How are you going to Vote on Amendment 1?

Discussion in 'Local Government and Groups' started by wrobert, Jan 4, 2008.

  1. Smiling JOe

    Smiling JOe SoWal Expert

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    Did you read the ballot, when you voted? I am pretty certain that mine read that it didn't apply to the taxes going to the school.
     
  2. jlweathers

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    correct in that they are seperate issues....but insurance reform much like the proposed tax reform is additional evidence that the proposals are relatively ineffective in accomploshing what the politicians would have you believe they will do.


    this speaks to my point as to why this is irrelevant. 10% appreciation will not occur anytime in the near future & likely should not ever occur. further, i am not out to protect people in "hot" neighberhoods but rather floridians in general


    i believe you are correct that the cost/benefit is inefficient; so don't sell this as reform & how much you are doing for small business owners.

    the mechanism to ensure that my "no" vote is not misinterpreted is simply being vocal....& i will let them know of my displeasure....will they listen & what great plan will they come up with next are the only questions.
     
  3. ecopal

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    Only some portions of the amendment will not affect school taxes.

    The #2 (Portability) and #3 ($25k tangible property exemption) portions of the amendment WILL directly affect schools.

    Broward county projects losing 144.5 million tax dollars over the next 5 years if this is passed. They also project they will have to layoff 1200 employees the first year.

    Check out these websites for further information.
    http://www.btuonline.com/PTAC_2007_home.htm
    http://www.browardschools.com/info/tax_reform.htm
     
  4. JustaLocal

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    I forgot to update this after I went to the WCTA meeting last week. I still think it is better not to keep making changes by constitutional amendment, but in this case have decided to vote YES.

    I believe the legislature will just throw up their hands and claim they really tried if it doesn't pass. I would hope they would go back and try again, but just don't believe they will. The portability and the tangible personal property tax parts are certainly better than nothing. Voting yes will not stop the work of the Florida Taxation and Budget Reform Committee.
     
  5. Andy A

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    I am of the opinion that it will go just the other way and the legislature, in their infinite wisdom, will say, "There, we fixed that problem!" and move on. I'd rather be able to call them and hound them to do something worthwhile after the amendment is defeated. Also, why can't it be a piece of legislation instead of an amendment to the Constitution? When pigs, bullet trains and class size become part of a state's Constitution, something is wrong with the legisative process in that state. Our legislature can and should be REQUIRED to do better.
     
  6. JustaLocal

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    I understand your point of view as well.

    The pregnant pig thing was what first turned me off of amendments. I can't remember what all was on the ballot that time, but it seems like there were maybe 11. I may have voted yes on one - keeping the death penalty? maybe. As it turned out, if I'm remembering correctly, all but one - maybe two - did pass. I was so disappointed. It is almost as if once it is on the ballot, it doesn't even have to make sense to pass.
     
  7. beachmouse

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    I liked the pregnant pig one because of unintended consequences. Those kinds of pig farms produce huge amounts of, um, pig waste. Like farmhands occasional drown in the 'lagoons' level of pig waste. Which is the last thing we need getting into potable water sources down here.

    So I saw a yes vote on the pig ammendment as more of an additional way of protecting drinking water sources than anything else.
     
  8. JustaLocal

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    At least two sides to every story.

    Just curious - what were the "unintended consequences?" Did the amendment help this problem?
     
  9. wrobert

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    The one pig farm that was doing it is now closed. Wonder if those workers found another job? Pork prices went up. That has to be a good thing cause pork is probably not the best thing for people to eat. And obesity is a problem in this country, so people not being able to afford food due to an increase in government regulation is probably a good thing.

    I guess I need to go back to work and quit trying to be funny this afternoon.
     
  10. beachmouse

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    The pig ammendment prevented an industry that produces large amounts of hazardous waste, and that is generally not well regulated compared to other types of haz-mat producing industries from setting up shop in the state.

    If the Carolinas or Iowa want to deal with the kinds of problems assocaited with that type of farming, then, hey, farmland for that type of hog production is probably cheaper there anyways.
     
  11. wrobert

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    Here is the amendment:
    Florida Animal Cruelty Amendment: Limiting Cruel and Inhumane Confinement of Pigs During Pregnancy
    Citation: Florida Amendment Article X Section 19
    Summary:
    This ballot proposal addresses the inhumane treatment of animals, specifically, pregnant pigs. To prevent cruelty to animals and as recommended by The Humane Society of the United States, no person shall confine a pig during pregnancy in a cage, crate or other enclosure, or tether a pregnant pig, on a farm so that the pig is prevented from turning around freely, except for veterinary purposes and during the prebirthing period; provides definitions, penalties, and an effective date.



    How in the world does this shut down pig production in Florida? Granted it was inhumane. My understanding is it was a practice done by one large operation in central Florida that stopped voluntarily when it received media attention. I would think we should be more concerned about phosphate mining if we are going to worry about water pollution. But back to unintended consequences. This amendment was used to get the voters to pass the 60% initiative, which now makes it harder for citizens to get something added to the constitution.
     
  12. Andy A

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    Back to the point I was originally trying to make. Why can't we do these kind of things through legislation? Much as I hate to say it, probably because the legislature as a whole is smarter and better informed than the general populace. Amending the constitution should be saved for more important things than pregnant pigs. WaltonGOP makes a good point about the 60% rule. Before that passed, as I remember, a simple majority could amend the constitution. A pure and simple disaster!
     
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    Two no votes from Casa Frog.

    Call me cynical, but I'm tired of being asked to accept this stuff that's being passed off to us as a good idea - by policiticians who are more interested in getting reelected than they are in the hard and politically risky business of tackling tough issues in a way that works in the public's long-term interest. Give us some statesmen and a little tough love, and we'll see real improvements for everyone, rather than pandering to special interests.
     
  14. Bob

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    SOH should never have been passed in the first place, but it did because of greed and the 50 percent threshold. No one has a firm grip on the "fix". Of all the posters here, who has recommended getting rid of the source of the problem? You folks are arguing over minutiae that won't change the source of the problem. It's not government in this case...it's bad law.
     
  15. TooFarTampa

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    Funny how the amendment about amendments passed with less than 60 percent! :floor:

    Regarding your main point, here is a nice summation from Howard Troxler, my personal guru of Reason and Sanity:

    "On the question of elections -- anything that changes the way property is taxed at less than full value (homestead exemption, Save Our Homes, etc.) has to be changed in our Constitution. But any kind of cap on millages, etc. could possibly be done by statute without an election, as were the millage rollback and prospecive caps passed last spring."
     
  16. wrobert

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    OKAY! Let's get rid of SOH. I am all for it. Total fairness in the tax system where we all pay on the values. Young, old, students, seniors, widowers, veterans. Let us make it totally fair.

    Now let me know just how the heck you would get something like that passed. Ain't gonna happen. Maybe that is why no one is discussing that as a possible fix.
     
  17. tiredtaxpayer

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    Now this type of talk just burns my a**!!

    My greed huh?? You think wanting some of my money back from a goverment that STEALS from you in the first place is a bad idea?? I work in south Walton and live in South Walton in a house that has lost 400,000 dollars in equity the last two years and you don't think I deserve a little relief from those freaking ninnies in Gov'Mint?

    If you got too much disposible cash I advise you to go down on 30A and start handing it out. I for one DO NOT put all of my trust in "so called" officals I continue to see WASTE our hard earned dollars on foolish pet projects that benefit few...a few examples you say???

    ----$260,000 [and growing] in signs that tell you, your are--- where you are.

    -----275,000 for cross walks that don't work.


    -----The Greenway Trail winds around South Walton High School and neighboring areas.

    The county paid $650,000 for the trail, which has been in the works since 1999 but was delayed because of legal issues dealing with the county?s property around the South Walton Courthouse Annex, Meadows said.

    And a multitude of others AND I STILL DON'T HAVE A DECENT PLAYGROUND FOR MY KIDS.

    VOTE YES IT'S A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
     
  18. JustaLocal

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    I disagree with you.
     
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    they really think we're schmucks don't they? pay no attention to the man behind the curtain............
     
  20. InletBchDweller

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    outcome? anyone?:dunno:
     

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