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Private Property Signs between Eastern Lake and Gulf

Discussion in 'All About SoWal' started by Kayak Fish, May 17, 2015.

  1. Kayak Fish

    Kayak Fish Beach Lover

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    These haven't been here up until the past two weeks or so (at least not in the past 15 years). Any idea who owns the entire beach in front of eastern lake? Tough to figure what lot the signs correspond to.
     
  2. justhavinfun

    justhavinfun Beach Fanatic

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    If you were to be standing in the lake and looking south at the gulf, where are the signs? Due South, West or East?
     
  3. carson

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    Actually they are all up and down the beach from the eastern lake to deer lake sp. The most obvious are the signs in front of beachside villas and the dunes off of beachfront...... and It is nice to see at 7am on Saturday the vendors already had one solid row of chairs set up at one of two public accesses. Did we not get this issue resolved?
     
  4. nbinnings

    nbinnings Beach Comber

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    RUSSELL, PETER
    10161 DARIA PLACE
    DALLAS, TX 75229

    Per Walton County GIS. Owns the land b/w the the condos to the west and homes to the east.

     
  5. miznotebook

    miznotebook Beach Fanatic

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    The 50 percent vendor rule is supposed to be implemented/enforced starting on May 22.
     
  6. Kayak Fish

    Kayak Fish Beach Lover

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    They are due south of the middle of the lake between the lake and gulf. These are not the signs you see in front of houses (that make sense) in the area. There is no house and in fact I'm pretty sure the lake used to run through the land they are claiming.
     
  7. Lake View Too

    Lake View Too SoWal Insider

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    The person who owns the "yellow house" on the east side of the inlet also owns the lot west of the house. This lot extends to almost where the inlet is now. Whether he can legally keep people from using it as a "right of way" is a completely different matter since it has been under "customary use" for many decades as a means to access the beach.
     
  8. mmcq

    mmcq Beach Comber

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    We saw these signs too on Friday morning and a security guard moving the signs around as the tide was changing the water line.
     
  9. ktmeadows

    ktmeadows Beach Fanatic

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    It will be interesting to see if the vendors comply, and if they don't comply, how the rule will be enforced. We were in Seagrove for the past 8 days. Our beach "hangout" is west of One Seagrove. In the 14 years that we have owned our little piece of the paradise pie, we have NEVER seen as many vendor beach chairs spread out in a huge area as we have this past week ...definitely more than their allowance! Is this just their way of throwing a hissy fit? They used to set up only in front of One Seagrove, and usually only 2 deep. This past week they were 3 deep (in some places more than that) in front of One Seagrove, and for the first time to my knowledge they were also set up west of One Seagrove all the way to the "Private Beach" sign to the west of the public access. They even set up several chairs almost at the water line. The poor visitors were left with a small space to crowd in and set up their umbrellas. I guess when our family comes down to visit this summer we will have to race down there before the vendors can set up in order to secure space. If the vendors refuse to comply, who can we call? It's not even busy season yet....I hate to think what it will be like in the next few months!
     
  10. steel1man

    steel1man Beach Fanatic

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    ALL you have to do is call Jeff or Dave at beach enforcement after the 22nd and they WILL enforce the new RULES
     
  11. sunspotbaby

    sunspotbaby SoWal Insider

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    This is how it is in Destin. Just about every 'resort' is overcrowded by the beach chair vendors. They are out there before the sun rises to get their chairs as close to the water's edge as possible. People that have their own set-ups are screwed. I call them 'chair nazi's'. There may be a few that don't set up until the chair is rented, but it's not the norm. I'm ready to move away from the beach and go live on a nice lake.
     
  12. Andy A

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    Everyone concerned about signage on the beach should call each County Commissioner and lodge a complaint. The BCC controls signage in the scenic corridor and says what can and cannot be displayed. There is no reason that signage on our beaches cannot be stopped. It is an ugly distraction to the ambiance and beauty of our pristine beaches. When I first moved here in 1991, there wasn't a sign to be found on any of our beaches. Fences and signs should be outlawed. If they want to stop people from leisurly sitting on THEIR beach, let them go down and tell them so in person.
     
  13. TidePride

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    It's the Homeowner's beach until it's damaged by storm and then it's the taxpayers
     
  14. Will B

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    Sowal beaches on May 21st!

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  15. ktape

    ktape Beach Comber

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    The beach vendors know the rules, if they break them and you report them they will be cited. If this doesn't work be assured that the next push will be to completely outlaw vending on the public beaches. Some vendors do not understand what public means. If the step to limit vendors to 1/2 the beach at regional accesses doesn't work, it will be the vendors who ultimately suffer. They have created the pushback and non compliance will result in more restrictions. If they do it right vendors can provide a useful service, if not they become a public nuisance. Some have chosen the latter course, they will not last.
     
  16. Jdarg

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    When we were in Bradenton at the middle school state track meet 2 weeks ago, we went over to Anna Maria Island for a little reconnaissance mission, looking at traffic, beaches, and infrastructure as compared to ours. The most striking thing we noticed- there was almost no beach vending. Beach goers had their own chairs and umbrellas. No beach chair venders at the public neighborhood beach accesses. Very limited at the several municipal owned accesses, and it was limited to one vendor, who did not set up chairs until about 10 am, and then only about half dozen about midway back- not hogging the front row. It reminded me of how it used to be here when people actually carried their own chairs to the beach. It is one thing to be at staying a condo or resort- one of the reasons people stay in such places you are for these amenities. But when staying in our sleepy beach neighborhoods, why would people expect resort amenities like beach chair set ups at the public accesses?
     
  17. steel1man

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    hopefully this summer will be the beginning to the end for Public Beach Vendors....because, they aren't likely to follow the new 50/50 beach laws....hope enforcement has the nerve to enforce #wewillsee
     
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    From Walton County TDC:[TABLE="width: 600"]
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    [TD="align: center"]This Week: Beach Activities Ordinance Changes Take Effect
    This week on May 22, 2015 several changes go into effect for the beach activities ordinance. The following changes in the beach activities ordinance, adopted by the Walton County Board of County Commissioners, will take effect:​
    • 2013-04-22-60(b)(1): Verbiage changed to distinguish the rights of “specific place” permitted vendors at a “specific beach” or “specific location” from those of a delivery vendor.
    • 2013-04-22-60(d)(1): The word “concession” replaced with “vending operation.”
    • 2013-04-22-60(d)(3): Verbiage inserted that prohibits vending set-ups in front of a lifeguard tower. The ordinance will now read that vendor chairs and umbrellas “must allow for a 10’ clear corridor from lifeguard towers to the water.”
    • 2013-04-22-60(d)(4): Verbiage changed to allow vendors beach access between “7:30 a.m., or after the morning sea turtle nesting survey has been completed, or whichever is earlier, and one hour after sunset. “
    • 2013-04-22-60(d)(6): Verbiage inserted to define that only “specific place permitted vendors” have the right to store a temporary beach storage box at the toe of the dune, provided it adheres to all of the guidelines listed in ordinance 2013-04-22-60(d)(6).
    • 2013-04-22-60(d)(9): Verbiage changed to allow properly permitted vendor vehicles access to the beach starting at “7:30 a.m. or after the morning sea turtle nesting survey has been completed.”
    • 2013-04-22-60(d)(10): New Ordinance Created: “Beach vendor’s operations are limited to no more than 50% of the beach frontage at any public beach access. The frontage shall be designated by the Walton County Tourist Development Council prior to March 1st of each year.”
    • 2013-04-22-60(e)(4): The words “lifesaving training” replaced with “a CPR certification or water safety certification recognized by the American Red Cross.”
    • 2013-04-22-60(h)(2)(a): Sentence added which reads: “Walton County Board of County Commissioners shall be listed as certificate holder and additionally insured on the insurance policy.”
    The revised ordinance in its entirety can be found on Walton County Florida’s website: http://www.co.walton.fl.us/documentcenter/view/7847
    For more information or questions about the changes in the beach activities ordinance contact Brian Kellenberger at Brian@visitsouthwalton.com, (850) 267-4578 or (850) 333-6236.​
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  19. Teresa

    Teresa SoWal Guide Staff Member

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    "Rent Gear Here" has set-up shop next to the outflow of Eastern Lake and posted signs reading "beach reserved for RGH customers only." Apparently, this is on private property in front of a home where permission has been given to use it. Not sure about permits or how this is covered in the new ordinance...

    Here is a response from RGH owner Jacob W... (on Walton County Visioning group fb page):
    Hey again guys, just wanted to answer some of the questions directed to us. This in no way shape or form has anything to do with YOLO, 360 Blue or any other company. This is an agreement between the property owner and Rent Gear Here. We will serve anyone who would like to rent any of our gear. We are not serving any one party, we are open to the general public. We will make sure we abide by all easement regulations. As I mentioned before we are doing our best to operate our business following all obeisances in place. We will abide by whatever rules the county puts into place. Please feel free to reach out to me anytime. We are not trying to harm anyone.


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    MORE beach vendor chairs left overnight in this area by: Southwinds, and others.

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    photos by friend Lynn of Seagrove Beach.

    I'm seeing photos every day posted on FB by locals showing more chairs than ever left on beaches overnight, and basically taking over. What's the deal?
     
  20. seanote

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    I've noticed that too. It's an eyesore. Ruins the beautiful view from the beach access. These items should really be moved as close to the dune line as possible or removed completely at night.
     

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