Petition to Ban Confederate Flag from Walton County Courthouse

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  1. Danny Glidewell

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    History is rarely simple and the causes of the Civil War are complex. Anyone who says slavery did not play a major role is in denial or uninformed. However, the issue was not abolishing slavery in 1860. Not one of the 4 major candidates for President in 1860 ( Lincoln, Douglass, Breckinridge and Bell) campaigned to abolish slavery, the issue was expansion into the western territories. The balance in the Senate was the desire of the South as they could never achieve balance in the House. If slavery was not allowed to expand into the west then the Senate would be lost as well. Should this occur, then eventually the abolitionists would have been strong enough to move against slavery. Tariffs were also a big issue. The large tariffs the national government passed to protect Northern industry harmed the Southern economy, which depended on exports, particularly cotton.
    There is no denying that most Southerners looked down on persons of color. This was true in the North as well. These attitudes carried on into the 20th century. While the South had Jim Crow, don't forget some of the worst violence about busing and integration occurred in Boston. Other Northern cities had similar problems.
     
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    Lake View Too, You were a very good student in your history studies. That is exactly what the history books say about the Civil War. Unfortunately it is not "entirely" true. Northern wealth and power was decreasing while Southern wealth and power was increasing. The North was determined to make this about slavery because it had been know since our forefathers that it was wrong but in order to serve the purpose of "succession" from Great Britian it was allowed and thus Benjamin Franklin changed a few words to "self evident" instead of "sacred and undeniable". This war was about power and money at the expense of human life. The North was more motivated to end this imbalance of power rather than to end slavery even if it meant that hundreds of thousands would die. Our government was founded with the injustice of slavery justified.

    You are entitled to believe what you want whether it is right or wrong so please by all means go sign the petition and sleep better.
     
  3. poppy

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    That is the teachings yes, but many Christians are not listening.
     
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    If that's the case would you take a copy of the Koran and place in it a Jewish synagogue and demand they respect the Islamic faith? If not, then why is our government doing unto others what they would not want done on the Courthouse lawn?
     
  6. Danny Glidewell

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    True, the bible also says that all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. Everyone makes mistakes, that is just part of being human. There is also a passage that says that at the judgement many will claim to be followers of Christ and will be proven false. I can say I am a millionaire, that does not mean I am one. ( far from it LOL)
    Being a follower of Christ certainly does not mean you are perfect either. Lord knows I mess up daily. But being a follower means you have asked for forgiveness and will try to do better.
     
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    Personal opinions and historical interpretations of the Civil War and that flag's meanings vary, but there is no question that in this day and age that flag is an internationally recognized symbol of racism and hate.

    Yes, a few genuinely fly or display that flag because they are proud of a family veteran or history, but most do so because they oppose equality, advocate racial purity, and want to intimidate or remind minorities of their proper place. Many of the flags currently being removed or debated were put up to protest the Civil Rights Movement and the federal government, not after the Civil War.

    That is the flag of lynching, Neo-Nazis, and the KKK, and it is not okay to fly it on public property. You can display it if you wish, but the government should not be doing so.

    Removing the flag will not magically end racism, but it is definitely a step in the right direction.
     
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    You kiss your mother with that mouth?
     
  9. poppy

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    I was born in 1951 and grew up going to church in a large southern city. I witnessed first hand the way good Christians treated their fellow man if his skin was a different color. I never had a black school mate, never saw a black person in our church, our local fair even restricted "coloreds" to a single day during it's ten day run. My father took me to an event at the auditorium where the blacks had to enter a separate door leading to the balcony with a curtain strung up to keep them separate from the whites. My mother would go to the laundromat with the "whites only" sign on the door. There were separate bathrooms, water fountains, and waiting rooms I wasn't supposed to use. This was in a city lead by good Christian men reading the same bible you are now quoting from so please spare me the sermon.
     
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    It won't end racism, but it will end government expression of racism.
     
  11. mputnal

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    If government is a mirror of society then god help us please.
     
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    Sounds like you might be getting the point. Government should stand for something better than the common man. It should be an good example. Maybe if it didn't fly flags that represent bigotry and glorified armed rebellion, it would achieve that goal.
     
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    I will take my ball and go play with common man and you can take your ball and go play with government. Good luck to you and me as we both will need some luck!

    You are refusing to to see the confederate flag for what it is and what it is not. Bigotry is present in society not because of the confederate flag. Not sure what you mean by glorified armed rebellion. Do you mean this in terms of the revolutionary war? Again, the civil war was fought over money and power. The revolutionary war was a rebellion and succession from an oppressive regime.

    Glorified armed rebellion to describe the confederate soldier is an interesting way of expressing your disapproval of bigotry. Sounds like you are not getting the point and so you are correct in thinking I am getting the point.
     
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    Holy crap, what an astonishing display of willful ignorance.
     
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    So, let me get this straight: You do not think the Civil War was an armed rebellion? Is that correct? And you do not think the Confederate flag represents bigotry to a vast majority of people? Is that correct?

    We all pretty much agreed that the Civil War, and the causes of it, both North and South, was probably the most dismal period in the life of our country, and you want to perpetuate that dismal period by waving that flag? Is that correct?
     
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    The civil war was a response to Northern aggression. Of course both sides armed themselves. But all this is not the point of the confederate flag. I fly the American flag. I do not fly the confederate flag because of people like you. You and poppy and others are too reactive and for reasons that I do not understand. I respect those that died on both sides of course. I do not see the confederate flag as a symbolic form of bigotry and racism. I think you and poppy and others are trying too hard to fix something that is wrong within society and hoping that "crapping" on the confederate flag is "a step in the right direction". I simply disagree with you and choose not to judge you such as you and poppy have judged me and conclude that I am "willfully ignorant". You do not have to go that far to express your opinion but of course you can say pretty much what ever floats your boats.
     
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    The offensive language used by some on this forum tells me who is winning the argument.
     
  18. Leader of the Banned

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    Best use of a Confederate flag I've seen yet. The good part starts around 5:00.

     
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    I'm sure that a lot of people who signed the Hampton Inn petition will be glad to sign this petition. But I think this is an issue that should be left up to the legal residents of the county.
     
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    If the flag defenders want to be upset with someone because their flag is being struck you need look no further than the Republicans. They are the ones who have the power and are calling for the removal of flags in their states. Looks like common sense is the winner of this argument.
     

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