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Big waste of tax payers money

Discussion in 'Local Government and Groups' started by steel1man, Sep 11, 2018.

  1. steel1man

    steel1man Beach Fanatic

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    The first step of creating a #SouthWaltonConnector road from 30a to Hwy 98 was approved 4-1 by the Walton County Commissioners. Step 1: approving $597,780 for professional design and engineering services. #SouthWalton @WMBBTV
     
  2. Shannon Lince

    Shannon Lince Beach Lover

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    Pave paradise and put up a parking lot... front row center seat right here.

    Shannon
     
  3. FactorFiction

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    Another study that goes nowhere.
     
  4. Emerald Drifter

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    $600,000. Complete, total waste of money.

    How many bike paths/sidewalks could that build on existing North/South connectors? Holiday Road, 393.
     
  5. Jim Tucker

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    Is it a waste of money because you don't want the road or think it won't be built?
     
  6. steel1man

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    Bingo!!!!!!!!!
     
  7. EZ4144

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    Horse done left the barn and trottin'.

    I suppose it could still be shot in the head though if anyone cares about protected state lands, wildlife, and sensitive ecosystems.
     
  8. ShallowsNole

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    When traffic backed up from 395/30A to the Tom Thumb, people cried for another connector.
    While traffic can still back up at times, the traffic signal has effectively alleviated most of it, or at least the times I've been through it seems to have solved a lot of the problem.
    If customary use isn't upheld, many of our visitors are going elsewhere.
    So, there is no need for another connector anymore.
     
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  9. FactorFiction

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    A number of options have been looked at for another connector road. With every one of them there are common sense issues. Options either split the forest, damage wetlands, fauna, and wildlife habitat, too near to Watersound Parkway to make a difference, too near to 395 to make a difference, affect a neighborhood and on and on. Unfortunately, the favored option by those pushing for a road is along the power lines that already exist. Alabama Power may have issue with that (they own/have the easement), not to mention that Forestry is likely to say NO. About the only way I can imagine a road being approved at all through the forest would be to make it an elevated road and they cost big bucks so I find it hard to imagine Walton County spending the money for that. Worst of all is that all the St. Joe sector building that is going to occur over the next 50 years may end up using that road to get to the beach unless St. Joe is going to open up it's Watercolor/sound properties to their other developments. Building more roads typically brings more people. Just an unfortunate reality.
     
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  10. James Bentwood

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    Yes I think we'd be better served by adding turn lanes at existing signals on 30A and 98, and adding additional signals at danger points like next to 98 BBQ.

    The 395/30A signal is working. What is the deal with the lane in front of Seagrove Market that is closed? Is that meant to be parking for the restaurants?
     
  11. Everytime

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    I run through that area as there are some trails and sandy timber roads that connect Pt Washington State Forest and Deer Lake State Park including the powerline sandy road and it’s immediate vicinity. There are several osprey nests and a wetlands patch right in the middle of it, and I’ve seen racks or scat from just about every wild animal that’s native to the area. I guess this road is absolutely necessary to make the area more accessible to all the increasingly dense inland rental and residential development development development.
     
  12. Emerald Drifter

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    I have written the state and will again asking them to NOT approve the connector road. The state has to approve any roads going through the state forest. But that does not stop four of the BCC braintrust from thinking that giving $600,000 to an engineering firm is a good idea.
     
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  13. Shannon Lince

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    Excellent review of the issue. Once again, we have a solution in search of solving the wrong problem.

    The problem is the density of 30A is already past it's peak and now the county is making last ditch efforts to fix the over-density they created (or assisted the real estate industry in creating). These are bad decisions on top of bad decisions.

    This isn't rocket science, it's simple math. When you have a neighborhood of residential homes with 2 adults in each home, and then turn them into mini-hotels with occupancy of 20 people, all you need to do is look at the number of cars in the driveways. Those cars are going on 30A.

    There is only a need for more roads three months out of the year and tourist popular holidays. That should tell you all you need to know.

    Over-density is already here. The answer is not to destroy what unspoiled natural areas we have left. This is our moment to stop the madness.

    Shannon
     
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    Thanks for doing this - can you post the body of your letter and where you sent it please? I too would like to make my voice heard and I'm sure others would as well. I have no confidence in our BCC's ability to make appropriate growth or protection decisions.

    When I first heard about a road through a forest I realized these investors would burn down their neighbor's house to get more parking for their renters.

    Shannon
     
  15. James Bentwood

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    When Governor Scott was in town he said he would do whatever was needed to get you people your vital connector road.
     
  16. Low Brow

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    Is this for real?

    I would love to read a transcript if it exists.
     
  17. Amp22

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    It was in print. Think it's posted here.
     
  18. James Bentwood

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    Proposed Seagrove Road Through Point Washington State Forest

     
  19. einnadica

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    Too too bad the county doesn't have an engineer leading Roads and Bridges. Had a great one a while back but opted instead to hire an equipment operator to run the largest department of the BCC. Administration chases away the qualified professionals so their will be done though they lack expertise in many fields. They favor the corrupt so they can just take and take from the taxpayers. The corrupt won't tell, just as long as they get a share or bank a future favor. Just take a look at the professional histories of the current male administrators. With the installation of new board members things may change the county's rep and mission (does it have one) but only if commishes take a long hard look at those two. What with #MeToo, rising racial tensions, and hiring "friends" who are thieves, misogynists and illiterates I guess the lawsuits will continue. Where are the women in impactful positions? Where are the people of color in salaried positions? Commishes...wake up and serve your constituents, ALL of them and please, please, watch your administrators x 2.
     

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