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Satan's Minion to Attend Walton BCC Meeting

Discussion in 'Local Government and Groups' started by Mike Jones, Nov 16, 2015.

  1. Mike Jones

    Mike Jones Beach Fanatic

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    WZEP AM 1460 Monday, November 16, 2015

    A Deerfield Beach man has secured an attorney in hopes of forcing the Walton County Commission to allow him to give an invocation in the name of satan at the County Commission meetings.

    Timothy "Chaz" Stevens, 51, of Deerfield Beach, has secured the services of Boca Raton attorney Thomas H. Wright, III. In a letter to Walton County Attorney Mark Davis and County Administrator Larry Jones, Wright says his client is requesting to “perform an invocation before a regular City Commission meeting.”

    Stevens, who calls himself a "minion of satan," has bedeviled numerous city councils and county commissions across Florida in an effort to force then to stop opening their meetings with a Christian prayer. Stevens cites several supreme court cases that he claims justifies his right.

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    The precedent that Satanists, Druids or Wiccans be granted an audience came in May 2014, when the U.S. Supreme ruled in the case of Town of Greece (N.Y.) vs. Galloway.

    The decision holds that prayer is allowed at city and county commission meetings provided it applies to all religions, or quasi-religions.

    His facebook page is filled with obscene and sacreligious mockery of the Christian faith.

    County Attorney Mark Davis says the county is in the process of developing a new policy and procedure for accommodating invocations prior to the start of meetings in accordance with the Supreme Court's ruling. However, it remains unclear whether Stevens will be allowed to invoke the name of satan in a prayer before the commission...since he is not a resident or local clergy.

    In a separate incident, the county has also received a letter from the Freedom From Religion Foundation demanding the nativity scene be removed the annual Christmas display at the Walton County Courthouse.

    The war continues.

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  2. Jenksy

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    What war? The one between Satan and God, or the one between idiots with too much money and the rest of us?

    Isn't he a Satanist rather than an Atheist? Or is he a just an atheist who is using Satan to piss off Christians? Does Satan work out with him?

    So many questions.
     
  3. Teresa

    Teresa SoWal Guide Staff Member

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    This is hysterical. And not as in funny. Can't be real.
     
  4. happy2Bme

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    This is, without a doubt, the stupidest thing I've encountered in a while.......
     
  5. Misty

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    I hate to say "I told ya so" but I did.

    WZEP is glossing over the facts as well. There is not an "annual Christmas display" at the Courthouse. There is a nativity scene near the front doors of the courthouse. Historically there have been no other secular displays!
     
  6. John G

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    This was all just a matter of time everyone.

    The epic failures of our County and its Elected Officials have now caught the attention of others outside the panhandle of Florida.

    First, the failure to immediately and properly address the Flag issue, this was a national news story. (Note, I didn't say which way it should be addressed, just the way the BCC did it was silly).

    Second, lots of State-wide talk about the rampant corruption here in this County. The farce of a Grand Jury has shot that to the top of discussions.

    Then you have your Commission Members having a prayer each meeting, wanting to show how Christian they are (while doing just the opposite in real life...), in regards to Corruption.

    Now you get this lunatic and someone not wanting the nativity scene... Merry Christmas to all!

    It was only a matter of time. Chickens coming home to roost. Get used to it Walton County.
     
  7. Misty

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    WZEP also got the facts wrong about Timothy "Chaz" Stevens. While he may well be a self proclaimed Satanist he can not be an Atheist.

    Atheism is the ABSENCE of any belief that deities exist. Satan is a deity.
     
  8. Poppaj

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    I would think they would be eager to hear from Satan since they hold him accountable for so many of their own bad decisions. Let him give his side of the story. Isn't Satan part of God's master plan or an element of intelligent design?
     
  9. John G

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    Looks like we really did attract some "unwanted" attention...

    Here's Chaz Stevens info (all easy to find on line). I highlighted the text for emphasis...

    Looks like things will continue to be interesting in CoWal.

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    About MAOS, est. 2006
    Chaz Stevens, Editor In Chief


    MAOS is an anti-corruption advocacy blog that is devoted to eliminating waste, fraud, cronyism, and abuse in government.

    Founder and editor Chaz Stevens is passionate about the First Amendment, and his unique approach has a proven track record of getting results.

    Over the last ten years, Stevens’ tireless oversight has put elected officials in jail, uncovered millions in waste and fraud, and ensured that residents civil rights are protected.


    Father of the world-famous Pabst Blue Ribbon Festivus Pole, nationally recognized on The Colbert Report, The Daily Show, Fox News, and hundreds of national media outlets, and winner of the New Times 2010 and 2014 Activist of the Year awards, Stevens is also a fierce advocate for equal rights for all, helping to advance the movement for full equality for lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender Americans.
     
  10. BeachArkie

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    Sucks when people want to open government meetings with prayers you don't believe in, doesn't it?
    If you want to allow invocations or expressions of religion, you have to allow all of them.
     
  11. Misty

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    John G,

    Ms. Meadows (like everyone else) has the right to believe in Christianity and to pray wherever she chooses as an individual. What Constitutional law has historically frowned upon is Government endorsement of one religion over another. BeachArkie summed it up succinctly..allow Christian prayer and you must open the door and allow even prayer some would find objectionable or distasteful.

    As for the Nativity scene, that is a blatant endorsement of Christianity because the Courthouse lawn is not represented by any other secular adornments. There is no Menorah, no Koran, it is simply a sole display of a crèche.

    While it is permissible for governments to celebrate the holiday season, there are certain limitations on holiday displays on public property. The law is fairly clear about whether or not a local, state, or federal government body is violating the constitutional principle of separation of church and state in the context of public religious displays here are some indications:

    1. Is the display on government-owned property? (In this case, yes.)
    2. Is the scene or symbol located inside or at the entrance of a core government building, such as a city hall or courthouse? (In this case, yes.) The Supreme Court has ruled that the government may not display nativity scenes at the entrance to core government buildings (see legal summary below), even if a Christmas tree and menorah are nearby.
    3. If located on the lawn in front of a government building, is it in a “high traffic area” i.e., a busy street or intersection, or in front of a main entrance to public land? (In this case, yes.)
    4. Is the crèche or religious symbol the only symbol displayed, or the predominant feature of the display? (In this case, yes.)
    5. What is the proximity of the religious symbol to any other parts of the display? If the religious symbol is standing alone and other figurines, lights or signs that are part of the overall display are not located nearby, or are not within view of the crèche, it is arguably a sole display. (It is arguably a sole display.)
    6. Do any signs surrounding the nativity scene contain patently religious messages such as “Gloria in Excelsis Deo”? (No.)
    7. Is the manger scene or other religious symbol on public property as part of an announced “public forum”? (No.) If the display is sponsored by a private individual or entity, is there a disclaimer identifying the owner, or a sign properly alerting the public that the government does not endorse the religious message embodied in the display? Is there a written policy and a permit process for the public forum that is content-neutral? (No.) Are there reasonable time and place restrictions? (In other words, allowing a group to put up a religious Christmas display that lasts from before Thanksgiving until Easter is a problem-and that has happened!)
     
  12. John G

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    I'm not sure how your reference to Com. Meadows fits here, I never referenced her in my reply. Any time I've been to a BCC Meeting, Com. Commander does the prayer.

    I don't think you actually understand my opinion on this piece. Simply put, I believe that if the BCC is to allow a "Christian" invocation, which they do, they they should also allow other "religious" invocations, when requested to do so. They have now been requested to do so.

    It would be much easier to just not have a prayer before a public, governmental meeting... I don't go to BCC Meetings for a sermon, especially from a politician.

    I also don't think that the county should display a manger scene at the Walton County Courthouse. Either display all beliefs symbolism or none. Again, a pretty easy solution.

    I am a Christian and I look forward to celebrating the birth of my lord and savor, Jesus Christ this Decmember. I also make it a point to not push my religious beliefs on others, especially in a government / public forum. If I see an opportunity to try to help someone find Christ, I'll do so in a private way.
     
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    Sorry John, I'm just out of the hospital and I misread where you said Commission Members and mistakenly read it as Commission Meadows. My mistake.
     
  14. Danny Glidewell

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    First I am a believer in Jesus Christ and strive to live as a Christian. I fail daily and one area I often fail at is praying as I should. But that is my fault, not the fault of anyone else and certainly not the government. No one but myself can stop me from praying before, during and after any meeting. As far as this troublemaker ( his description) from outside is concerned, he has no standing to participate in our local government as he is not a resident or property owner. When he moves here and has skin in our game we can talk further.
    The nativity is another subject for another post.
     
  15. John G

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    If a Walton property owner was to support him and his "cause" by Proxy, he'd have plenty of standing...
     
  16. Matt J

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    I'm pretty sure he doesn't have to own property or reside in Walton county to make the request. Perhaps if there were a policy in place...
     

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