Mosquito Control wants to spend $1.2 million for a new poison spray plane

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  1. Smiling JOe

    Smiling JOe SoWal Expert

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    South Walton Mosquito Control wants to spend $1.2 million for a replacement poison spray plane, so that we can continue to get sprayed with poisons as they try to kill mosquitos.

    Please send letters and emails to Gov Crist, requesting to stop the blanket spraying of poisons on us and our property.


    Gov Charlie Crist
    Office of Governor
    State of Florida
    PL-05 The Capitol
    Tallahassee, FL 32399-0001
     
  2. Mango

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    This may have been addressed already on a former thread, but what pesticide is used in the spraying process? Is it plant based?
    I wasn't aware there was a plane used now. I thought they only used the trucks.

    What would you propose to keep the skeeter population down? :dunno:
     
  3. Rita

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    Mango,
    Can't say what they are using there, but I think they still use Malathion in certain areas around Dallas. Many cities and towns just won't tolerate that nastiness anymore. I suspect it is Malathion they are spraying. Really not good for you or any of the beneficial insects either!:sosad:

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  6. Smiling JOe

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    Yes, currently they use a plane to spray poisons over the beaches, in addition to the spraying trucks.


    If you want to avoid bites by mosquitos, avoid being outside at dawn and dusk. Cover your skin with light colored clothing. Empty containers of standing water. Install bat houses and Martin houses, which eat many mosquitos. place screens on your porches and over your windows and doors. If you wish to be less attractive to mosquitoes, try using products that are unscented (i.e. hair spray, deodorant, soap, etc.) Lastly, if you want to inhale poison or have it soak through your skin, coat your own body with deet, not mine. Personally, I use homemade non-toxic solutions.

    When we start killing off one of the animals in nature's life cycle, others will suffer. We humans tend to forget that a whole world exist outside of our own human population.

    From South Walton's Mosquito Control (SWMC):
    "Mosquitoes play an important role in the ecosystem. During their aquatic phase, mosquitoes provide food for other aquatic insects such as dragonfly and damselfly nymphs, beetles, and water scorpions, fish, bacteria, fungus, frogs, and other water-dwelling animals. As adults, they provide food for bats, birds, other insects, lizards, and spiders. They also provide work for pesticide manufacturers:eek:, health specialists, mosquito control personnel, and entomologists. When mosquitoes feed on plant juices and flower nectar for energy, they perform the important service of pollinator to these plants."

    To me, it seems rather ironic that they would list the importance of mosquitos in our ecosystem, then follow it with the statement that they also provide work for pesiticide manufacturers and mosquito control personnel. :bang:

    Also from SWMC:
    Are the chemicals that Mosquito Control sprays harmful to people or pets?
    "The amounts of Mosquito Control chemicals that are sprayed out of the trucks and aircraft are not harmful to people or pets. However, as with any chemical, it is a good idea to keep exposure to a minimum. If you or your pet accidentally gets hit with the spray, you might feel a momentary slight burning or stinging sensation on the skin or in the eyes and may cough briefly if the spray is inhaled. The smell is usually worse than the taste or sting. Unless you are very sensitive or allergic to chemicals, washing your skin with water is all that is needed. At the low insecticide dosage used, no other symptoms should be experienced. If other symptoms are experienced, a physician should be notified immediately."



    Nowhere on there nice little website do they mention what they spray. Maybe they don't really want us to know, since their jobs rely on us not knowing. :dunno:


    According to the FL Dept of Agriculture, the planes spray Dibrom, which is an organophoshate, made of Naled, DDVP, and Naphthalene ( all three are listed as poisons, and the last two being noted as possible carcinogens) In the amounts which they spray it, it "kills insects on contact." (but of course it has no effect on humans -- right.)


    Organophosphate pesticides-

    Organophosphate pesticides (as well as [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarin"]Sarin[/ame] and VX nerve gas) irreversibly inactivate acetylcholinesterase, which is essential to nerve function in insects, humans, and many other animals.

    Organophosphate pesticides tend to degrade rapidly on exposure to sunlight, air, and soil, though small amounts can persist and end up in food and drinking water. While organophosphates degrade faster than the organochlorines, they have much greater acute toxicity, posing risks to farmworkers, pesticide applicators, and anyone else who may be exposed to large amounts. OP poisoning can be very serious and even cause death.




    Naled is moderately to highly toxic by ingestion, inhalation and dermal adsorption. Vapors or fumes of naled are corrosive to the mucous membranes lining the mouth, throat and lungs, and inhalation may cause severe irritation (9). A sensation of tightness in the chest and coughing are commonly experienced after inhalation (14). As with all organophosphates, naled is readily absorbed through the skin. Skin which has come in contact with this material should be washed immediately with soap and water and all contaminated clothing should be removed. Persons with respiratory ailments, recent exposure to cholinesterase inhibitors, impaired cholinesterase production, or with liver malfunction may be at increased risk from exposure to naled. High environmental temperatures or exposure of naled to visible or UV light may enhance its toxicity (9). (Even though South Walton Mosquito Control says that light breaks it down more rapidly.;-))



    The organophosphate insecticides are cholinesterase inhibitors. They are highly toxic by all routes of exposure. When inhaled, the first effects are usually respiratory and may include bloody or runny nose, coughing, chest discomfort, difficult or short breath, and wheezing due to constriction or excess fluid in the bronchial tubes. Skin contact with organophosphates may cause localized sweating and involuntary muscle contractions. Eye contact will cause pain, bleeding, tears, pupil constriction, and blurred vision. Following exposure by any route, other systemic effects may begin within a few minutes or be delayed for up to 12 hours. These may include pallor, nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, abdominal cramps, headache, dizziness, eye pain, blurred vision, constriction or dilation of the eye pupils, tears, salivation, sweating, and confusion. Severe poisoning will affect the central nervous system, producing incoordination, slurred speech, loss of reflexes, weakness, fatigue, involuntary muscle contractions, twitching, tremors of the tongue or eyelids, and eventually paralysis of the body extremities and the respiratory muscles. In severe cases there may also be involuntary defecation or urination, psychosis, irregular heart beats, unconsciousness, convulsions and coma. Death may be caused by respiratory failure or cardiac arrest (9).
    Some organophosphates may cause delayed symptoms beginning 1 to 4 weeks after an acute exposure which may or may not have produced more immediate symptoms. In such cases, numbness, tingling, weakness and cramping may appear in the lower limbs and progress to incoordination and paralysis. Improvement may occur over months or years, but some residual impairment may remain in some cases (9).
    Naled may cause dermatitis (skin rashes) and skin sensitization (allergies) (2, 6). It is corrosive to the skin and eyes and may cause permanent damage (3).


    From AMVAC Chemical Corporation ( the makers of Dibrom) :
    DANGER! POISON! CORROSIVE! An off-white to straw yellow liquid with a
    sharp, pungent odor that causes irreversible eye and skin damage. May be
    fatal if swallowed, inhaled or absorbed through skin and eyes. Is a
    cholinesterase inhibitor. Rapidly absorbed through skin. Repeated inhalation
    or skin contact may, without symptoms, progressively increase susceptibility to
    organophosphate (including Naled) poisoning. May be an aspiration hazard.
    May cause an allergic reaction.
    Product is combustible.
    Toxic to fish, birds, and other wildlife.
    :eek::eek::eek:It's no wonder that they don't tell us what they are spraying!



    All of the FAQ answers keep disclaiming that there are no human effects, when used according to label directions. (makes me want to know who is driving the spray trucks and planes and who is mixing the product.
     
  7. Mango

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    Thanks for the links ya'll, but I looked pretty hard and didn't see the pesticide used on the Mosquito Control site, and the thread link specifically says they spray for dog flies with the plane with Dibrom Naled, nothing about skeeters.

    The Dibrom Naled sounds dangerous and it doesn't seem like dog flies transmit disease. :shock: so if that is the case, why spend so much money on a new airplane? :dunno:
     
  8. Smiling JOe

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    Regarless of the airplane purchase, why spray it at all? As you say, Dog Flies are not transmitting disease. Interestingly, the SWMC was started by the SoWal Lions Club and the Chamber of Commerce. They don't want the tourists to be bothered by Dog Flies, but they don't mind spraying them, and the local residents, with poison, and they don't even tell us!:bang: In any other business in our country, a company would have to receive signed wavers from people it was going to spray with poison, but not when the gov't is the business. :bang::bang::bang:
     
  9. Rita

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    2 posts from the 2005 thread on this topic:

    Posted by namdub 10/19/05:

    1. "The state does the spraying, but the county commissioners enter into a contract with the state. If the county commissioners don't ask for the spraying, it doesn't happen. So, contact your county commissioners about the spraying for both dog flies and mosquitos. All pesticides are harmful to living organisms. I don't want any of that stuff sprayed anywhere near me, my kids, my friends or even my worst enemies. Just a few minutes of research on the net will tell you that all of the mosquito, dog fly and other pesticides are very dangerous to your health. I would rather be attacked on the beach by dog flies than poisoned.

    Please send a letter to the county commissioners."

    2. "You can see the list of folks that run the dogfly program out of the PC area at the following site http://www.flaes.org/pesticide/contact.html. Send them some emails with your concerns."

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    Dog fly bites hurt. I'm for the plane.

    I realize that's an unpopular view here, but I am very personally against dog flies.
     
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    I agree SJ. Why spray at all. Thanks for the link Rita. I didn't have time to read the whole thread. Late for my nephews 1 year b-day party.

    On the skeeter note, I never have seen any bats while in sowal.
    Perhaps because I am more on the beach at dusk, but we do have woods behind us, and I haven't seen any.
    I will install bat houses on our grounds property if they would use them, but not sure if they are scared away by 30A noise?

    I put them on my grounds in NY, but they prefer my siding, which is fine with me. ;-)
     
  12. Rita

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    Here's a link to a chemical fact sheet from the Cornell University Pesticide Management Program.
    http://pmep.cce.cornell.edu/profiles/insect-mite/mevinphos-propargite/naled/insect-prof-naled.html

    A little info gleaned from the fact sheet:

    Naled is characterized as very highly toxic to bees and aquatic
    invertebrates. It is moderately to highly toxic to fish and
    slightly toxic to upland game birds and waterfowl.
    - Naled has numerous data gaps in areas of product chemistry, residue
    chemistry, toxicity, environmental fate, and ecological effects. The
    Agency cannot conduct a full risk assessment until the data required
    in the naled Standard are submitted and evaluated.

    This product is toxic to fish, aquatic invertebrates, and
    wildlife. Do not apply directly to water or wetlands. Runoff
    from treated areas may be hazardous to aquatic organisms in
    neighboring areas. Do not contaminate water by cleaning of
    equipment or disposal of wastes.

    - This product is highly toxic to bees exposed to direct treatment
    on blooming crops or weeds. Do not apply this product or allow it
    to drift to blooming crops or weeds while bees are actively
    visiting the treatment area.
    - The following General Warnings and Limitations statements must
    appear on end-use product labels which bear directions for aquatic
    use on food or feed crops:
    - Do not use with highly alkaline materials such as lime or
    bordeaux mixture. Shrimp and crabs may also be killed at
    application rates recommended. Do not apply to tidal or marsh
    waters which are important shrimp-producing areas.

    :shock:

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    Good grief! How could anyone or anything possibly be alive after this stuff has been carpet bombing the environment for decades?:roll:
     
  14. For The Health Of It

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    Upon researching and contacting the Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services Bureau of Entomology and Pest Control it was and is determined that the airplane is spraying DIBROM NALED.
    The agency provides a twelve page document pertaining to this Pesticide to anyone who cares to ask. We asked, and after reviewing it, we all must be in FEAR.

    The opening paragraph titled PRECAUTIONARY STATEMENTS lists HAZARDS TO HUMANS AND DOMESTIC ANIMALS, DANGER. It reads as follows: ? Causes irreversible eye and skin damage. May be fatal if swallowed, inhaled or absorbed through the skin. May cause allergic skin reaction. Do not get in eyes, on skin, or on clothing. Do not breath spray vapor or spray mist.? Further down the document it states, ? atropine sulfate is antidotal?. Isn?t atropine sulfate the product the United States Department of Homeland Security advises our citizens to keep handy and use if we come under nuclear and or chemical/biological attack from terrorists?

    Environmental Hazards are also spelled out on the first page of this long document. It includes, ? this pesticide is toxic to fish, aquatic invertebrates, and wildlife.

    Potential health effects of exposure to DIBROM NALED include, headache, nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, abdominal cramps, excessive sweating, salivation and tearing, constricted pupils, blurred vision, tightness in chest, weakness, muscle twitching and confusion. In extreme cases, unconsciousness, convulsions, severe respiratory depression and death may occur.
     
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    Please stop scaring people. Almost any drug or chemical can be toxic if the dose is large enough. The amount of this stuff released to whack bugs is scant relative to the concentrations studied in the lab causing the adverse effects listed above. It is no different than saccharin carrying the cancer warning. Just think about it for a minute-many counties countrywide have pest control measures in place that use organophosphates and other compounds. Furthermore, consumers use the living heck out of similar compounds in the home;if cause and effect were so simple, you would see all order of animals displaying signs of organophosphate toxicity. It just isn't happening.
     
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    Just answering the above asked question of what the plane is spraying. I also took every word straight from the fact sheet. If this a scaring you or other people, it comes from the fact sheet not me. Maybe further research as to long term effects of the use and how it is stored in the human lymphatic system should be done here. Maybe small amounts over years of time build up into large amounts stored in the human body. I do not claim to know all the answers just asking questions to see what harm it is doing.
     
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    Does anyone know if other States have banned the use of these types of pesticides. I think I read somewhere that New York State and California did not use this type of pesticides. Someone once told me that Georgia banned it as well. It would be interesting to see what alternative Georgia is using if this is true. Georgia is at least close and has some of our same natural environments. I have to say, I like the fact that people are bringing concerns to the forum here. If questions are not asked who is to really know if we are safe.
     
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    I agree skunky that peaboy was listing effects of direct exposure and that the amounts used in flight would not constitute direct exposure.

    The common consumer though has a choice though in what they use as far as environmental toxins are concerns.

    I can see the use of certain pesticides against disease carrying insects, but dog flies do not constitute a threat to humans, so IMO why bother introducing more environmental pollutants than absolutely necessary?

    Has anyone noticed any noticeable difference in the dog fly population?

    This was a problem in LBI, NJ where we vacation for a week in summers, but they used fly catchers that were installed and this helped significantly.
     
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    I live in New York and they banned the use of certain pesticides like Diazonon which were found to have neurological effects on children 3 and younger. I am not sure what class of pesticide Diazonon is.

    We can only used Permethrin. [ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permethrin[/ame]
     
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    Fine, live in fear if you so choose. Now, I need to go insert an MSDS fact sheet on Dawn detergent in the good old toxins binder. :roll:
     

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