Debarking dogs!

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  1. scooterbug44

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    I just saw this in the news - apparently some people feel the solution to barking dogs is to surgically cut their vocal cords so they cannot make noise.

    While I am certainly not a fan of incessantly barking dogs, this seems rather extreme and permanent - especially when training or a "bark collar" (that sprays something or shocks the dog) can accomplish the same thing.

    One of the Scooterhounds had a bark collar that he wore when we weren't home - it let him bark a certain number of times, then if he continued he got a zap. Seemed to be a very effective solution. (And it was freaking hilarious to see my mother test it for charge by holding it to her throat and barking.)

    NYT: Debarking to quiet noisy dogs losing favor - The New York Times- msnbc.com
     
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    I don't believe in removing vocal chords. A bark collar only the most dire situation....and, then only for training.

    I had a friend who brought his sheepdog to town and she was very jealous of The General (who had a deep bark). She barked incessantly. The sheepdog had a very high pitched bark that sounded like fingernails on a chalkboard..........it was rough when they were in town.
     
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    I haven't read the article and don't want to! but I shall just to be better informed about this awful thing! Permanently & surgically taking away a dog's ability to bark (talk) is so wrong on so many levels. I feel sick just thinking about the possiblity of this happening to any dog. and I can't imagine not hearing any pup of mine talk to me with all the many little noises they make to communicate their affection, love, hunger, desperate need to go out, etc.
     
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    Debarking is just plain cruelty to animals.

    Scooty, you mom did what?:eek::lol:
     
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    You had to charge the collar (sort of like a cell phone) - so she would "test" it to see if it needed to be charged - by holding it up to her throat and "barking" to see if it shocked her. :rofl:

    See, the insanity is genetic.
     
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    OMC! Insanity or that woman has a set.

    That being said, I'll have to admit that I have always wanted to feel what Pepper might feel if she got shocked by the invisible fence that was installed but has never used because I am afraid she'll get shocked.
     
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    Well?! How'd it feel?

    Seriously, this is the lazy persons solution. If you don't have to time to work with your dog and train it not to bark, you don't need one.
     
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    We once installed this for 1 of our labs. I did try it out to make sure it was ok. I definetly pulled my finger back but it by no means was terrible. Give it a try. We were able to fence in 1 1/2 acres for Buddy to run. We could never had afforded that with a regular fence.and it would have stuck out in our neighborhood. Besides after the initial training and I would say 3-4 months the batteries were dead most of the time. He was just trained to not try it.
     
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    Okay. Maybe one day I'll get up the nerve ...
     
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    so true! and I might add that even if your dog is well trained not to bark incessantly, sometimes a dog is just gonna bark during certain situations. let 'em. big deal. dogs deserve to biatch a little now and then. typically its when they are trying their best to protect you.
     
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    To clarify, that Scooterhound was so well trained and well behaved we took him everywhere (including to Mt. Rushmore where I pretended to be blind and using him as a guide dog because it was so hot, to my high school spanish class where I got points for teaching him command tenses (or hand signals so language didn't matter :blush:), he was my designated shotgun running errands at night, and he was welcome at Grandpa Scooterbug's assisted living facility because all the residents loved him).

    The bark collar was just because stupid neighbors complained (great moment when they left a note in the mailbox and Grandma Scooterbug marched up the street and told them it was a neighborhood with kids and dogs and maybe they should move to a rest home if it bothered them - and it turned out to be her visiting crazy dog that was the issue) so we put it on so we could say it wasn't him - he never wore it when we were home and was a very well trained doggie.

    Just can't imagine making it so your dog can't make ANY noise - it's only Feb and I have already apologized to Scooterhound multiple times for not properly responding to her noises and whines. Yes, she can communicate well w/ pounces and eyes, but noises sure help.
     
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    This is very awful. My husband works at an animal hospital. A client wanted to remove his dogs voice box and they refused to do it. So the owner took the dog to another vet which removed the box. Two days later the client came back in with his very sick dog. The dog had an infection from the surgery. There was not anything that could be done and the dog died. It is ashame that the owner caused the death of his dog, because he was selfish.
     
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    How is it not cruelty to animals to do this? :angry:
     

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