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Scooter

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Where are the best investments? Lots by the bay, Rivercamps by St.Joe - How close is this property to the new airport? Is it true that the new commissioners are going to allow high rises in South Walton? That would be devastating! What about Redfish Village? :dunno:
 

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That is a wide open question. :lol:

The easy answer is anything on the water is the best, gulf view after that. But really anything in Walton County, including North of the bay is a good bet.

St. Joe properties, even River Camps which is on the bay near the new airport, are BLUE CHIP. Getting a SJ property pre-construction is like hitting the lotto. And you have to get in a lottery to get one.
 

Smiling JOe

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kurt said:
... Getting a SJ property pre-construction is like hitting the lotto. And you have to get in a lottery to get one.

Just having your name pulled from the hat is like winning the lottery, literally.

Regarding Redfish Village, I don't think they are building anything taller than the current zoning will allow - 4 stories or 50', whichever comes first.
 

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Hi Philip,
Don't forget to post your rental stuff in the real estate forum.

While Summer Camps and some of the other St. Joe projects may not be as hot as some in SoWal and other primo locations, the way they do things and the resulting weight of the name seem to guarantee a profit.

At this point they could do "Swamp Camps" in Southern Georgia and a great waiting list would ensue. :lol:
 

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Philip_Atlanta said:
Regarding St Joe, do you think the above works for Summer Camps as well - over in Caravelle? Not nearly as desirable a location on the gulf as Walton Co (in my opinion at least).

Yes, definitely. Carabelle, Appalachicola, St Joe, Cape San Blas, are hot areas, with a different kind of beauty and strong prices. Those areas are the "old Florida" places I think about when I hear MoFro sing the song entitled, "Florida." Below is a short article from the Mountain Xpress regarding MoFro's song. Some of the lirics are written in the article.

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Apr 3, 2002 / vol 8 iss 34
Brighter days
Soulful album proves regionalism isn't dead

by Margaret Williams

It was the land immortalized in Marjorie Kinnan Rawlings' The Yearling. Now it's a land increasingly overrun with skyscraper condos and superhighways headed south.

"Florida, I know you're out there hiding from me/You get harder and harder to find. Everyday she keeps slippin' away/Florida, please don't fade on me now," singer John "J.J." Grey of MoFro croons in "Florida," a song that pays homage to the little-lauded north-central region of that state, far from the beaches but no less exotic in its swampy, prehistoric stillness.

If you thought regionalism was dead, you need only listen to MoFro's Blackwater (Fog City Records, 2001). Named one of amazon.com's top-10 R&B/soul records last year, the disc oozes Southern spirit ? Grey's voice is so immediate you could be hearing him over the radio as you cruised the flat two-lanes of backwoods Florida.

Picture a place and time that's slipping away on the slow pulse of blackwater swamps: Laughter, blues guitar and Grey's chameleonic voice ? which manages to invoke a young James Brown on some tracks ? wafts across the sultry North Florida air. Water laps against the knobbly knees of cypress stumps; a hint of wind rustles the palmettos and tall Southern pines; Spanish moss droops from the limbs of live oaks.

"Autumn sun sets morning skies ablaze/The oaks and the pines turn their palms up to the sun/The kind of beauty that hits down in the soul/And still we're hell-bent to destroy it all," the singer laments. The slow-drawl pace kicks into a space-age rap as the singer continues, "Now skyscrapers and superhighways/Are carved through the heart of Florida/Building subdivisions while the swamps are drained/Makin' room for people and amusement parks."

Grey grew up outside Jacksonville, Fla., and went with his grandfather to fish the not-so-far-away Cross Creek area described so memorably in The Yearling and Rawlings' other works. "This music," remarked MoFro guitarist/dobroist Daryl Hance in a press statement, "comes from the Blackwater region of North Florida and is about remembering, about paying respect, and about giving thanks."

Hance is a lifelong friend of Grey's; the latter once commented, "One of the regular haunts ... was a little juke house/barbecue joint called K-D's Nite Limit. That's where I got my first taste of soul, blues and funk music. Everybody up there would be hangin' out playin' cards. They'd [give us] a plate of 'Q and let me take a swig of beer or two. I remember everybody up there would be listening to the Isley Brothers or somebody like that on the stereo."

The memory of such times powers "Whitehouse," with Grey singing, "I got a lot of memories of growing up in the South ... living childhood dreams and fantasies ... kissing girls at the playground ... Show me the way back to those days." Childhood memories take on a different flavor in the hyperactive "Ho Cake" ? the song is an ode to turnip greens and piping hot cornbread.

MoFro's unique achievement may be that they sound like a lot of other Southern rock while somehow eliciting the lakes, swamps, alligators, hot sun, pines and palmettos of North Florida like no other band. It's the kind of country that exists just off the beaten path, just an oyster shell's throw from saltwater, all the way from Jacksonville to New Orleans.

You can hear the sense of place in the throaty sax of "Nare Sugar," and in the echo of laughter and camaraderie of "Jookhouse." The band likes to call what it does "North Florida front-porch funk" ... and the legacy of Southern storytelling is humorously apparent in the improvised tune, "Cracka Break," a sort of redneck rap about a bank robber whose misadventure begins with the security guard that "kabongs him on the head" with his pistol butt.

Grey recalls the days when his grandfather and Daryl's daddy carried them over to Lake Lochloosa and Lake Orange near Cross Creek to go fishing: "I loved it there and still do, but the last time I went down there, they was building a bunch of new houses. I guess time, progress and money have all caught with old-school Florida. I'm sure Daryl and me goin' fishin' down there helped shape our lives and music beyond our knowledge of it."

Nostalgia takes a grand final bow in the CD's emotional, Allman Brothers-esque last track; the chorus, building in intensity, keeps wondering: "Brighter days/Where did they go?"
 
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Joe

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We drove down to SummerCamp a couple of weeks ago. I had never been to that part of the Florida Panhandle. Our mission was to see how the beaches compared to SoWal. In my mind there is no comparison. The ocean was more like the Atlantic...very cloudy water. The closest restaurants are many miles away. But at the same time, you pay much less for property without amenities. The prices for lots, were quite reasonable during their initial release, even for lots close to the beach. The other drawback is the property is right at sea level so the houses will be on stilts as they are all in the flood plain.

The last I read in the Tallahassee Democrat, St. Joe is being sued by environmentalists so the SummerCamp project is in limbo until the lawsuit is decided.



Also, you cannot drive into SummerCamp, there are no roads yet. All you can do is drive by on 30A.
 

Joe

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Speaking of St. Joe Lotteries, they are releasing the first 18 lots in the final phase of Watercolor (Phase 4 -- Cedar Woods). Drawing is May 5th. I was surprised that the prices are all in the $500-$550 range (seemed low). I don't know what the associated build times are.
 

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Joe said:
Speaking of St. Joe Lotteries, they are releasing the first 18 lots in the final phase of Watercolor (Phase 4 -- Cedar Woods). Drawing is May 5th. I was surprised that the prices are all in the $500-$550 range (seemed low). I don't know what the associated build times are.

I heard that the WaterColor agents were begging for lower prices. :dunno:

Seems like prices are about $100k higher than similarly located lots along 30-A, but you would expect a premium at WaterColor. Anyone know how they compare to NatureWalk of Seagrove just to the North?
 
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