Repeal bill filed to repeal HB 631 In the Florida house of representatives

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  1. Stone Cold J

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    Forced occupation of private property with unlimited people with unlimited equipment against the will of the property owner has never been permitted in the State of Florida.

    If the BCC wants to purchase more property for public beaches like the property across from Stinky's then so be it. Just don't steal it from legally deeded owners and try to convince people that the BCC has always controlled the property rights in Walton County (specifically the right of exclusion).

    Never in the history of Walton County (prior to 2016) did an ordinance not recognized private property. This is about chasing billions of tourists dollars not throwing a Frisbee on the beach.
     
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    The tweet exchange this morning between Florida Representative Alex Andrade and Dave are very informative. Go take a look if you have twitter.

    Here is a question that maybe Suzanne or Dave can answer:
    1. What year did Edgewater lose their property right of exclusion within their State of Florida deeded property boundaries?

    In reference to Polls mentioned in the tweet exchange, here is an interesting poll question:
    "Should a local government entity be allowed to remove State of Florida Property Rights without Judicial Approval?
     
  3. Dave Rauschkolb

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    1. Sorry, beaches were already private before bill was passed so there was no privatization. But you, without a doubt, know this already.
    2. Educated opinion: Bill will NOT get repealed. But you also know this already.

    From Bill filed to repeal controversial HB 631 .......
    Jayer Williamson, a Republican who represents North Okaloosa and Santa Rosa County, said his respect for private property rights would likely prevent him for supporting the repeal.

    There seems to be a lot of misinformation on that bill.
    [understatememt] The key thing is that you have to go through a judicial process before you can take someone’s property,” Williamson said. “A local government should not be able to just take someone’s private property rights.”

    I suspect (hope) there are a lot of FL senators and representatives who still feel the same way when they initially passed HB 631 - that due process is guaranteed and protected by the U.S. Constitution before private property can be taken.

    I truly can’t wrap my head around why this is even up for debate. But then again....just damn.

    And I’ll reiterate...all 5 commissioners who voted for the original customary use ordinance violated their oaths to uphold the U.S. Constitution. The original CU ordinance deprived private property owners of their rights with NO DUE PROCESS WHATSOEVER. Pretty clear and simple. But that’s just me.
     
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    Well if the CON in CHIEF takes a dump on it why would local politicians care?
     
  6. Stone Cold J

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    Dave, do you own property between the dune and the MWHL? If so where? Do you allow unlimited people with unlimited equipment between the dune and MWHL on your private property? Do you allow them on your property above the dune line?

    Should a local government entity be allow to remove State Property Rights and take control of property against the will of the property owner without judicial approval?

    What year did Edgewater's Private Property boundaries that have always (and still is) recognized by the State of Florida, Walton County Property Records, and until 2016, the BCC? Have you told Suzanne? Based on the 2008 lawsuit they still think it is Private Property.
     
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    It's been a few days and I still don't see what property determines Dave Rauschkolb as a "beachfront property owner". Can someone PLEASE enlighten me?

    Or is his claim as such because he owns a "slice^ of Watersound where convenient general public access is non-existent? It is a secure gated community, BTW.
     
  8. Dave Rauschkolb

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    Join us at this Thursday's Town Hall Community Meeting at the Simple Faith Church/Warehouse 360, 360 WRM Circle, Santa Rosa Beach Fl, North 83, off HWY 98. 6:00 PM. Limited supply of Tees for our friends who will come to Tallahassee to REPEAL THE BAD BEACH BILL! #restoreCU #CUforever

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    The credibility of customary use leaders was seriously damaged when they allowed their "followers" to believe that people couldn't walk all 26 miles of beach in Walton County, that there was nowhere to go to the beach where people wouldn't be chased off, that all the beaches were public before HB631 (subsequently law), that BPOs don't own the beach seaward of their homes if they have a deed that says they do, that quiet title is some surreptitious legal maneuver to steal public beach, that our tourists would flee the area, that our home prices would be devastated, that our economy would fail, and that all BPOs are rich, selfish, entitled people who wanted to exclude everyone from their beach. What a pack of misinformation!

    The funny thing is that not one single bit of misinformation had to be put out to the public. Almost everyone loves the beach and would like to use it at some point or another, some more than others. Most BPOs (not all) would probably have shared with respectful people if only the right to exclude certain people or things on their property had not been under attack. Would YOU want Walton County making rules for part of your property that guaranteed the entire public could use it? Would YOU want to count on Walton County to enforce much of anything on your property short of a crime? Would You want to be required to allow someone on your property who was disrespectful to YOU, YOUR FAMILY, YOUR PROPERTY, or others who happened to be respectfully enjoying part of your property with your implied consent because they were respectful?

    Extremists do none of us any favors. So much damage has been done to relationships at this point in our local community. Let's hope that most visitors are finding the misinformation to be just that.
     
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    In my opinion it is way too early to make a call on what impact a lack of customary beach use would have on our local economy.
     
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    Without customary use in place, the possibility of corporate growth and an increase in population should be diminished to a degree. Quite the opposite if customary use was the law of the land.
     
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    No sir, I'm not calling people who want to go to the beach extremists, I'm calling people who go to extremes (including exaggerating, embellishing, instigating, manipulating, misleading, and other forms of misinformation) extremists. If the shoe fits, feel free to wear it.
     
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    From Dave’s Post #52 “We extremely love our right to use every grain of sand from the dune line to the water line”

    Dave:

    What year did the “right to use every grain of sand from the dune line to the water line” become law? Does that “right” extend to the property in the State of Florida (including State Parks and Military Property) or Just the Private Property between the dune line and water line in Walton County?

    What year did Forced Occupation of Private Property with unlimited people and unlimited equipment against the will of the property owner become legal in Walton County?'

    Do you own deeded property between the dune line to the water line and are you forced to allow unlimited people with unlimited equipment on your private property against your will?

    What public property became private property because of HB 631?

    Do you think there will be no lawsuits if the BCC tries to steal property (removal of property rights) without due process?
     
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    Forced, stealing, owning, lawsuits, oh my ... let's all enjoy our beautiful beaches today, including you my friendly drama queen.
     
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    You mean like the following?:

    1. No taxes are paid on beach front properties

    2. Public Property became Private Property due to HB 631

    3. Quiet Title made Public Beach Property Private Property

    4. Walton County Residents have had unlimited use of Private Property from the dune line to the water line against the will of the Private Property Owner for the last 100 years

    5. Since Sherriff Atkinson announced he would not arrest trespassers, that makes it legal to trespass on Private Property in Walton County

    6. Repealing HB 631 will eliminate every CU lawsuit, or the requirement for the BCC to use Due Process to take full and immediate control over Private Property in Walton County against the will of the Property Owner.

    7. It is badgering to ask questions supported by CU advocates that are contradictory to Florida law or information posted on the Walton County web site

    8. If CU does not pass then Residents and Tourists will not be allowed to walk the 26 miles of beach in Walton County, nor will they be allowed to swim, fish, surf, or build sand castles.

    9. The beach crowding problem is caused by greedy beachfront homeowners and not the successful promotional efforts to increase tourists from 1 million per year to 4 million per years in the last decade

    10. And extra bonus statement, asking questions or pointing out CU myths make a person a "drama queen"
     
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    Interesting read and thanks for the link.

    It will be good to get the legal opinion of this in regard to general use of the beach and not a specific need.
     
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    HB 6063 is dead, no repeal.
     

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