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Beach Nourishment Opposition Lawsuit

Discussion in 'Local Government and Groups' started by Misty, May 8, 2015.

  1. Misty

    Misty Banned

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    From the Defuniak Herald:

    UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE NORTHERN DISTRICT OF FLORIDA PENSACOLA DIVISION Lionel and Tammy Alford, as Co-Trustees of the Lionel D. Alford, Jr. andTammy Nix Alford Revocable Trust

    http://waltonbeachnourishment.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Alford-v.-Walton-County-Complaint.pdf
     
  2. Andy A

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    Boy, if I had a law degree I'd set up my practice in Walton County. We have more frivolus lawsuits per capita than any place I've ever lived, and that is a lot of places. The one occupation here assured of a good living seems to be that of attorney.
     
  3. NotDeadYet

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    Exhibit A Page 5 specifically exempts beach and dune restoration projects from the Ordinance. Am I missing something??
     
  4. miznotebook

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    Doesn't it say beach and dune restoration projects conducted by the county? I think they are arguing that the Army Corps of Engineers is conducting this project rather than the county.
     
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    It does say that. But the Corps won't do it without County approval and cooperation, and the County has raised a good chunk of the money. I guess it comes down to semantics. Personally I don't think "conducted by" means the county has to do all of it themselves. The symphony orchestra 'conductor' isn't up there all alone. "It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is."
     
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  6. jodiFL

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    I will put it right out there.. I am against ANY renourishment.. Mother Nature could very easily take away that millions of $$ in one storm... if the semantics is what it takes to stop it in its tracks, I am all for it. It doesnt seem frivilous to me.. Walton Co. has been adamant about the type or stuff put on our beach for years and should be made to abide by the same standards that property owners have to abide by..

    P.s... I DO NOT own beach front property in Walton county..
     
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  7. jodiFL

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    Just a thought.. how many folks here went out to our beautiful little 17 mile stretch of gulf to see Katrina pass by?? I have never seen the gulf so angry, 25+foot waves on OUR coast. What makes people think that what was taken away then wont be taken away again this year or next year? The tides have a way of putting sand back ...why are there so many "commissioners" that think they have a better plan than Mother Nature? I have seen storms take the beach away one month then put it back the next..
     
  8. Andy A

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    jodiFL, you obviously did not attend any of the workshops on beach restoration held for over a 6 year period by Brad Pickle. You are not alone. They explained why we need beach restoration on our badly eroding beaches and how it can be accomplish. I saw Dennis wipe out our walkover and dune. I don't care to see a repeat of that incident. The money for restoration of Walton County's beaches has already been allocated by the Feds, I understand. If it is not used here, it will be used elsewhere. You state you do not own beachfront property. Many others do and want to see it protected to the best degree possible. I am sure you do all you can to protect your backyard. Please allow us to do the same.
     
  9. steel1man

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    FYI. IF
    A storm washed it away, Guess What? The Feds
    Will redo it for 50 years. You gonna be here in 50 years ? I'm not. So let's save them for the future
    #globalwarming
     
  10. Rachael Ashman McKee

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    When the government says they will take care of anything for the next 50 years, I feel that is something to always be wary of. And question, why won't they allow beachfront owners to renew their beach with their own money and specific guidelines? Especially if this is about renourishment and not tourism.
     
  11. jodiFL

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    Why should taxpayer money be used to shore up someones home that was built on the LEAST sturdy material known to man?? You build on the shore you are taking an inherent risk that should be your (and yours alone) responsibility. It not like you didnt know that hurricanes exist and WILL take away that beach in any given year, sometimes 3 or 4 times in a year. I wouldnt build on the side of a mountain that was prone to mudslides and then expect my neighbors to pay to shore up the mountain when it started raining every spring just because I wanted that view no matter what. And yes AndyA.. I do what I have to do to protect my backyard but I am not asking for a government bailout to do it. If my yard floods and I need more dirt I go buy it. I think we should be more like some of the towns along the east coast ...sure you can build but if Mother Nature takes it away it just GONE. And you arent allowed to create a new beach to put it on.
     
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    Taxpayer money isn't being used to shore up homes, it's being used to shore up the shore and why shouldn't it? In my opinion the beach is as much a part of our infrastructure as roads and bridges are. Without the beach everything we have will cease to exist. It is what draws the tourists and the economy here is driven by tourism. This is our home and protecting it collectively is what we should do as a community. If renourishment of the beach is part of that process then so be it. Many people complained about rebuilding New Orleans after Katrina, I was not one of them. New Orleans is a national treasure and so is the Emerald Coast. People like Huckabee and the Alford's are being selfish. If a storm takes their homes they can collect the insurance and rebuild somewhere else because they are not vested here like the full time residents are. I believe AndyA is making the best argument on this subject and seems, in my opinion, to be the most knowledgable. Now that I have publicly agreed with Andy I realize I must be insane so I'm am going to log out now and take my temperature while flipping through WebMD to find clues to it's cause.
     
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    can you imagine a beach with few hundred feet of renourished beach going out 200' from dune and the one naysayer with a beach 20-30' from the dune line to the water as it is now..#Think
     
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    Can you imagine a beach with brownish sand full of sharp pieces of shell? That gets so hot you have to wear shoes to walk to the water? I just dont think they can renourish the beaches with the same quality of sand that we have now. And when we lose that we will lose the tourists anyway. What about when they start dredging up the remnants of Deepwater Horizon and pump a bunch of tarballs laced with Corexit along with that brown sand and shells? Who will be responsible for the clean up? BP wont do it since we are the ones that pumped it up onshore. There are just too many bad scenarios they havent spoke about that could be the downfall of our 17 miles of beach.
     
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    It isn't often poppy and I agree but we do on occasion. Thank you, poppy. This is one of them. And jodiFL, you are full of it! You, and those promoting the non-matching sand are spreading faisehoods. The sand color to be used in the restoration process was tested and determined to be suitable over six years ago. Not only that, but if you really want to see what restoration will look like, go up the the Hilton and walk out on their renourish beach and then tell me it will be full of tarballs, brown sand and shells. I hate it when people spread crap to promote a false point of view and that is exactly what is happening with the falsehoods being broadcast in news media. Come on, Brad, I realize they chased you off but tell them what you told so many of us years ago. I am sick and tired of some not in favor of beach restoration deliberately lieing to the public. The results of beach restoration are already here for all to see in Western Walton County! Shut up and go look!
     
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    And just when did the oil spill occur? Oh yea that would be 5 years ago.. after Sandestins renourishment..after the color tests were done....how can any of you be sure they wont dredge up oil? Let them dredge up a couple of truck loads NOW and see how it matches. Alot can change in 6-8 years. And a point of view cant be true OR false because it is just that ..A POINT OF VIEW. Heres a thought.. volunteer YOUR property for the test sand to be pumped on FIRST..
     
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  17. steel1man

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    BS
     
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    For the record. I do own beachfront property, lots of it, it's known as the public beaches.
     
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    The plaintiff has a website:

    http://waltonbeachnourishment.com



    And have bought "Dr. Beach's" report...

    National Expert “Dr. Beach” to Oppose Beach Nourishment Project at Walton County Commission Meeting

     

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