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[QUOTE="redfisher, post: 933030, member: 2103"]
I looked briefly and didn't" see a recent thread on the Afghanistan withdrawal.  Sorry if i missed it, but since the "usual's" are still whining about Goetz, Trump and Covid, I thought we could discuss the Afghanistan withdrawal.
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Glad we are withdrawing. Hate that there was a loss of life and angry that those Americans who all of a sudden decided to leave when President Biden advised we were leaving even after an extention. Curious why equipment was left when the military was aware we were leaving.

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="redfisher">I looked briefly and didn&#039;t&quot; see a recent thread on the Afghanistan withdrawal. Sorry if i missed it, but since the &quot;usual&#039;s&quot; are still whining about Goetz, Trump and Covid, I thought we could discuss the Afghanistan withdrawal.</blockquote>Glad we are withdrawing. Hate that there was a loss of life and angry that those Americans who all of a sudden decided to leave when President Biden advised we were leaving even after an extention. Curious why equipment was left when the military was aware we were leaving.

Lake View Too

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[QUOTE="Bob Wells, post: 933031, member: 8392"]
Glad we are withdrawing. Hate that there was a loss of life and angry that those Americans who all of a sudden decided to leave when President Biden advised we were leaving even after an extention. Curious why equipment was left when the military was aware we were leaving.
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Americans and Afghans have been aware that we were withdrawing for over a year and a half. So, I see no useful purpose fretting about the people who chose to wait until the last month or last week to seek safe passage out of the country. It is still a warzone, and people can and will be killed in a warzone. As for the equipment, we really had no good options. Period. We hade hopes that the Afghan military could defend itself, but the total corruption, throughout the government and the military, made that impossible. We certainly couldn't just take the equipment from the "loyal" Afghans, either morally or logistically. War is hell, and the effects of hell can last a damn long time.

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="Bob Wells">Glad we are withdrawing. Hate that there was a loss of life and angry that those Americans who all of a sudden decided to leave when President Biden advised we were leaving even after an extention. Curious why equipment was left when the military was aware we were leaving.</blockquote>Americans and Afghans have been aware that we were withdrawing for over a year and a half. So, I see no useful purpose fretting about the people who chose to wait until the last month or last week to seek safe passage out of the country. It is still a warzone, and people can and will be killed in a warzone. As for the equipment, we really had no good options. Period. We hade hopes that the Afghan military could defend itself, but the total corruption, throughout the government and the military, made that impossible. We certainly couldn&#039;t just take the equipment from the &quot;loyal&quot; Afghans, either morally or logistically. War is hell, and the effects of hell can last a damn long time.

redfisher

Typical and pretty rudimentary, so far.  Anyone care to dig a deeper than canned tp's

Typical and pretty rudimentary, so far.  Anyone care to dig a deeper than canned tp&#039;s

[QUOTE="redfisher, post: 933034, member: 2103"]
Typical and pretty rudimentary, so far.  Anyone care to dig a deeper than canned tp's
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Why don't you honor us with your analysis?

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="redfisher">Typical and pretty rudimentary, so far. Anyone care to dig a deeper than canned tp&#039;s</blockquote>Why don&#039;t you honor us with your analysis?

bob1

[QUOTE="redfisher, post: 933034, member: 2103"]
Typical and pretty rudimentary, so far.  Anyone care to dig a deeper than canned tp's
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War sucks. Make love not war. Bread not bombs. 

Fuck off fascista troll.

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="redfisher">Typical and pretty rudimentary, so far. Anyone care to dig a deeper than canned tp&#039;s</blockquote>War sucks. Make love not war. Bread not bombs. 
 
f**k off fascista troll.

PoppaJ

[QUOTE="Bob Wells, post: 933031, member: 8392"]
Glad we are withdrawing. Hate that there was a loss of life and angry that those Americans who all of a sudden decided to leave when President Biden advised we were leaving even after an extention. Curious why equipment was left when the military was aware we were leaving.
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After twenty years of training and support the equipment was turned over to the Afghan military for use in defending their country. The Taliban were the ones the previous admin negotiated with for the American withdrawal completely cutting out the Afghanistan government. It was said the Taliban would kill the terrorists. Troop levels were drawn down to 2500 so not sure why anyone would expect American troops to suddenly scour the countryside for weapons that were promised to an ally.
This right wing faux outrage is tiresome. The enemy killed the troops as they do in all conflicts. Starting wars is always easy it’s the ending part that’s dangerous. 
We have brave young people in service risking their lives abroad trying to bring people to safety, meanwhile at home we have chickensht selfish aholes who won’t do a damn thing to protect their neighbors from a preventable disease.

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="Bob Wells">Glad we are withdrawing. Hate that there was a loss of life and angry that those Americans who all of a sudden decided to leave when President Biden advised we were leaving even after an extention. Curious why equipment was left when the military was aware we were leaving.</blockquote>After twenty years of training and support the equipment was turned over to the Afghan military for use in defending their country. The Taliban were the ones the previous admin negotiated with for the American withdrawal completely cutting out the Afghanistan government. It was said the Taliban would kill the terrorists. Troop levels were drawn down to 2500 so not sure why anyone would expect American troops to suddenly scour the countryside for weapons that were promised to an ally. 
This right wing faux outrage is tiresome. The enemy killed the troops as they do in all conflicts. Starting wars is always easy it’s the ending part that’s dangerous. 
We have brave young people in service risking their lives abroad trying to bring people to safety, meanwhile at home we have chickensht selfish aholes who won’t do a damn thing to protect their neighbors from a preventable disease.

mputnal

[QUOTE="redfisher, post: 933030, member: 2103"]
I looked briefly and didn't" see a recent thread on the Afghanistan withdrawal.  Sorry if i missed it, but since the "usual's" are still whining about Goetz, Trump and Covid, I thought we could discuss the Afghanistan withdrawal.
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I think everyone who regularly voices their opinions in the sowal lounge has made their opinion's known about Biden's execution of the contract Trump signed with the Taliban.  Just like everything else it seems it became political.  If Biden had torn up the contract and began intense fighting with the Taliban there would have been American lives lost AND he would have been criticized politically and personally.  Here is the reality of the State of the Nation.  In politics those in power are always damned as in damned if you do and damned if you don't.  However in terms of reality President Biden would have been better off following President Obama rather than President Trump.  Please share with us who you yourself would rather have followed.  Your answer may explain why you complain :)

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="redfisher">I looked briefly and didn&#039;t&quot; see a recent thread on the Afghanistan withdrawal. Sorry if i missed it, but since the &quot;usual&#039;s&quot; are still whining about Goetz, Trump and Covid, I thought we could discuss the Afghanistan withdrawal.</blockquote>I think everyone who regularly voices their opinions in the sowal lounge has made their opinion&#039;s known about Biden&#039;s execution of the contract Trump signed with the Taliban. Just like everything else it seems it became political. If Biden had torn up the contract and began intense fighting with the Taliban there would have been American lives lost AND he would have been criticized politically and personally. Here is the reality of the State of the Nation. In politics those in power are always damned as in damned if you do and damned if you don&#039;t. However in terms of reality President Biden would have been better off following President Obama rather than President Trump. Please share with us who you yourself would rather have followed. Your answer may explain why you complain 🙂

I beg to differ that perpetuating that war like Obama did, would have been a better decision. Some politicians see things in only the short term (i.e. getting re-elected- see Trump ignoring a deadly virus) Others see things in terms of a much broader vision of the world. Perpetuation this war is simply morally wrong, and Biden had the guts to make a really tough decision that will look terrible in the near future, but will seen as the right policy in the long run.

UofL

No wars are 'winnable'.  Especially since many of us are aware of Vietnam.  (Before I was born, all men in my family of age were in WW2.  One uncle was killed; another wounded; another in a Veterans hospital til he died in 1976 - PTSD today).  Also, after seeing some of the people who were involved in the insurrection plus some in the police departments, I don't think we could have done it any better than we did.  I don't think we can trust ourselves anymore much less other countries so NO MORE WARS.  Ellen

No wars are &#039;winnable&#039;.  Especially since many of us are aware of Vietnam.  (Before I was born, all men in my family of age were in WW2.  One uncle was killed; another wounded; another in a Veterans hospital til he died in 1976 - PTSD today).  Also, after seeing some of the people who were involved in the insurrection plus some in the police departments, I don&#039;t think we could have done it any better than we did.  I don&#039;t think we can trust ourselves anymore much less other countries so NO MORE WARS.  Ellen

Looks like it’s over. Now comes the faux outrage that an eighteen month warning isn’t enough time for a person to decide if leaving a country that has been at war for as long as anyone can remember is in their best interest.

L.C. Bane

[USER=2103]@redfisher[/USER], it sounds like there is a consensus. According to this board, this withdrawl was executed as best as could be expected and any deaths, fault or blame falls squarely on Trump and the people that were and are still there. Did you expect President Biden to handle this any different or better? If so, you should adjust your expectations accordingly. So sorry but time to move along....

<a href="https://sowal.com/forum/members/2103/">@redfisher</a>, it sounds like there is a consensus. According to this board, this withdrawl was executed as best as could be expected and any deaths, fault or blame falls squarely on Trump and the people that were and are still there. Did you expect President Biden to handle this any different or better? If so, you should adjust your expectations accordingly. So sorry but time to move along....

Matt J

SWGB

[QUOTE="L.C. Bane, post: 933084, member: 33232"]
[USER=2103]@redfisher[/USER], it sounds like there is a consensus. According to this board, this withdrawl was executed as best as could be expected and any deaths, fault or blame falls squarely on Trump and the people that were and are still there. Did you expect President Biden to handle this any different or better? If so, you should adjust your expectations accordingly. So sorry but time to move along....
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Bye. :wave:

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="L.C. Bane"><a href="https://sowal.com/forum/members/2103/">@redfisher</a>, it sounds like there is a consensus. According to this board, this withdrawl was executed as best as could be expected and any deaths, fault or blame falls squarely on Trump and the people that were and are still there. Did you expect President Biden to handle this any different or better? If so, you should adjust your expectations accordingly. So sorry but time to move along....</blockquote> 
Bye. :wave:

[QUOTE="Matt J, post: 933086, member: 4760"]
Bye. :wave:
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Ah yes but sorry, I know you are intolerent of others but I was addressing redfisher about the topic specifically. I'm sorry if that wasn't clear but should be now. Even for.....you.

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="Matt J">Bye. :wave:</blockquote>Ah yes but sorry, I know you are intolerent of others but I was addressing redfisher about the topic specifically. I&#039;m sorry if that wasn&#039;t clear but should be now. Even for.....you.

[QUOTE="L.C. Bane, post: 933088, member: 33232"]
Ah yes but sorry, I know you are intolerent of others but I was addressing redfisher about the topic specifically. I'm sorry if that wasn't clear but should be now. Even for.....you.
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That's what IM's are for. Post it publicly and it's open to public fodder, is that clear enough for you?

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="L.C. Bane">Ah yes but sorry, I know you are intolerent of others but I was addressing redfisher about the topic specifically. I&#039;m sorry if that wasn&#039;t clear but should be now. Even for.....you.</blockquote> 
That&#039;s what IM&#039;s are for. Post it publicly and it&#039;s open to public fodder, is that clear enough for you?

[QUOTE="L.C. Bane, post: 933084, member: 33232"]
[USER=2103]@redfisher[/USER], it sounds like there is a consensus. According to this board, this withdrawl was executed as best as could be expected and any deaths, fault or blame falls squarely on Trump and the people that were and are still there. Did you expect President Biden to handle this any different or better? If so, you should adjust your expectations accordingly. So sorry but time to move along....
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The fault for the deaths lies with those who killed them not trump not Biden. Now move on troll.

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="L.C. Bane"><a href="https://sowal.com/forum/members/2103/">@redfisher</a>, it sounds like there is a consensus. According to this board, this withdrawl was executed as best as could be expected and any deaths, fault or blame falls squarely on Trump and the people that were and are still there. Did you expect President Biden to handle this any different or better? If so, you should adjust your expectations accordingly. So sorry but time to move along....</blockquote>The fault for the deaths lies with those who killed them not trump not Biden. Now move on troll.

[QUOTE="Lake View Too, post: 933033, member: 9756"]
Americans and Afghans have been aware that we were withdrawing for over a year and a half. So, I see no useful purpose fretting about the people who chose to wait until the last month or last week to seek safe passage out of the country
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<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="Lake View Too">Americans and Afghans have been aware that we were withdrawing for over a year and a half. So, I see no useful purpose fretting about the people who chose to wait until the last month or last week to seek safe passage out of the country</blockquote>

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The last soldier to leave Afghanistan. 

Nearly 20 years after the first U.S. troops set foot on Afghanistan soil, Major Gen. Chris Donahue became the last military service member to depart the country Monday.

Donohue, with a Kabul airport hangar behind him, climbed aboard the final Air Force aircraft carrying U.S. forces to leave the country. The plane left just before a self-imposed U.S. deadline to evacuate: [URL="https://bit.ly/2WFBIlK"]Afghanistan latest: Taliban leaders walk across airport runway to mark triumph; US finishes withdrawal[/URL]

: Jack Holt, U.S. Central Command Public Affairs

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The last soldier to leave Afghanistan. 
 
Nearly 20 years after the first U.S. troops set foot on Afghanistan soil, Major Gen. Chris Donahue became the last military service member to depart the country Monday. 
 
Donohue, with a Kabul airport hangar behind him, climbed aboard the final Air Force aircraft carrying U.S. forces to leave the country. The plane left just before a self-imposed U.S. deadline to evacuate: <a href="https://bit.ly/2WFBIlK" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="noopener">Afghanistan latest: Taliban leaders walk across airport runway to mark triumph; US finishes withdrawal</a> 
 
: Jack Holt, U.S. Central Command Public Affairs 
 
<img src="https://sowal.com/forum/attachments/90791/" alt="FB_IMG_1630411428222.jpg" />

I looked briefly and didn't" see a recent thread on the Afghanistan withdrawal.  Sorry if i missed it, but since the "usual's" are still whining about Goetz, Trump and Covid, I thought we could discuss the Afghanistan withdrawal.

I looked briefly and didn&#039;t&quot; see a recent thread on the Afghanistan withdrawal.  Sorry if i missed it, but since the &quot;usual&#039;s&quot; are still whining about Goetz, Trump and Covid, I thought we could discuss the Afghanistan withdrawal.

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