Petition to Ban Confederate Flag from Walton County Courthouse

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  1. Beauford

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    https://www.change.org/p/walton-cou...derate-flag-from-the-walton-county-courthouse



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    We need your help to remove the Walton County Courthouse's Confederate Flag. For a third time since 2002, we are petitioning Walton County Commissioners and concerned citizens plan to attend an upcoming July meeting (date TBD) with this petition showing the support of those near and far who request whole-heartedly this flag be removed from government property.

    Why removed the Confederate Flag from the front of the Walton County Courthouse? Why now?

    Symbols of hate have no place in our government property, especially the Courthouse, a place for justice for all

    The Confederate flag is not a symbol of southern pride but rather a symbol of rebellion and racism.

    On the heels of the brutal killing of nine African-American people in a South Carolina church by a racist terrorist, it's time to put that symbol of rebellion and racism behind us and move toward healing and a better United States of America starting with our local community.

    Take the Confederate flag down and show love and respect of all. Place it in a museum and never forget it's historic significance and all it stands for. Show true Southern pride in ourselves and our community by flying the American Flag, the flag of unity, freedom and justice for all, over the Civil War Memorial on our Walton County Courthouse lawn.

    Questions? Contact Michelle Uhlfelder at michuhlfelder@me.com.
     
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  2. Cuff

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    Stunned to learn that symbol of brutality is flying here. I don't have reason to get to the courthouse. Today Strom Thurmonds son , Paul , gave a passionate speech to take this thing down. I liken it to proudly flying the Nazi swastika flag. Sad part of our heritage that must not be forgotten but best preserved in a museum. Where do I sigh?
     
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    The best use of that flag in a memorial is to bury someone wrapped in it.
     
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    If they wish to fly an appropriate Confederate flag they should hoist the white flag of surrender.
     
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    The flag displayed at the Courthouse is part of a memorial to those from Walton County who died in the Civil War. It is a historical site and no different than the British, French and Spanish flags that are displayed in Pensacola, New Orleans, St. Augustine and other places. Those places also display the Confederate flag as part of a historical display. The memorial simply respects people who died over 150 years ago but who have descendants who still live here.
    I simply do not understand the comment above about burying someone in the flag. That comment could be taken as hate speech far more than displaying an historical relic.
     
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    It's not hate speech. It means keep the goddam thing out of sight.
     
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    There is a big difference Danny. It respects people who died trying preserve the right to continue enslaving their fellow man, to deny them the right to live free. It disrespects the descendants of those who were enslaved. It should be an insult to us all.
     
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    Personally, i don't think we have to honor or show respect for those who died for either side. I just think we should be pleased that the Confederacy lost and not the other way around.
     
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    That is your prerogative since you live in a free country and get to choose. If nothing else a flag should remind us that war is pointless. The same mentality that makes people fly them is related to the mentality of aggression. Pride is poison. Ads a great man once said, "this aggression will not stand, man!

    Let's agree to allow a flag to fly and not get killed for it.

    On a side note, I appreciate this site allows free discussion and doesn't censor people like on facebook.

    Will this flag image get removed? Will I be censored? Will it get banned? Will someone see this and want to hurt me? Kill me? A symbol is just a symbol. It's people that give it power. Fight the POWER! [Public Enemy - Fear of a Black Planet Album]



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  11. Danny Glidewell

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    Poppy, most of those, especially from Walton County, who fought and died were too poor to own slaves. In fact, Walton County opposed succession when it was voted on. They fought to protect their homes and state. The remembrance of them is not racist nor does it seek to revive some long discredited belief.
    What really bothers me about this is that we are making knee jerk reactions to an unbelievable tragedy while ignoring the really serious issues. Does anyone seriously think that all of this attention to an historical relic is going to end real racism or bigotry? IMHO it is a useless gesture that gives everyone warm fuzzy feelings while we continue to ignore the real issues. Not to mention that in this county we have serious problems that need attention far more than whether or not a 150 year old flag flies at the courthouse. Things like $600,000 "missing" from the Planning Dept or how the protections of our coastal lakes have been changed and if those lakes are now in danger. I guarantee you there are several members of the powers that be that will love debating the flag instead of those issues.
     
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    Many wars are pointless, but not the civil war. It ended slavery a fact which it seems many just can't get over. No one is forcing any state to remove the flag. If states wish to continue flying this flag they are free to do so, but there will be consequences both politically and economically.
     
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    Good points - can you start a new thread about missing money?

    The real issues are lack of education and travel (to prevent bigotry and promote tolerance), and the lack of proper mental health care for those who need it.
     
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    The only "feel good" policy I'm aware of is coming from those who would feel really good if this issue were just swept under the rug. Don't you just love the "there are much more serious issues" argument? In the case of the flag, I think civil disobedience might send a message and achieve desired results. Seeing as it's the courthouse, citizens could refuse to honor your calls to jury duty until this flag is taken down.
     
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    If they have a memorial statue why is that not enough ? Why do they also have to have that flag. I seriously doubt that everyone in Walton County was to poor to own slaves. There is some old money folks over there.
     
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    IT, I said "most" not "everyone."
     
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    Well of course many who fought were to poor to own slaves, what the hell does that have to do with the reason for going to war and what does the planning dept have to do with this? WTF?

    Here Danny let one of the Confederate leaders explain it to you, he couldn't have been clearer about what they were fighting for. He even throws in a little Godly justification.

    Confederate Vice President Alexander Stephens' "Corner Stone Speech" in Savannah on March 21, 1861
    The Constitution of the CSA:
    Read some of these:
    South Carolina Secession Statement
    Mississippi Secession Statement
    Texas Secession Statement
    Georgia Secession Statement
     
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    The beginning of paragraph 10 of the "Corner Stone" speech. Certainly nothing to be proud of. I have ancestors who fought for the CSA, I think they were wrong. The flag belongs in a museum, not proudly flown on public property. If people fly on their property, that's there business. If gives all who see it a good indicator of what kind of people they are.
     
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    MYTH - The War of 1861 - 1865 was fought over slavery. FACT - The North fought the war over money. When the South started Secession, Lincoln was asked, "Why not let the South go in peace?" To which he replied, "I can't let them go. Who would pay for the government?" Sensing total financial ruin for the North, Lincoln waged war on the South. The South fought the War to repel Northern aggression and invasion.



    MYTH - Only Southerners owned slaves.

    FACT - Entirely untrue. Many Northern civilians owned slaves. Prior to, during and even after the war.

    Surprisingly, to many history impaired individuals, most Union Generals and staff had slaves to serve them! William T. Sherman had many slaves that served him until well after the war was over and did not free them until late in 1865.
    U.S. Grant also had several slaves, who were only freed after the 13th amendment in December of 1865. When asked why he didn't free his slaves earlier, Grant stated "Good help is so hard to come by these days."
    Confederate General Robert E. Lee freed his slaves (which he never purchased - they were inherited) in 1862. Lee freed his slaves several years before the war was over, and considerably earlier than his Northern counterparts. And during the fierce early days of the war when the South was obliterating the Yankee armies!

    Lastly, and most importantly, why did NORTHERN States outlaw slavery only AFTER the war was over? The so-called "Emancipation Proclamation" of Lincoln only gave freedom to slaves in the SOUTH! NOT in the North! The state of Delaware rejected the 13th Amendment in December of 1865 and did not ratify it (13th Amendment / free the slaves) until 1901.


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    Sorry if these facts make some of those that want to revise history uncomfortable.

    Here in this link Leland Summers, Division Commander of the Sons of Confederate Veterans says it best: http://www.charlestoncitypaper.com/...nfederate-veterans-on-mother-emanuel-shooting

    And, yes, there were black as well as white soldiers in the Confederate military. They were all trying to protect their homeland.
     
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