Petition to Ban Confederate Flag from Walton County Courthouse

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  1. mputnal

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    Let me clarify my last statement. Not everyone is saying that we must give up our heritage but there are a few. Most are saying "be sensitive and remove the flag only from the courthouse out of respect". Others are saying "accept that there is no place for Southern American Pride and if you continue to have it you are something less". The latter group of people seem to have an axe to grind. They are hiding that brand of axe very well but what I am getting is that it is related to liberal ideals. They have NO tolerance for any other ideal. They seem to be smart but with little ability to communicate with respect. I think I will stop there.
     
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    Thanks Andy I need it!!!
     
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    Thank you for this information. I don't think we should remove the Confederate Memorial (or any other memorials or statues) and wouldn't have a problem with tax dollars being using for its repair and upkeep. However I think that flag should not be flying over it.

    That flag has represented hate and racism for decades. That's just plain fact and has nothing to do with your political views, geography, or recent events.

    Recent events made more people aware that this symbol of hatred was still on display on public property and had them call for its removal. Yes, the flag didn't directly cause the shooting, but the attitudes that installed it, kept it up and insist on it still flying are why that psycho thought he needed to kill black people.
     
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    The war of Southern passive aggression rages on!
     
  5. Misty

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    The US flag has also represented that same hate and racism and the majority of Americans salute it proudly.
     
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    How's Jameis doing? :twisted:
     
  7. Danny Glidewell

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    "Yes, the flag didn't directly cause the shooting, but the attitudes that installed it, kept it up and insist on it still flying are why that psycho thought he needed to kill black people."

    I have tried to stay out of this conversation because as Bob Hudson pointed out it is going in circles and thus counter-productive. But this statement by Zebraspots needs a reply.

    I understand why someone would want to take the flag down. I also understand that the flag was not part of the original display and I also understand why it should not fly "over" a government building. I have listened carefully to everyone's point of view. But I cannot/will not accept that those who support keeping the flag somehow encourage or support an evil individual killing anyone of any race. I for one absolutely do not support such nor was I raised to support such. My only interest is in memorializing and respecting those who served this county. That flag has been part of that effort as long as I have lived and I see no reason to change it.
    Many may not realize that Walton County in 1860 voted NO at the convention called to consider the matter of secession. The clear inference is that many of those whose names are on the memorial did not support secession. But after it was passed, they answered the call to defend their homes and families. As to my personal stake, my Great-Great Grandfather was on the Board of Commissioners at the time. He was wounded in the war and the only reason his name is not on the memorial is that his wife and son traveled north to find him and bring him home in the family wagon.
    My Father was not from this area and was as unprejudiced an individual as I have ever known, even during a time when that position was very unpopular with many family and neighbors. He taught me to value everyone and treat them with respect and lived that way in front of me. I have tried to follow in his footsteps as best that I can.
    Therefore, as someone who supports the flag remaining over the Memorial, not the Courthouse, I categorically do not support anyone treating anybody disrespectfully or taking their liberty or life. I respect where you are coming from and would ask you to do me the honor of treating my position with the same respect. If at any time you have felt that I treated you with disrespect, then I ask your forgiveness.
     
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  8. Teresa

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    When I see the US Flag I see freedom and equality for all. Even though it takes its citizens a while to catch up with it.
     
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    ok.. this needs to be told ...as copied from the Walton county historical page..
    "Shortly after the Civil War, the women of Walton County organized a Ladies' Memorial Association to erect a marble monument honoring Walton County's Confederate dead. They were able to raise $250 for the monument.

    The monument was first erected in 1871 at Valley Church. It was moved to Euchee Anna, the County seat, and then to DeFuniak Springs when it became the County seat.
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    Alot of people may want to read alot of racist things into the monument but this puts it all in to prospective for me....

    Amd I dont really care what group wants to hijack it for their own agenda..THIS is what it will always be to me..
     
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    Do they sell the rose colored glasses you wear in Sowal?
     
  11. Misty

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    The argument has nothing what-so-ever to do with the monument and everything to do with the flag that was added much later!
     
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    This country was always meant to continue its path to a more perfect nation. It's an ongoing process. Always.
     
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    Did the page you reference say anything about when the flag was added?

    I read this today..

    "Photos showing that the flag was added in the 1950s/early 1960s proves that it was in response to integration and a clear message from officials that the county was resistent to Civil Rights and promoting segregation. It does not go with the original purpose of the memorial which is to honor those Civil War veterans. While the residents of the county might not have felt that way, the officials at the time did. That was the one reason this flag was added during the Civil Rights era. Just like South Carolina and Alabama officials did on state property with the Confederate battle flag in 1950s and 1960s. It was a planned effort by government officials against African-Americans."
     
  14. Jdarg

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    And that is why it needs to come down. It is only flying on the memorial because they wanted to send a message. And the message wasn't about the war veterans. ;)
     
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    Oh, BS!!! All of you that think the flag flying at a memorial for fallen Confederate soldies is racist have no appreciation for those, not only Confederate, but American servicemen as well, that fought for what they believed in even thought the cause may have been faulty. The Vietnam conflict comes to mind where some of my buddies we spit upon although all they were doing was what they were paid to do.
     
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    Danny, Thank you for your last post regarding your family history. I do in fact have a lot of respect for your perspective being that you have a long history in this county. The rest of us just have opinions and do not carry the same weight as yours and others who have a long history in the county.

    Andy, Thank you for your perspective regarding ALL servicemen who fought for this country. They should all be honored and respected and that includes those confederate soldiers.

    Teresa and Jdarg, I appreciate the information that you read about someone's perspective of why Walton County decided to fly the confederate flag however I am positive that many people see the flag and think of the fallen soldiers.

    We are going round and round with this. One person reads this and another person reads that. So, IMO we should let Walton County decide who they want to respect and how. Unless we have more of a "personal" story that has something directly related to Walton county and racism then we probably should move on and celebrate our Independence for without that none of this matters.
     
  17. Bob Hudson

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    I feel no one has had their belief changed and a lot of hostility has been exhibited.

    Commissioners put it up - they have a lot of perspective now - see you on the 14th.

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    Stop ranting, get a grip and face the facts. The flag was hijacked by racists in the fifties. Stop being a flagger or is it flaggot?
     
  19. Teresa

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    It's well known when and where confederate flags were raised in public places in protest against civil rights movement in the south. Some have been removed since over the years. Some remain. It makes very interesting reading.

    No one spits on our soldiers of any past war.. I believe our soldiers would want us to honor our real heritage. Freedom, equality, justice for all.
     
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