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Affordable Health Care Law Upheld

Beach Runner avatar
Beach Runnerbeats on hood
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This is really good news for at lot of people!

This is really good news for our daughter. She is on COBRA right now, but when that ends, she wouldn't have been able to get private health insurance due to a pre-existing condition. As a self-employed photographer, she will be able to get health insurance when her COBRA expires in 2014. What a relief!

I know that many of you are 100% against this law, and I understand why. As Kurt would probably say, don't attack me for my opinion but rather attack the law and explain why you are against it.

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Zebraspots avatar
ZebraspotsBeach Fanatic
#2
Your family will all need to vote for Obama then - Romney has promised to repeal Obamacare on his first day of office!
Arkiehawg avatar
ArkiehawgBeach Fanatic
#3
Your family will all need to vote for Obama then - Romney has promised to repeal Obamacare on his first day of office!

Talks cheap when you are running for office. The only way for Romney to repeal it is to

1. Become POTUS
2. Have GOP control of both House AND Senate
3. Avoid a filibuster by the Senate Democrats.

Odds are greater that the world will end in 2012 before all of that happens...

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30A Skunkape avatar
30A SkunkapeSkunky
#4
Talks cheap when you are running for office. The only way for Romney to repeal it is to

1. Become POTUS
2. Have GOP control of both House AND Senate
3. Avoid a filibuster by the Senate Democrats.

Odds are greater that the world will end in 2012 before all of that happens...

At the risk of this devolving into a drunken brawl...what about an executive order!?
BeachSiO2 avatar
BeachSiO2Beach Fanatic
#5
Talks cheap when you are running for office. The only way for Romney to repeal it is to

1. Become POTUS
2. Have GOP control of both House AND Senate
3. Avoid a filibuster by the Senate Democrats.

Odds are greater that the world will end in 2012 before all of that happens...

At the risk of this devolving into a drunken brawl...what about an executive order!?

Exactly. Romney has already been discussing waivers he would issue in lieu of repeal. I heard there is a brawl underway on another website with some interesting discussion.
Arkiehawg avatar
ArkiehawgBeach Fanatic
#6
Exactly. Romney has already been discussing waivers he would issue in lieu of repeal. I heard there is a brawl underway on another website with some interesting discussion.

It is my understanding that a XO wouldn't be allowed in this scenario. The only way to repeal is through the legislative process. True, he may be able to offer some waivers, but they wouldn't be immediate in being inacted and I'm sure that they would be challenged in a court and probably end up in front of SCOTUS after 4-5 years....
BeachSiO2 avatar
BeachSiO2Beach Fanatic
#7
There are many different types of waivers the President can grant. Here is an article about 1200+ that have been granted to companies by the current administration and they are for the law.

http://thehill.com/blogs/healthwatc...s-finalizes-more-than-1200-healthcare-waivers

IMO, a Romney administration would find ways to grant even more and different waivers. He has already stated he will give states waivers and it is mentioned again today in this article(six paragraph from the bottom).

http://thehill.com/video/campaign/235375-romney-healthcare-ruling-raises-peoples-taxes
Beach Runner avatar
Beach Runnerbeats on hoodAuthor
#8
Oops!

On a less serious note, I received this email:

From: CNN Breaking News [mailto:BreakingNews@mail.cnn.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 10:09 AM
To: textbreakingnews@ema3lsv06.turner.com
Subject: CNN Breaking News

The Supreme Court has struck down the individual mandate for health care - the legislation that requires all to have health insurance.

That was soon followed by this email:

From: CNN Breaking News [mailto:BreakingNews@mail.cnn.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 10:18 AM
To: textbreakingnews@ema3lsv06.turner.com
Subject: CNN Breaking News

Correction: The Supreme Court backs all parts of President Obama’s signature health care law, including the individual mandate that requires all to have health insurance.

Apparently CNN jumped the gun when the Chief Justice rejected the mandate using the Commerce Clause, thus the first email. Then he said that the U.S. had the right to uphold the mandate due to its power of taxation, thus the second email.
beachmouse avatar
beachmouseBeach Fanatic
#91
This was making the rounds earlier today. Click on it to read the iPad screen.

political-pictures-obamacare-upheld.jpg
miznotebook avatar
miznotebookBeach Fanatic
#10
I understand that Vermont has plans to use a waiver to put a single-payer system in place in the state: http://www.boston.com/business/heal...bigger-plan/8YALz3M4LXpPyNAi6oKLvJ/story.html




There are many different types of waivers the President can grant. Here is an article about 1200+ that have been granted to companies by the current administration and they are for the law.

http://thehill.com/blogs/healthwatc...s-finalizes-more-than-1200-healthcare-waivers

IMO, a Romney administration would find ways to grant even more and different waivers. He has already stated he will give states waivers and it is mentioned again today in this article(six paragraph from the bottom).

http://thehill.com/video/campaign/235375-romney-healthcare-ruling-raises-peoples-taxes
ReginaR avatar
ReginaRBeach Comber
#11
There is nothing in the law about how to ensure adequate incentives to maintain a healthcare workforce to accomplish all this. There are however mandates that will deplete our already inadequate numbers because many new requirements will drive physicians and nurses of conscience to leave their profession. For instance the Independent Advisory Board made up of non healthcare people in some far off place will require us to deny some lifesaving measures to patients regardless of ability to pay if they deem it "for the common good". Bad news for some premies, elderly, disabled, chronic and terminally ill. Medicine is not a youthful profession and many if us who can retire but work because we care, will retire rather than look our patients in the eye and refuse. That is not the oath we took.
Arkiehawg avatar
ArkiehawgBeach Fanatic
#12
There is nothing in the law about how to ensure adequate incentives to maintain a healthcare workforce to accomplish all this. There are however mandates that will deplete our already inadequate numbers because many new requirements will drive physicians and nurses of conscience to leave their profession. For instance the Independent Advisory Board made up of non healthcare people in some far off place will require us to deny some lifesaving measures to patients regardless of ability to pay if they deem it "for the common good". Bad news for some premies, elderly, disabled, chronic and terminally ill. Medicine is not a youthful profession and many if us who can retire but work because we care, will retire rather than look our patients in the eye and refuse. That is not the oath we took.

The members will be national experts in health care, including physicians and other health professionals, employers, consumers, and seniors. In other words, the Independent Payment Advisory Board will not be a board of government bureaucrats.

Experts agreed that the board has no say in whether any individual receives dialysis, chemotherapy or any other treatment. It is barred by Section 3403 of the health care law from making policy recommendations that would block patients from needed care.

Since you are incorrect on the IPAB makeup, would you provide us factual information to substantiate your other claims of genocide and mass exodus of healthcare professionals....

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tsutcli avatar
tsutcliBeach Fanatic
#13
How about attacking the funding provisions in the Bill? No money=no implementation
jcpd2 avatar
jcpd2Beach Lover
#14
The 15 members of the board are appointed by the President and confirmed by the Senate. I think that places them into the government bureaucrat league.
LuciferSam avatar
LuciferSamBanned
#15
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/daniel-treadway/hate-obamacare-dont-worry_b_1634706.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000009

If you don't want your government in the business of healthcare, there are number countries you can move to. Haiti, Liberia, Turkmenistan, and Bangladesh to name a few.

But maybe Haiti is still a little too close to our socialist empire for comfort. (Dear God, what if America's newfound brand of Marxist, fascist dictatorship were to spread?!) Don't worry, because the majority of the continent of Africa is far away from both Obamacare -- and any sort of care whatsoever. In fact, for you diehard libertarians who hate having your government provide things, there aren't many places better-suited for you than Liberia. Not only will the Liberian government not provide you with health care, but it will also fail to provide for just about every other basic human need. It's no coincidence that the country's motto is, "The love of liberty brought us here," because nothing represents the anti-Obamacare brand of liberty than a very high risk of catching a serious infectious disease and a low likelihood of finding the resources to treat it. As a bonus for you fans of the Second Amendment who feel that it's necessary to have a gun on you at all times, you're going to love this beautiful land where that's probably a pretty good idea.
Beach Runner avatar
Beach Runnerbeats on hoodAuthor
#16
None of us know when we might have a family member who can't get health insurance due to a pre-existing condition and have an event that could wipe out your retirement account. Email your Congressperson and ask them to vote NO on the repeal of the Affordable Care Act.
jcpd2 avatar
jcpd2Beach Lover
#17
If they already had insurance, coverage for pre-existing is moot. Does it make any sense that I have paid for health insurance for 40 years in case I need it. Maybe I could wait until a hurricane is 24 hours out to buy a wind policy.
Beach Runner avatar
Beach Runnerbeats on hoodAuthor
#18
If they already had insurance, coverage for pre-existing is moot. Does it make any sense that I have paid for health insurance for 40 years in case I need it. Maybe I could wait until a hurricane is 24 hours out to buy a wind policy.
It's our daughter, and she was covered under our policies. But that stopped at 26 (it used to be 25, but the ACA gave her an extra year), then she is on COBRA under our insurance until she's 29. That'll be in early 2014 when the ACL kicks in. Her husband should finish his Ph.D. in 2013 and already has job offers. If all of that happens, she can get on his group policy.

We have been making plans for her future ever since she left for college and got diagnosed when we were not privy to her health records. So we are not making plans for a wind policy 24 hours before a hurrricane. We are not stupid.
lvswbBeach Crab
#19
Give the Affordable Health Care Law a change to work

It's is amazing how the GOP celebrated the Supreeme Court decision (regarfing the election results) in 2000 but they concider the judges a bunch of wack jobs now days because they upeld the Health Care Law.
lvswbBeach Crab
#20
Sorry about the typos in my previous post, wishing you all to have a great evening and remember that America is a compassionate nation. It is time to show it by taking care of our own.

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