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John R., on 12/08/2006 you were nice enough to create this thread concerning Redfish Village issues in the community of Blue Mountain Beach, and I thought an update on Redfish Village sales activity would be appropriate near this first anniversary; this data comes from the MLS as of 12/14/2007...

No, he looked like Matlock!

SJ...I thought you had an interest in this issue. Not pointing you out, only posting this as information.

SJ...I think this was predicted last January.

Now we know why it was so important to give Redfish Village's private gated access project the go ahead. The precedent set goes right along with this one. Vote for Naturewalk was the same as RFV and by the same folks!!!

SJ...Some structures may have been built on the beach, but I don't think that is the norm for county, State and Federal public beaches. I thought structures had to be approved by the appropriate governing body and would have to be removed from the beach if they had not been approved. Isn't that...

I noticed the walkway to the beach. It seems to be built on the county's beach. It's length is protruding a long way from the bluffs. I'm wondering if RFV is in violation of any county codes concerning building on county property, especially on county owned public beach. It would appear there is...

SJ...the Commissioners granted RFV's request for a beach access lot with the requirement that they complete the side walk, bike path, on CR-83....do you know of any activity on this requirement? Also, has there been any sales interest in Lot #1? The beach house on the lot was torn down...

KT...bold words from someone who doesn't live where he says he'd lives.

Unplugged...County approved Redfish Village proposal.

KT...we spend the day doing what you do...we try to protect our interest and property.

KT...you're not working for the BMB neighborhood, you are working against the BMB neighborhood.

KT...oh, you're so pure and innocent!!! More billable hours, huh?

SJ...please, no need to be a supercilious twit. Stop you waffeling posting if you are not prepared to defend or explain them.

SJ...if your not sure what your post means, why post it?

SJ-so, what does that mean? If the issue is credibility, who is correct here?

JohnR...seems like your always looking for something free.

JohnR...how sweet, you missed me!

KT...your employers can never say you didn't try... Main Entry: pet?ti?fog?ger Pronunciation: 'pe-tE-"fo-g&r, -"f?- Function: noun Etymology: probably from petty + obsolete English fogger pettifogger 1 : a lawyer whose methods are petty, underhanded, or disreputable

Ginger...be nice; you've exposed more of yourself than you'll ever know. Excuse me, I've got to go turn down Bobby Vinton's "Mr. Lonely" CD...just getting ready for the night.

SJ...and your point is? You just can't stay away from the parking issue, can you?...go to Brad's thread and get you exposure. This one is for Redfish Village Access, as if you didn't know!

Ginger...I'll try my best to answer some of your vitrolic comments. I believe I do have more rights than you to the "beach" because I own a portion of the "beach" and have private property rights, and it appears from your post that you don't own any beachfront property; therefore, if I'm...

John R...if those are the rules of the thread, so be it; I'm use to a subject line meaning that you stay on that subject...live and learn! A suggestion for you to consider; in the future when you create a thread, why don't you just name it John R Miscellaneous 1, John R Miscellaneous 2, etc...

Shelly...since we've both been described as sad and lonely, maybe we should have a consoling drink at a convenient watering hole and lament our sad and lonely plight. Happy New Year!

Ginger...welcome and I look forward to seeing you on the beach!

John R...BTW, did you ever get the name of the lovely lady on your posts?

Smiling Joe...please read my post #213 to John R; applies to you also. Sorry to see you go over to the dark side!

John R...concern would be a better choice of words. I've noticed in some of your other postings you are quick to point out when someone hijacks a thread for their own personal issues. I'm surprised to see you do this now since you created this thread and named it "Redfish Village Beach...

SJ...why would you not want to own beachfront property? It's a beautiful thing to be a part of on a daily basis.

SJ...not interested in changing the subject. We can blue sky about the future after RFV private gateway access is resolved. You can theorize and pontificate about the lack of parking and access as much as you like. It does no good to waste that kind of time, energy and money when the problem...

SJ..good to hear of your efforts. You must not have read my previous posts concerning stopping this kind of access; if you stop the private access now, developers will not make the money they want to make and lower density units will be developed in the future with less damage to the beach and...

SJ...what am I going to do with you?..."do the most to protect the beaches?" That role is left to the owners and the county, not the non-owners of beachfront property. If these folks are so protective of the beach, how have we gotten to where we are? Au naturel beaches not maintained after Ivan...

Kevin..there didn't need to be a judgement; RFV was clever enough not to persue a permit after Pat Blackshear issued a Stop Order on their project. By not persuing the permit, they now can claim they were never denied a permit...neat, huh? They are pubically stating this now. They are stating...

Whitesys...thanks, again.

Whitesys...thanks.

SJ...this is the plat containing the 1st beachfront lot RFV was trying to develop; if you have a plat with the second lot RFV is attempting to get approval for, please provide. The plat you have provided is east of CR-83 public access; the second lot now being discussed is west of CR-83 public...

Kevin...no one asked for my help; the fight on RFV first lot was done quietly and effectively. The owners near that lot knew the zoning would stop RFV if they alerted the county to their concerns; that's all the owners near the second lot are trying to point out, and you know that. No, the...

Kevin...I've answered your questions in my posts 153, 159, 170, 173, and 178; Smiling Joe also helped with post 142. I don't think you own property in the area.

SJ...good one!!!!

John R...sure, be glad to. BTW, let's get to something serious here. Who is the photo beauty you are currently using on your posts? Looks like an old movie star; either Lana Turner or Ester Williams?

SJ...do you have a copy of the minutes?

John R...your post makes no sense...go to your room.

FFF...I know a lot of "big dogs" under the front porch whining right now! Thanks for the projection. You might be right about 2008!

John R...Didn't Redfish Village make a transcript of the meeting? Since you were there, you might give them a call and ask for a copy, if you need one; since they know you are supportive of their project, they may even give it to you gratis.

Kevin...my post #173 answers some of you questions: Kevin...Redfish Village users will use your roads anyway; they are not going to sit around and wait for RFV's "trolley or SUV service"...they will hop in their cars, or walk down to the beach, the quickest and easiest way possible and that will...

FFF...no problem with your long term projections...what is your 12 to 24 month projection for sales in this area? BTW, experienced mortgage brokers here speak of an eight percent average historical appreciation rate when discussing the last 10 to 15 years of sales; 2003/2004/2005 spiked prices...

spinDrAtl...thanks for the info...I hear the Related Group is starting a large build-out around Lenox Square. Should be interesting!

redfisher...I don't know any RE agent that has been dishonest.

Brad...is there an average distance between these accesses or do you just put them wherever the law allows? I realize you may not have control over the position of every access, but I am interested in knowing if there is a formal placement concept for accesses or if it's just place them whever...

Shelly...thanks for your thoughts; your candor is appreciated. I've noticed that a lot of RE professionals here, probably thinking it's best to be optimistic, will not tell you the facts about the RE market or about their closings for 2006; you will probably be proven correct once again in 2007.