Well, I was going to be nice and not point out the one African American who was against health care reform.
Let's sum up the opposition to health care reform
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Well, I was going to be nice and not point out the one African American who was against health care reform.
See, that is where you, and all your very liberal compatriots are wrong. He's not against healthcare reform, he is against the way it was done, how much it will eventually cost and the fact those receiving good care will probably find they now receive mediocre care. As usual, you have your agenda, which IMO is totally flawed and I have mine. I agree with the one African American (I hate that phrase, what is the matter with American) although I am sure by doing a little searching I could easily find more. But then, I'll just have to accept that you're vast knowledge and experience prevails once again.
summing it up -
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Un505mz35dY&feature=player_embedded"]YouTube- 3 Reasons Health Care Reform Won't Cut The Deficit By One Thin Dime.[/ame]
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Un505mz35dY&feature=player_embedded"]YouTube- 3 Reasons Health Care Reform Won't Cut The Deficit By One Thin Dime.[/ame]
Again, he simply said no and offered up no viable alternative. His job is to get Republicans elected though and not actually make change so making it political was very much to his advantage.
This article is on the money. Op-Ed Columnist - The Rage Is Not About Health Care - NYTimes.com I realize it's nyt and Frank Rich but it says what's on a lot of our minds. I stated earlier that I think the overly hostile reaction against reform is really a reaction against perceived cultural upheaval in this country. A few quotes:
How curious that a mob fond of likening President Obama to Hitler knows so little about history that it doesn?t recognize its own small-scale mimicry of Kristallnacht. The weapon of choice for vigilante violence at Congressional offices has been a brick hurled through a window. So far.
No less curious is how disproportionate this red-hot anger is to its proximate cause. The historic Obama-Pelosi health care victory is a big deal, all right, so much so it doesn?t need Joe Biden?s adjective to hype it. But the bill does not erect a huge New Deal-Great Society-style government program. In lieu of a public option, it delivers 32 million newly insured Americans to private insurers. As no less a conservative authority than The Wall Street Journal editorial page observed last week, the bill?s prototype is the health care legislation Mitt Romney signed into law in Massachusetts. It contains what used to be considered Republican ideas.
To find a prototype for the overheated reaction to the health care bill, you have to look a year before Medicare, to the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Both laws passed by similar majorities in Congress; the Civil Rights Act received even more votes in the Senate (73) than Medicare (70). But it was only the civil rights bill that made some Americans run off the rails. That?s because it was the one that signaled an inexorable and immutable change in the very identity of America, not just its governance
But the explanation is plain: the health care bill is not the main source of this anger and never has been. It?s merely a handy excuse. The real source of the over-the-top rage of 2010 is the same kind of national existential reordering that roiled America in 1964.
How curious that a mob fond of likening President Obama to Hitler knows so little about history that it doesn?t recognize its own small-scale mimicry of Kristallnacht. The weapon of choice for vigilante violence at Congressional offices has been a brick hurled through a window. So far.
No less curious is how disproportionate this red-hot anger is to its proximate cause. The historic Obama-Pelosi health care victory is a big deal, all right, so much so it doesn?t need Joe Biden?s adjective to hype it. But the bill does not erect a huge New Deal-Great Society-style government program. In lieu of a public option, it delivers 32 million newly insured Americans to private insurers. As no less a conservative authority than The Wall Street Journal editorial page observed last week, the bill?s prototype is the health care legislation Mitt Romney signed into law in Massachusetts. It contains what used to be considered Republican ideas.
To find a prototype for the overheated reaction to the health care bill, you have to look a year before Medicare, to the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Both laws passed by similar majorities in Congress; the Civil Rights Act received even more votes in the Senate (73) than Medicare (70). But it was only the civil rights bill that made some Americans run off the rails. That?s because it was the one that signaled an inexorable and immutable change in the very identity of America, not just its governance
But the explanation is plain: the health care bill is not the main source of this anger and never has been. It?s merely a handy excuse. The real source of the over-the-top rage of 2010 is the same kind of national existential reordering that roiled America in 1964.
Related, Lucifer, to that NYTs op-ed are new stats quoted by the SPLC in their study of right wing extremism. Scary stuff:
When Right-Wing Extremism Moves Mainstream : NPR
When Right-Wing Extremism Moves Mainstream : NPR
I think Rich reads too much into this. Listen, we have all these wonderful, hugely expensive entitlement systems today, and they are all in the red. Yet here we are, our federal fiscal house in complete disarray, and what are we doing, implementing more entitlement programs. Every person I've spoken to that's against this has the same concern, we keep making these promises and only half heartedly commit to paying for them. Obama's budget has the United States borrowing trillions over the next decade, yet, these idiots in Washington don't seem to care, they think that's ok. They say, don't worry, we'll pay for all this, well, then how come the budget says we're going to be in the red to the tune of 90% of GDP after ten years? Nothing is completely paid for right now. A lot of Americans are saying enough.. it's something that's been building for three decades.
If Obama was really committed to this, he'd do what needs to be done - he'd raise taxes to actually pay for this and every other unfunded entitlement democrats have created over the years. But even with the majorities in Congress, and a supposed progressive mandate, the powers that be don't have the nuts to admit they can't pay for all of this without breaking a lot of campaign promises. So they shuffle costs around, delay implementation, underestimate costs, while promising free this and free that and don't worry, we won't touch your Medicare or social security.
In the end, this program will cost more than they estimated, the tax revenue will not materialize or will be appealed, and things will get worse. As I've stated before, I think we're on an unsustainable path. Congress doesn't care, they all make millions, and they'll be out of office and sitting up on a hill before the proverbial stuff hits the fan.
If Obama was really committed to this, he'd do what needs to be done - he'd raise taxes to actually pay for this and every other unfunded entitlement democrats have created over the years. But even with the majorities in Congress, and a supposed progressive mandate, the powers that be don't have the nuts to admit they can't pay for all of this without breaking a lot of campaign promises. So they shuffle costs around, delay implementation, underestimate costs, while promising free this and free that and don't worry, we won't touch your Medicare or social security.
In the end, this program will cost more than they estimated, the tax revenue will not materialize or will be appealed, and things will get worse. As I've stated before, I think we're on an unsustainable path. Congress doesn't care, they all make millions, and they'll be out of office and sitting up on a hill before the proverbial stuff hits the fan.
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30a, I would gladly concede that the bill is flawed, and I think most people would (what bill isn't?). Now compare your sane reaction to the demographic described by Rich. Do you see what I'm saying? There is something else going on. I believe there is a reaction to a cultural shift in this country that has nothing to do with this bill. You can't deny the cultural shift. Obama won Florida, Iowa, Indiana, Ohio, North Carolina, Virginia, Nevada, and Colorado. This shift frightens and angers a lot of people.
It would be my sincere hope that ALL read the above and consider it sincerely. It is as good a summation of our present situation as I've seen lately and dead on mark. We have reached a point in this country where it really doesn't matter whether you're a Democrat or Republican regarding the fiscal situation facing us and our heirs.
To put it in personal perspective. I pay my bills. All of them. I would be not only be chastised if I didn't, I'd be ashamed. Why is it our leaders seem to not understand our government should be as responsible as most of us are personally? I don't care if you are a Republican, Democrat, Conservative or Liberal it is a ludicrous situation that cries for solution.