E-scooters in SoWal?

Discussion in 'All About SoWal' started by jodiFL, Jul 11, 2019.

  1. James Bentwood

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    Expecting the bad with the good is exactly why our quality of life is sinking. We should raise our expectations and maintain or raise our quality of life. We need leaders who keep expectations high. We'll never get such leaders if we ourselves allow our community to sink to the lowest common denominator.
     
  2. jodiFL

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    Just because we get millions of tourist a year doesnt mean we have to give up everything we hold dear to appease them. There are plenty of other places they can go if they want to have what other resort areas have for them. No where on the Walton County seal does it say "Tourism are the only thing that matters"
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  3. 30A Skunkape

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    Another e-scooter fatality in Atlanta last night...
     
  5. blindrid

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    Jodi: try 3-4 BILLION dollars income annually. They support property values, retail shops and subsidize our services. Take the numbers away and property values become soft, VRBO’s become nonexistent, etc.

    I don’t believe the demographics of this area support the scooter industry anyway so everyone is getting their shorts in a wad for little reason. Relax.
     
  6. UofL

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    I live in a neighborhood 660 miles from the beach. There is a golf course community across from our community and two other communities on the other side. Our community has the shops, restaurants, & concerts so over time golf carts have become popular. Because of a few bad drivers/owners, a small minority want to ban them. Why is that always the answer? A few ruin it so punish everyone else? After our last concert, apparently not all trash was disposed of properly so now the 'management' is threatening to end the concerts. Again, punishing all because of a few.
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  7. Will B

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    The single worst thing that I see regarding e-scooters...and I am immersed in them every weekend...is the fact that their business model is based on using them and leaving them wherever you wind up. I see hundreds of them every Friday and Saturday night all over sidewalks on their sides, on the steps in front of shops and restaurants, and anywhere else you can thing of. They look like discarded children toys.

    Do I think that they will be a Sowal issue? No. Seasonal use does not fit their business models, and they are not about picking up their inventory and moving it to chase money. They want a steady stream of revenue so that, in my humblest of opinions, does not make 30A particularly inviting for them.

    Now, with all that being said you can buy these things online and at Walmart for relatively little money so it's not beyond the realm of possibilities that they will show up, but they will be individually owned.

    On a tangent, though, and before everybody goes wild on the no motorized vehicles thing I noticed that Sowal has a bigger issue than e-scooters on the path. I found at least two, maybe three, vendors who are renting electric assist bikes. These are valid businesses so Walton county knows well and good where those bikes are going to be used.

    So here's your real issue. No motorized vehicles means no motorized vehicles. It doesn't mean these are OK, those are not OK, and the rest fall into a gray area. Until that gets clarified you have an unenforceable ordinance on the path. In the spirit of full disclosure, I own and ride a Onewheel (www.onewheel.com), and I do ride it on the path, but I do not ride like an ass hat, and I'm respectful of everybody on the path. The ordinance likely was written when the path was built and has not changed with the times. Back then there were only golf carts and ATV's. It's a whole new world.
     
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  8. bob1

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    Are you arguing that we should do everything we can to make tourists come here?
     
  9. jodiFL

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    Relax? Yea thats why I moved here long before those millions of tourists came. I got along just fine back then (still do). Dont plan on selling or borrowing any $$ on my already paid for home. Still have most of the same great neighbors in a non-VRBO area. The business owners that I know still have their businesses from back then...if they can make it when there was very limited tourism they are doing something right and I dont worry about them.. So your argument means nothing to me. A couple of million less tourist could be a good thing..less traffic,less stress, some of those income producing VRBOs could become the affordable housing so desperately needed in this area. This area was pretty cool before a bunch of folks trying to get rich at the expense of the nature,environment.and locals came in and made it all about making the almighty tourist dollar while they sit at home ,somewhere that is not here,and wait for that cash to hit the bank. Bet if their neighbors started putting up their houses on VRBO or AirBNB they would have a fit.
     
  10. bob1

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    You go girl! or You go boy!
     
  11. Will B

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    Up here in Atlanta we just had our fourth e-scooter fatality in a very short span of time. Today, the Mayor banned the use of all shareable e-scooters and e-bikes between 9pm and 4am. I don't think an outright ban is that far off. This shows that they can be managed at the local level, but it won't happen unless voices are heard...
     
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    So sad to hear about all those folks...not to mention the injuries we DONT hear about. In Dallas I saw not one helmet with any of them. If Florida requires a helmet for under 16 bicyclists where do these things fall under that law? I didnt see one helmet with any of those in Dallas. They are out there for anyone with a free app on their phone to use provided a credit card or paypal is attached to it. Hopefully our county attorney will investigate ALL the angles.....
     
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    Helmets required by all in Atlanta.
    Adherence to the law? Maybe 0.001%


    You can't fix stupid
     
  14. gingergirl526

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    Nashville, TN has a whole different vibe than our coveted time spent in Seagrove each year. We have roughly 7 scooter companies overseeing 4,000 (yes, four thousand) scooters in Nashville. The mayor wants to terminate their contracts, develop a strict process for oversight through the Transportation Licensing Commission and limit it to two scooter companies. They are left on sidewalks and block ramps for those in wheelchairs (bad). They’re an affordable public transit option for lower income locals (good). They can have their place in certain settings but you have to get a handle on it from the get go. We love visiting 30A and strictly respect and obey your beach regulations and local laws. We want to take care of what we are blessed to enjoy each year and preserve its atmosphere. It would be a bummer to see scooters in the area. The bicycles and golf carts are plenty.
     
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  16. stone packard

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    And how many bicycle fatalities in Atlanta? Maybe a better question would be how many bicycle fatalities have there been on the Emerald Coast? Any time people on small vehicles collide with large vehicles there will be injuries and fatalities.
     
  17. bob1

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    Wow dude - you're cold.
     
  18. stone packard

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    Maybe they can ban stupidity in Atlanta. Banning things and certain kinds of behavior always solves problems doesn't it?
     

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