Tourists not welcome?

Discussion in 'Pets and Animals' started by 4robbins, Oct 9, 2012.

  1. 4robbins

    4robbins Beach Comber

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    Got kicked off the beach yesterday with my two dogs on leashes (after 4:00) in Grayton because I'm not a resident. Was not bothering anyone. Had to pack up and drag my kids and dogs off the beach. I come down here at least 4 times a year pumping $ into the economy and this is what I get in return? Looking like South Carolina for my next trip. Thanks Walton County.
     
  2. Jdarg

    Jdarg SoWal Expert

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    I would check the leash law on that SC beach- there are many beaches that have leash laws, not just Grayton.
     
  3. 4robbins

    4robbins Beach Comber

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    There are leash laws in South Carolina but tourists are welcome to bring their dogs.
     
  4. mputnal

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    We respect and appreciate tourism and I believe South Walton is very accomodating however tourist are not immune to ordinance, laws and respect of the environment. South Carolina is no different than South Walton in this adherance to rules. Money can not buy respect or a relaxation of these rules. We appreciate your dollars but it does not solve all problems and I do regret that you and your family were inconvenienced.
     
  5. 4robbins

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    I see unleashed dogs up and down the beach all day and then my leashed dogs get kicked off the beach after 4:00. If Walton County is going to have laws then they need to be enforced consistently. It's kind of like the speed limit. If you drive 75 in a 70 you're probably not going to get a ticket. If you drive 90 you're getting pulled over. I was driving 71 in a 70 and got pulled over.
     
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    I agree about consistency but South Walton is no different than any other place in that we do the best we can with our resources plus I believe this community really wants to improve upon our mistakes. We have rules for a reason just like the speed limits and we must do a better job at enforcement. Of course consistency will prevent any feelings of being picked on and we are very sorry for that. Hope lessons were learned on both sides.
     
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    You didn't get kicked off because you weren't a resident, your unlicensed dogs and their owner got kicked off. As you noted, dogs running amok in the beach are a problem and they are trying to fix it.
    Whether you are going 71 or 90, you are still breaking the law if the speed limit is 70.
     
  8. Scooter

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    4robbins - I feel your pain. I remember the days when you could walk your dogs on the beach in Grayton, swim in the Gulf and Western lake without getting violently ill with diarrhea and vomiting from high fecal matter in the water. I've owned a lot there for 10 years with the dreams of building my retirement home. I have decided to move on to a totally dog friendly beach - no permits, no particular times to walk your dog, but, yes, a leash law. When our family was there in June, the guy with the standup board pick-up let his dog out of the truck and he ran around like a maniac, digging holes in the sand, no leash at around 2:00 p.m. Go figure!!!!!!!
     
  9. Scooter

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    Oh and I forgot to mention. Who let the chair rental people in Grayton? There are no condos to speak of there. They won't even let you set up near the water. We beat them out there one morning and they wanted us to move!
     
  10. KISH7374

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    I am not a dog owner any more and never took our dog on vacations but here is a thought. Why not have the proper authorities issue a temporary dog permit to vacationers along with a pamphlet with all rules and charge $10.00 to $20.00 per week. Think of the revenue this would generate. The renter would have to be fully aware of all rules and if in violation, there would be a fine and the permit revoked. Just sayin!!!
     
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    There was actually a proposal before the county commission for a temporary dog permit similar to what you are describing. Seems like it was a couple of years ago. It proved very controversial in the community, was dropped and has not been considered again since.
     
  12. Beach Runner

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    Tourists ARE welcome. If it weren't for tourism, our non-chain businesses that make 30A so unique couldn't survive. Many owners couldn't afford the mortgages on their second homes without tourism.

    I'm not sure what I think about the rules regarding dogs on the beach. Many people with licensed dogs don't abide by the leash rule and don't pick up their dogs' poop. That's unforgiveable. But having sheriff's deputies patrolling enough to control every infraction regarding dogs would be cost-prohibitive.

    I really don't have an answer, but I feel your pain. We sold our home in June, and our new home won't be completed until December. We have had trouble just finding a place to stay that is pet-friendly while we supervise our new home's construction. Our pet's license expired in August, and we can't get her a new license or take her to the beach until we close on the house.

    As you can see from my signature photo, she was on a leash.

    :welcome: tourists. Sorry that you had a bad experience. I accept the fact that rules are rules, and some don't make sense. For example, as a college professor, why can I wear jeans to class, yet the staff members are forbidden from wearing jeans to work except in special situations? :dunno:
     
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  13. Douglas

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    What is the reason for the permit requirement?

    A. Dogs running amok (off leash),

    B. Droppings, and/or

    C. Revenue enhancement?
     
  14. Teresa

    Teresa SoWal Guide Staff Member

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    SoWal was discovered and there are too many people with too many dogs. That was the biggest commission meeting I've ever seen when our dogs got banned. I hated it then but I understand it. Even though I have never seen a dog trash the beach like some people. The crabbies love poop. But no sea critter likes man made trash in their habitat.

    Still, I always say you gotta know when and where to take your pup to the beach. There is always a way.

    Remember Dogs are allowed in state parks but not on state park beaches at any time. Resident or not.
     
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  15. hippiechick

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    The permits required by Walton county to get a tag for your dog to be allowed on the beach are in place for very good reasons.
    1. To protect all people, not just tourists, from unvaccinated dogs on the beach, that could pose a
    health risk.
    2. The permits come with strict policy for when your dog can be on the beach, for the animals protection for when it is too hot for them, and to keep them off the beach during the busiest time of day for beach goers.
    3. The permit outlines exactly for Walton county residents what is expected if you want to bring your dog
    to the beach.

    do some break the rules, or ignore the rules that are in place and take their dogs to the beach without permits, yeah some do. Being able to take dogs to the beach for Walton county residents is a great perk of living here. So
    to 4robbins, when you are in Walton county, you have to obey to the same rules as everyone else. Being a tourist does not entitle you to make up your own rules. You don't like the restrictions on your dogs being at the beach, then by all means find somewhere else to vacation.
     
  16. Arkiehawg

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    I'm a local and have two beautiful labs. I follow the rules and get the permits BUT despise the County Ordinance.

    Stating that, I understand your frustration and I always recommend to people who are dog lovers and want them to enjoy time on the beach NOT TO COME TO SOWAL and their anti-dog rules.

    I would encourage you to look at St. George Island or Cape San Blas for an option. Very nice beaches, very friendly dog loving people and reminds me of old florida....

    I live 1/4 mile off our SoWal beaches and go to those locations for an enjoyable time with our labs who have a great time....

    Best of wishes on your search...
     

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  17. Teresa

    Teresa SoWal Guide Staff Member

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    We are lab lovers/owners too. And we plan our vacations around pet friendly places. Indian Pass is our favorite. Wide open beaches for our black lab to just fly. She doesn't even care about swimming - which is bizarre for a lab - but she loves playing out there.

    I hated the ordinance too. But when I think about all the people with all their dogs, I definitely agree we don't need all that on the beach. Not because of dogs but because of people who may or may not be responsible dog owners. I guess I have to admit, I don't want to be threatened by someone's off leash, untrained, unpredictable dog.

    The days of our beach being a place for dogs are long gone. Comes with change I suppose. But I fondly remember when local dogs in Grayton took themselves out on the beach to hang out with people any time during the day.
     
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  18. Hop

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    I am a dog lover and I love to see dogs enjoying the beach, but If you've ever had your child toppled of stepped in a fresh pile..... The permit ruled need to be reformed. I like your idea Kish. As is the rule though, one bad apple....
     
  19. Scooter

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    Arkiehawg!!!! Ssshhhhh!!!! Don't tell anybody about Cape San Blas. We need to keep it a secret!
     
  20. miznotebook

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    The idea of issuing temporary permits to tourists to take their dogs on the beach came up again today at the county workshop on the beach activities ordinance. Apparently being able take their dogs on the beach is one of the number-one, if not the top request for tourists. It sounds like a proposal to start issuing these temporary permits may be brought before the commissioners once the workshops are concluded
     

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