee

    Does Jones even realize that the very reason the customary use restriction is being brought up as a bill is Walton County's incredible over reach? She completely misstates what customary use doctrine is and how it is to be applied. Using her argument there would not be any private property...
  29. formosa64

    Proposed bill could void Walton County's customary use ordinance

    So let me just understand your position. Buyer A purchases a $3MM beachfront lot - she thinks it is her private property (because it is). Customary use comes along. Buyers B,C,D,E,F pays $50K for their lots which are not on the beach but advertised as having beach access to Buyer A's private...
  30. formosa64

    Proposed bill could void Walton County's customary use ordinance

    HB631 House Bill 631 (2018) - The Florida Senate
  31. formosa64

    Proposed bill could void Walton County's customary use ordinance

    Obviously the state is concerned at what's occurred in Walton County. The infamous FL SC case that is used for customary use was in Volusia county, but as most reading know - the case said it had to be applied on a per property basis. Obviously Walton county ignored that part of the ruling (and...
  32. formosa64

    Customary Use Upheld by Federal Court

    Yes thanks, I did not see the "new" replacement order until after I wrote the reply. I agree with your assessment.
  33. formosa64

    Customary Use Will Happen On Sowal Beaches

    Ok as I read this new order replacing the previous order (why he did this is curious) what the judge ruled after all that reading in his "new" judgement replacing the original one where he refused to rule on the matter of customary use. He simply (after lengthy discussion on the entire history...
  34. formosa64

    Customary Use Upheld by Federal Court

    This article is completely MISLEADING. The judge did NOT uphold anything. He refused to rule on the matter in the case - read the case ruling - there is nothing about ruling on customary use, only he was not going to take up the matter as he had already ruled on the first three items. This is...
  35. formosa64

    Customary Use Will Happen On Sowal Beaches

    I don't know what you heard - but the court order states the Judge _declined_ to rule on the issue/complaint as presented. This does not mean he sided with anyone, nor does it mean he upheld Customary Use as is being reported by News Channel 7. I'm surprised a reporter took the bait and peddled...
  36. formosa64

    Who has best pizza in South Walton?

    I need to revise my review of Amici's. Their "upside down" pie is quite good. Personally I'd skip the pancetta (bacon) as it overwhelmed the rest of the pie but otherwise it's quite delicious.
  37. formosa64

    Peace and Quiet. Is it possible in South Walton?

    Dave, Good article. But from my view the air and the airwaves are free for all shouldn't they be? Historically people have been able to make all the noise and music they want to anywhere. I'm not understanding why you as a private property owner think that you have the "right" to peace and quiet...
  38. formosa64

    Who has best pizza in South Walton?

    Amici is good but not great. The pies are very small and not what I would consider great toppings or cheese. Not enough cheese and the pepperoni is big size slices which throws off the flavor to bite ratio. It’s a typical small pizza for $20 which doesn’t really make sense. The slices they serve...
  39. formosa64

    More Waste Of Tax Dollars By The Bcc

    Hey they didn't blink when screwing with $2Billion dollars worth of beach front property --- what's a few flowers? A drop in the bucket. For every property that's paying $20K a year in property taxes - a 20% hit would be $4K per property loss into the county. That's a lot of flowers.
  40. formosa64

    Customary Use Will Happen On Sowal Beaches

    Sorry not familiar with what David Pleat is proposing - only aware he is representing Rosemary Beach w/customary use. Can you provide the detail? I guess I'm not tieing incorporating with customary beach use. If that's the platform ABSW is running on as a reason to incorporate, so they can...
  41. formosa64

    Customary Use Will Happen On Sowal Beaches

    I further my comments on District 5 being ineffective and the need for incorporation. Here we elected someone who lived his entire life in Defuniak Springs, only to recently transplant. Now he's the one representing beachfront/30A owners interests? He's never even lived in the environment to...
  42. formosa64

    Customary Use Will Happen On Sowal Beaches

    The main reason I would see beachfront property owners supporting incorporating is that currently their interests are not being represented appropriately, reasonably or fairly at the county level. This is why local governments get formed - so they can directly represent the needs, concerns and...
  43. formosa64

    Customary Use Will Happen On Sowal Beaches

    The position is that a "rented" chair is one that someone has reserved and paid for --- not one that is occupied. So they put out the "rented" chairs every morning first thing and take up the space. Now the chairs may sit empty all day but they are "rented" --- that's the problem. The chair...
  44. formosa64

    Customary Use Will Happen On Sowal Beaches

    And I completely agree with you. The big problem is that the beach vendors are using the chairs as "members of the public" and usurping the "first come first serve" concept for public access to the beach this consuming space "in the name of a beach user". The issue is that a member of the public...
  45. formosa64

    Customary Use Will Happen On Sowal Beaches

    You miss the point that if we were all "good neighbors" and everyone of the "public" always did the right thing - there would be no need for private property anywhere. It's a utopian viewpoint that's being promoted just because it's the beach --- and of all groups of people we have applied it to...
  46. formosa64

    A chance to affect short term rental issues

    On principle the local gov should control yes --- in practicality no they have shown they cannot so I trust Tallahassee in this matter. 20 people in a three bedroom house or causing a public nuisance isn't a unique problem that only a local government could solve.
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