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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/06/magazine/06Economic-t.html?_r=1&hp By PAUL KRUGMAN
Published: September 2, 2009

I. MISTAKING BEAUTY FOR TRUTH

It?s hard to believe now, but not long ago economists were congratulating themselves over the success of their field. Those successes ? or so they believed ? were both theoretical and practical, leading to a golden era for the profession. On the theoretical side, they thought that they had resolved their internal disputes. Thus, in a 2008 paper titled ?The State of Macro? (that is, macroeconomics, the study of big-picture issues like recessions), Olivier Blanchard of M.I.T., now the chief economist at the International Monetary Fund, declared that ?the state of macro is good.? The battles of yesteryear, he said, were over, and there had been a ?broad convergence of vision.? And in the real world, economists believed they had things under control: the ?central problem of depression-prevention has been solved,? declared Robert Lucas of the University of Chicago in his 2003 presidential address to the American Economic Association. In 2004, Ben Bernanke, a former Princeton professor who is now the chairman of the Federal Reserve Board, celebrated the Great Moderation in economic performance over the previous two decades, which he attributed in part to improved economic policy making.

Last year, everything came apart.

Few economists saw our current crisis coming, but this predictive failure was the least of the field?s problems. More important was the profession?s blindness to the very possibility of catastrophic failures in a market economy. During the golden years, financial economists came to believe that markets were inherently stable ? indeed, that stocks and other assets were always priced just right. There was nothing in the prevailing models suggesting the possibility of the kind of collapse that happened last year. Meanwhile, macroeconomists were divided in their views. But the main division was between those who insisted that free-market economies never go astray and those who believed that economies may stray now and then but that any major deviations from the path of prosperity could and would be corrected by the all-powerful Fed. Neither side was prepared to cope with an economy that went off the rails despite the Fed?s best efforts.
 

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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/06/magazine/06Economic-t.html?_r=1&hp By PAUL KRUGMAN
Published: September 2, 2009

I. MISTAKING BEAUTY FOR TRUTH

It?s hard to believe now, but not long ago economists were congratulating themselves over the success of their field. Those successes ? or so they believed ? were both theoretical and practical, leading to a golden era for the profession. On the theoretical side, they thought that they had resolved their internal disputes. Thus, in a 2008 paper titled ?The State of Macro? (that is, macroeconomics, the study of big-picture issues like recessions), Olivier Blanchard of M.I.T., now the chief economist at the International Monetary Fund, declared that ?the state of macro is good.? The battles of yesteryear, he said, were over, and there had been a ?broad convergence of vision.? And in the real world, economists believed they had things under control: the ?central problem of depression-prevention has been solved,? declared Robert Lucas of the University of Chicago in his 2003 presidential address to the American Economic Association. In 2004, Ben Bernanke, a former Princeton professor who is now the chairman of the Federal Reserve Board, celebrated the Great Moderation in economic performance over the previous two decades, which he attributed in part to improved economic policy making.

Last year, everything came apart.

Few economists saw our current crisis coming, but this predictive failure was the least of the field?s problems. More important was the profession?s blindness to the very possibility of catastrophic failures in a market economy. During the golden years, financial economists came to believe that markets were inherently stable ? indeed, that stocks and other assets were always priced just right. There was nothing in the prevailing models suggesting the possibility of the kind of collapse that happened last year. Meanwhile, macroeconomists were divided in their views. But the main division was between those who insisted that free-market economies never go astray and those who believed that economies may stray now and then but that any major deviations from the path of prosperity could and would be corrected by the all-powerful Fed. Neither side was prepared to cope with an economy that went off the rails despite the Fed?s best efforts.

The free market is evil, and I'm a moderate republican ashamed of southerners - signed, Bob.
 

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Few economists saw our current crisis coming, but this predictive failure was the least of the field’s problems. More important was the profession’s blindness to the very possibility of catastrophic failures in a market economy. During the golden years, financial economists came to believe that markets were inherently stable — indeed, that stocks and other assets were always priced just right. There was nothing in the prevailing models suggesting the possibility of the kind of collapse that happened last year. Meanwhile, macroeconomists were divided in their views. But the main division was between those who insisted that free-market economies never go astray and those who believed that economies may stray now and then but that any major deviations from the path of prosperity could and would be corrected by the all-powerful Fed. Neither side was prepared to cope with an economy that went off the rails despite the Fed’s best efforts.

See, this is why I have taken issue with Krugman, because this had nothing to do with divisive politics, it had to do with common sense--something some economists lack; Krugman foremost for being a political hack and selling out his business.

Any macroeconomist worth his salt could have referred to history; the economic models of developing countries, irrational exuberance, lack of savings, debt pile up, lack of controls of the financial free markets..........there were dozens of other blaring signals. The fact that he states that some naively believed that Daddy Fed can make everything right with monetary policy is inconsiderate of your fellow colleagues.

Free market principles have and always will have their place in our economy. We just need to weed out the greed and cronyism that has prevailed and exercise some controls.
 

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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/06/magazine/06Economic-t.html?_r=1&hp By PAUL KRUGMAN
Published: September 2, 2009

I. MISTAKING BEAUTY FOR TRUTH

It’s hard to believe now, but not long ago economists were congratulating themselves over the success of their field. Those successes — or so they believed — were both theoretical and practical, leading to a golden era for the profession. On the theoretical side, they thought that they had resolved their internal disputes. Thus, in a 2008 paper titled “The State of Macro” (that is, macroeconomics, the study of big-picture issues like recessions), Olivier Blanchard of M.I.T., now the chief economist at the International Monetary Fund, declared that “the state of macro is good.” The battles of yesteryear, he said, were over, and there had been a “broad convergence of vision.” And in the real world, economists believed they had things under control: the “central problem of depression-prevention has been solved,” declared Robert Lucas of the University of Chicago in his 2003 presidential address to the American Economic Association. In 2004, Ben Bernanke, a former Princeton professor who is now the chairman of the Federal Reserve Board, celebrated the Great Moderation in economic performance over the previous two decades, which he attributed in part to improved economic policy making.

Last year, everything came apart.

Few economists saw our current crisis coming, but this predictive failure was the least of the field’s problems. More important was the profession’s blindness to the very possibility of catastrophic failures in a market economy. During the golden years, financial economists came to believe that markets were inherently stable — indeed, that stocks and other assets were always priced just right. There was nothing in the prevailing models suggesting the possibility of the kind of collapse that happened last year. Meanwhile, macroeconomists were divided in their views. But the main division was between those who insisted that free-market economies never go astray and those who believed that economies may stray now and then but that any major deviations from the path of prosperity could and would be corrected by the all-powerful Fed. Neither side was prepared to cope with an economy that went off the rails despite the Fed’s best efforts.


Almost everyone, economists, average joes, Bob, missed seeing the tech bubble stock market in 1999-2000. Almost everyone, economists, average joes, Bob, missed the real estate bubble of 2003-2005. Same thing with the current banking crisis.

Not many people are willing to go against the grain--especially when times are good.

Look at the folks that predicted the tech stock bubble burst, the real estate bubble burst and the banking crisis and there you will find the smart and self confident economists.

By the way, the banking crisis ain't over and neither is the recession. The next crash in the banks will be the result of huge amounts of commercial real estate debt that will go bad.
 
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The free market is hindered by an obtrusive government that introduces factors such as favoritism and cronyism that corrupt the process.

In considering Barney Frank, I see your point. :lol:

However, there must be a some regulation. There needs to be balance. With no regulation there are many who would abuse opportunity. This is my main disagreement with the Libertarian Party.
 

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The free market is hindered by an obtrusive government that introduces factors such as favoritism and cronyism that corrupt the process.
yes, the derivatives meltdown was the obtrusive government's fault
 
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