Mosquito Control wants to spend $1.2 million for a new poison spray plane

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  1. rapunzel

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    Oh my God, now you are telling me my hair products are carcinogenic? You can have my Rene Furturer when you pry it from cold, tumor-addled hand. ;-)

    I worked at a breast cancer center, and women -- smart, well-meaning women with the zeal of missionaries -- would come in on a regular basis with research and proof that milk/chicken/beef/hair dye/deodorant/antibacterial soap/vaccines/pesticides/copier toner/Judaism/alcohol/sushi/aluminum/soy definitively caused breast cancer and urge me to quit any and all of these things because my life depended on it.

    One lady told me breast cancer was God's judgment upon those of us who did have children for selfish reasons. Well, there is good research, peer-reviewed, that shows women who never have children have higher rates of ductal carcinoma in situ, and women who have children and go on to breast feed them have even lower rates. Of course, fertility drugs also effect estrogen receptors, so sometimes you can't win for losing.

    Judaism also has a strong correlation with breast cancer rates, but that is because Jewish women of eastern European descent are more likely to be carriers of a BRCA gene mutation that causes breast cancer whether no matter how organic your food or frizzy and unattractive your hair.

    Other than those two 'causes' there were no peer reviewed scientific studies to prove any of these things cause cancer. If I believed all the anecdotal evidence, I'd be afraid to do anything but live wild in a cave or have prophylactic mastectomies.

    With that said, working in that clinic did raise my awareness of food and agribusiness. I worry about pesticides, but not nearly as much as I worry about food. The hormones that go into animal and dairy products scare me, as does genetically modified food.

    Being in New Orleans this week, I have remembered how wonderful it is to have access to a farmers market. It is so nice to be able to get rgh free milk, butter, fresh and hormone free eggs, fresh organic produce, free range chickens, and local honey.

    I guess we all have to choose our battles, or be driven crazy worrying about all the possible dangers.
     
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    I have a question for you all (or two)....

    What is your skin? Isn't it the LARGEST organ in/on your body?

    Why are pharma companies now using transdermal drug patches? What would be the use if nothing was absorbed through your skin? You didn't say that, but in regards to the various chemicals discussed, wouldn't even a reduction in the various chemicals & the levels of them in your products be pretty important?

     
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  3. tuck

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    How many people come in complaining of rashes? Somewhere in this long thread weren't strange conditions such as rashes a concern for the use of Dibram Naled and the pesticides that mosquito control uses? Questions need to be asked?
     
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    :clap_1: Thank you, Tuck!:popcorn:
     
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    I agree that things do absorb through your skin. I think it's perfectly within the realm of reason that Sodium Laurel Sulphate is a skin irritant, and is probably particularly bad for sensitive people. Personally, I use Cetaphyl for my face and Soap Peddler soap for my skin. I pick by battles, as I said... I have had excema in the past, so I'm careful...but shampoo has never bothered me.

    I only wanted to make the point that there are so many people out there that will tell you that this or that causes disease X. You have to follow your gut and not be consumed with fear about everything. Hold your government accountable for the chemicals they spray, be involved, ask questions. If you are worried about breast cancer because of a family history or if you have nasty scabs on your scalp and your hair is falling out, then do your research. When you do that research, be healthily skeptical about where your evidence is coming from, and do what you feel is right for you. Everyone is going to have a different risk vs. sacrifice tolerance.

    Working in health care, I saw a lot of stuff that made me view holistic medicine with a skeptical eye. I have seen women spend every cent they have a chelation therapy to resorb the deodorant aluminum salts from their systems to prevent the recurrence of cancer. They'd put their feet in an electro-charged footbath that would turn black after an hour. Two of four had metastatic disease within two years, which is way higher than the typical odds. I also had a few patients come to us after going to a very prominent holistic care center (you'd recognize the name) all in horrible shape with advanced disease. One was released and pronounced cancer free and when she sent us pictures of her breast and you could actually see where the tumor was puckering the skin. The holistic practitioner had told her that the puckered skin was normal. I had to tell this woman over the phone (she was in Arizona, I was in New Orleans) that her disease was to advanced to be treated and she would die. The woman was a prominent, beautiful RE agent from Phoenix, and had gone to the holistic treatment center because they told her they cured breast cancer all the time without surgery or chemo so she could keep her breasts and her hair. She paid them $80,000 of her own cash to kill her.

    Skunky once had a pediatric patient with a devoted mother who was very concerned about protecting her child from pesticides and chemicals and meat. The mother took her child to live on an organic farm and they led a vegetarian lifestyle. The daughter came to Skunky with rickets. Worse, even after the doctors explained to the woman what was wrong with her daughter, and tried to explain to her what she modifications she could make to the girls diet to help her get better, she still refused to give the child any milk or sound substitutions until they were on the verge of calling child and family services.

    Healthy skepticism, doing what you can without torturing yourself or worrying about too many things you can't control, and wearing deodorant in hot, crowded places...these are the keys to making the most of the days we have.
     
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    You are very correct. I feel that if we were able to integrate the two sides of health care, we'd be a lot better off. However, I am also realistic enough to know that it's probably not going to happen anytime soon.

    IF people went the holistic way for prevention and didn't wait until the last freaking minute and expect it to work QUICKLY & IMMEDIATELY, it wouldn't be seen as quackery as much. It works and is viable, but my personal experience is that when things get BAD.... a combo from an experienced practitioner is best OR going with allopathic medicine. We have a great MD that is working with my husband and he recommends what he KNOWS will work, whether it's a supplement (when it will be useful and successful) and/or drugs (when immediate relief is needed). He's very wise and the first MD that my husband has put faith in in 46 years.

    Also, there is the whole spectrum mental/emotional issues that go into illness that aren't even able to be discussed here.... Skunky, don't start.....;-)

    Thanks for your insights! They are so well-thought out and great!

    BTW, the spray truck went down this end of 30-A at 9pm. We missed being out and about by 5 minutes. Truly glad I made it in before it passed. Sorry but having 3 young children, I don't play with things like that very well.


     
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    There are idiots everywhere! :shock: Wow!

    I was a vegetarian for 8 years, gained 25Lbs, thought I had ulcerative colitis and then realized that I was allergic to soy. :dunno: Luckily, I am not the type that thinks everyone should be a vegetarian and never believed my children should be. I now grudgingly eat chicken & turkey (free-range, of course!) and other than being a nursing mama who can't just diet however I want to, I don't have the health problems.
     
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    Hey Skunky, if you are in town, quickly run out to the street. The Poison Truck is passing your house about now. Maybe you can still catch it. I hear that if one follows closely behind the truck for the distance of 1000 meters, he never has to wear Meta-N,N-diethyl toluamide (known by a not as scary word -- DEET) again.

    Does anyone want to explain to me why the Poison Truck is running when we haven't had standing water in a long time?

    It is nice weather outside, and I had planned to keep my doors and windows open, but I guess I will have to close them off, turn on the a/c and burn some coal in the process as well as running up the cost of my power bill.
     
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  9. Miss Kitty

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    We used to run behind the mosquito truck for thrills in Houston when I was growing up. Didn't effect me, did it? :D I did love that smell.
     
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    ...and I use to carry around Mercury in my pen top in the 9th grade. We traded Mercury like it was a hot commodity, and everyone wanted some because it was so cool. I'm not dead yet, but...
     
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    I should be dead.
     
  12. rapunzel

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    The saddest thing about it was that the woman really did mean well, she was a member of this commune and after years and years of hearing about the evils of pesticides and medicines she thought she was doing what was best for the child. It just took her a while to accept that maybe she rejected one dogma only to embrace another.

    And just to kind of demonstrate my point about perspectives and doing the things that speak to us...when I read that you spent 8 years eating soy for protein, I just want to hug you and say a little prayer. Soy scares me more than that truck...When I eat edamame I feel the way I think most people feel when they smoke a cigarette.
     
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    Doesn't the poison still make it inside if you turn on the A/C? I know I've witnessed the death throes of many an insect inside my cottage after the truck passes.

    How is the Mosquito Control Board selected? Are they appointed or elected? Do you know what their qualifications are?
     
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    There are so many things to enjoy in Walton County's great outdoors year around. Whether you are enjoying a backyard barbeque, hiking, swimming, or just relaxing, nothing spoils the fun faster than the mosquito. (sounds like they are really concerned with Malaria)


    South Walton County Mosquito Control District is an Independent Special Taxing District. It was established on May 26, 1964 by referendum under Chapter 388, Florida Statutes, through the efforts of the South Walton Lions Club, and the Walton County Chamber of Commerce for the sole purpose of controlling disease-bearing arthropods and nuisance insects to improve the quality of life in beautiful South Walton County in Northwest Florida. It operates under Chapter 388, Florida Statutes and Rule 5E-13 under the Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services, Bureau of Entomology and Pest Control. These services are provided through the levying of a local ad valorem tax, and matching funds from the State of Florida.

    South Walton County Mosquito Control District is governed by a three member Board of Commissioners, elected by the voters within the District; each Commissioner serves a four-year term. A Director is appointed by the Board to oversee the operations.

    Current Board:
    DIRECTOR: Gary D'Andrea
    Board of Commissioners:
    Charlie Burke
    James "Jim" Crawford
    John J. Magee

    I doubt there is much in the way of qualifications, but they are not listed here. I searched on the website for the FL Dpt of State - Division of Elections, and found the following message,

    "Qualifying information for the Candidates of the 2008 election will be posted to this web site as soon as it is available. Please check back for this information."

    Other than paying an entry fee and maybe having a few signatures of support, I doubt there is much to qualifying, other than being connected to County Politricks.
     
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    :lolabove: :lolabove: :lolabove: :lolabove: :lolabove: :lolabove: Sometimes I still crave a veggie burger... yes, I know some of you are throwing up right now..... and I feel like I'm killing myself when I eat it. I'm a vegetarian at heart, but I know it's not healthy for me. Japanese eat soy in small amounts, not in the supersize amounts we eat it here. That's kind of my whole point with Skunky about the safety of herbs. There's a whole lotta herbs that have been used safely for 1000s of years but we have to go and one up it and pull the active ingredients out and standardize them to hell. That's a sure-fire way of killing one's liver and other organs.

    I know that mom meant well. That is the saddest thing. There is a balance in all of this. We all make mistakes, it's knowing when change is needed that's important. Skunky, you're a lucky man!
     
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    Okay, so with what we have & what we want to achieve.... what do we need to do? As I have said, ideally, we'd like to have no spraying but because of "County Politricks" we know that ain't gonna happen with a wave of my wand. :floor: In saying that at least we need to look at a reduction in the pesticides used and alternative methods, I feel that we can be less threatening and not have so much rejection tossed in our faces. Heck, if someone told you, SJ, that you had to start using RoundUp ASAP, you'd be pissed off also. Not that I am pinpointing you at all, but I am saying we have to be compassionate & considerate while working towards our goal. A little sugar coating goes a long way with this and we need to not totally alienate those that can say STFU.

    Speaking of Monsanto, here's a good link from Grist today:
    http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2007/5/7/173710/3530?source=food
     
  17. tuck

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    This thread has gone from one topic to another all to do with chemicals, sprays, concerns, facts, fictions, beliefs, this study-that study, on and on. The one thing that makes sense to me is having a choice.

    I like to understand where the research comes from. Who pays for each study? When I read the material that 30Skunk quotes, it makes me wonder who the money behind the study was. Same as when I read the studies posted by the alternative people. What is the agenda of the researchers? Research is tainted everyday by what the money spenders wish for the results to be.

    Rapunzel stated earlier that, " Oh my God, now you are telling me my hair products are carcinogenic? You can have my Rene Furturer when you pry it from cold, tumor-addled hand." That is your choice to continue to use the product. Some feel it would not be safe, you may feel it is, but you have the choice.

    When we are blanket sprayed with chemicals we no longer have the choice. This gets back to the initial thread topic about the airplane, not the trucks. With an airplane spraying, the people who have requested no spray zones no longer have the choice. That can not and should not happen. I have a family member with CLL, Chronic Lymphatic Leukemia. Do we want to be sprayed, hell no.

    I would like the people who have posted that alternatives are available to please state what they are and the means to which they are applied. I think we all should be in agreement that mosquito control needs to exist, maybe with some changes, but it needs to exist.
     
  18. 30A Skunkape

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    Peaboy, just to clarify, I had a moderate dermatitis that cleared after three days, I do not think it was anything else. Also, I see plenty of rashes but I am not saying there is a menacing trend to public health emerging, simply that many people complain of rashes that are benign and resolve in short order whose etiology is unknown.

    I never said I didn't care about what products were being used in pesticides, cosmetics,etc, simply that there isn't any good data to suggest that we are sending people to the cemetery in short order. I agree with all involved that we should be careful to understand what we are introducing into the environment, what we apply to our skin and what we consume.

    Now, I didn't quote it because it was too long, but your first post became a mess of cutting and pasting of off-the-wall claims. Did you notice the nugget regarding developing AIDS after using some sort of toothpaste?! What is that all about? You have posted a list of mumbo jumbo that can serve as a case study of internet junk science...and then you provide a link that takes you to a similar page of unsubstantiated medical claims (plus our friend the skull and crossbones!), and with one click from that page, you are taken to the website of the outfit trying to get you to sell their junk herbs in a multi-level marketing scheme...do you sell that stuff?:dunno:
     
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    Actually, Peaboy has done us all a great favor by providing this link. If you want to see what quackery is, do the link. The homepage is menacing and scares the poop out of you by linking a common ingrdient in shampoos to a myriad of pathology...but you can relax, you can click on a link to find out about healthy, alternative products that will keep you from dying young in the name of clean hair...and the link brings you to an outfit's website where you can buy their safe shampoo and become an independent distributor as well!

    And I looked into the AIDS from toothpaste deal. As it turns out, some brilliant soul has discovered that flouride in toothpaste weakens the immune system to the point of worthlessness, so, there is a silent epidemic of folks with 'non-viral' AIDS thanks to toothpaste!!! Amazing! How this guy was overlooked by the Nobel Prize in Medicine committee is beyond me:roll: No worry, you can click the link and get in on selling toothpastes that do not cause AIDS:clap_1: Actually, the conspiracy theories surrounding flouride have been around for years and I think this is one that is waning in popularity because so many municipalities are flouridating their water now and people are not keeling over, it is becoming a very hard sell.:lol: You can read more on snopes about the flouride hysteria, I am sure.
     
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    Relax, not too many. I am sure that rash can occur from exposure to Dibram Naled...but then again, you can develop a rash from just about anything in the environment, (including HERBS like poison ivy:funn: ) so I don't think you can quite make the connection!
     

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