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Go spend a day in an inclusion classroom. I have. Not advocating this at all, but when you have a child or more in a classroom that hits, kicks, bites, punches other children, destroys classroom materials (computers,laptops, toys, books) it's VERY challenging. The teachers in those classrooms are under way more stress than a teacher in a non-inclusion classroom. On top of trying to teach, they have to keep daily records and stats on the inclusion children. It's extremely difficult to stay on top of all their 'requirements', try to teach all the other children, all while you have one or two children screaming at the top of their lungs because another child looked at them. The toughest job in education is VPKD.  Voluntary Pre-kindergarten w/Disabilities. It is EXHAUSTING! And it is not pretty. And it is not fun to have to restrain a child that is out of control and doesn't even know he's out of control. There are methods to the madness though and even though it looks cruel, it's not physically hurting the child. School is possibly safer than home for a lot of these kids if you think about it.  It is an ugly truth.

Go spend a day in an inclusion classroom. I have. Not advocating this at all, but when you have a child or more in a classroom that hits, kicks, bites, punches other children, destroys classroom materials (computers,laptops, toys, books) it&#039;s VERY challenging. The teachers in those classrooms are under way more stress than a teacher in a non-inclusion classroom. On top of trying to teach, they have to keep daily records and stats on the inclusion children. It&#039;s extremely difficult to stay on top of all their &#039;requirements&#039;, try to teach all the other children, all while you have one or two children screaming at the top of their lungs because another child looked at them. The toughest job in education is VPKD.  Voluntary Pre-kindergarten w/Disabilities. It is EXHAUSTING! And it is not pretty. And it is not fun to have to restrain a child that is out of control and doesn&#039;t even know he&#039;s out of control. There are methods to the madness though and even though it looks cruel, it&#039;s not physically hurting the child. School is possibly safer than home for a lot of these kids if you think about it.  It is an ugly truth.

I wasn't able to see the article so I don't know what the circumstances were in this situation. But according to Misty this is a preschool situation. I've volunteered in a preschool setting and this would have never been even considered an option under any circumstances. Ever. If it had been I would have removed my child immediately. 

The teacher would have sat next to the child and rubbed his back and made him feel safe, which we did often for the ones that needed it. If something was wrong and the child was not able to stay in one place during nap time, the teacher would either find something else for the child to do or call the parent to pick up the child, depending. 

The teacher is responsible for creating a safe, secure and wonderful environment for learning, playing, engaging, napping, etc. 

I can't imagine how restraining a child to enforce a nap would ever be acceptable.

I wasn&#039;t able to see the article so I don&#039;t know what the circumstances were in this situation. But according to Misty this is a preschool situation. I&#039;ve volunteered in a preschool setting and this would have never been even considered an option under any circumstances. Ever. If it had been I would have removed my child immediately. 
 
The teacher would have sat next to the child and rubbed his back and made him feel safe, which we did often for the ones that needed it. If something was wrong and the child was not able to stay in one place during nap time, the teacher would either find something else for the child to do or call the parent to pick up the child, depending. 
 
The teacher is responsible for creating a safe, secure and wonderful environment for learning, playing, engaging, napping, etc. 
 
I can&#039;t imagine how restraining a child to enforce a nap would ever be acceptable.

I couldn't read the article either and i don't feel it's acceptable either Teresa. I'm just saying it's really hard on the teachers tasked with this type of classroom. There are two teachers per inclusion class. But what if you have 4 or 5 or more children on the spectrum that decide today is the day I'm going for broke and no one is having a good day? Those teachers literally walk on eggshells because the slightest change in routine for some children is a 7 hour tantrum. And don't forget they have other children to teach as well. It's very difficult too when parents send their children to school and they aren't potty trained, then you're also changing diapers and/or assisting in the bathroom trying to teach at school what should be done at home. There are lazy ass parents out there...so as soon as their child is of pre-K age, they're sending them regardless of the child's  needs.   A pre-KD teacher needs about 4 or 5 stunt doubles. I wouldn't take that job for anything, but I have the [B]highest[/B] respect for teachers that do.

I couldn&#039;t read the article either and i don&#039;t feel it&#039;s acceptable either Teresa. I&#039;m just saying it&#039;s really hard on the teachers tasked with this type of classroom. There are two teachers per inclusion class. But what if you have 4 or 5 or more children on the spectrum that decide today is the day I&#039;m going for broke and no one is having a good day? Those teachers literally walk on eggshells because the slightest change in routine for some children is a 7 hour tantrum. And don&#039;t forget they have other children to teach as well. It&#039;s very difficult too when parents send their children to school and they aren&#039;t potty trained, then you&#039;re also changing diapers and/or assisting in the bathroom trying to teach at school what should be done at home. There are lazy ass parents out there...so as soon as their child is of pre-K age, they&#039;re sending them regardless of the child&#039;s needs. A pre-KD teacher needs about 4 or 5 stunt doubles. I wouldn&#039;t take that job for anything, but I have the highest respect for teachers that do.

Misty

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[QUOTE="sunspotbaby, post: 834816, member: 2724"]Go spend a day in an inclusion classroom. I have. Not advocating this at all, but when you have a child or more in a classroom that hits, kicks, bites, punches other children, destroys classroom materials (computers,laptops, toys, books) it's VERY challenging. The teachers in those classrooms are under way more stress than a teacher in a non-inclusion classroom. On top of trying to teach, they have to keep daily records and stats on the inclusion children. It's extremely difficult to stay on top of all their 'requirements', try to teach all the other children, all while you have one or two children screaming at the top of their lungs because another child looked at them. The toughest job in education is VPKD.  Voluntary Pre-kindergarten w/Disabilities. It is EXHAUSTING! And it is not pretty. And it is not fun to have to restrain a child that is out of control and doesn't even know he's out of control. There are methods to the madness though and even though it looks cruel, it's not physically hurting the child. School is possibly safer than home for a lot of these kids if you think about it.  It is an ugly truth.[/QUOTE]

For someone who isn't advocating this type behavior, you have used an entire paragraph to justify it! 

THERE IS NO EXCUSE!

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="sunspotbaby">Go spend a day in an inclusion classroom. I have. Not advocating this at all, but when you have a child or more in a classroom that hits, kicks, bites, punches other children, destroys classroom materials (computers,laptops, toys, books) it&#039;s VERY challenging. The teachers in those classrooms are under way more stress than a teacher in a non-inclusion classroom. On top of trying to teach, they have to keep daily records and stats on the inclusion children. It&#039;s extremely difficult to stay on top of all their &#039;requirements&#039;, try to teach all the other children, all while you have one or two children screaming at the top of their lungs because another child looked at them. The toughest job in education is VPKD. Voluntary Pre-kindergarten w/Disabilities. It is EXHAUSTING! And it is not pretty. And it is not fun to have to restrain a child that is out of control and doesn&#039;t even know he&#039;s out of control. There are methods to the madness though and even though it looks cruel, it&#039;s not physically hurting the child. School is possibly safer than home for a lot of these kids if you think about it. It is an ugly truth.</blockquote> 
For someone who isn&#039;t advocating this type behavior, you have used an entire paragraph to justify it! 
 
THERE IS NO EXCUSE!

Yep, we changed diapers, the kids were babies and up to age three. Part of the job was helping potty train, working as a team with families. But these were not children with behavior problems or disabilities to speak of, though there were definitely behavior issues as the kids are so young. Highly trained teachers and Assistants made for a great learning environment for these tiny people, totally centered on positive learning for the kids and also education for families.

In our school, the child can not move up to the 3-6 program without certain skills such as potty trained. So it was in all our interest to support that child, that family and create a successful experience for everyone. It starts with highly trained teachers for leadership and oversight and carried out by a team of staff, volunteers and family. So many ways to ensure success for the child, and to involve families. I'm afraid that preschools today may be just a business without the necessary infrastructure of education and trained staff, beautiful environment, or mission for great education. A preschooler comes to school with an incredibly absorbent and amazing mind, regardless of his home life. The teacher has a huge responsibility to respect that and deliver the right education environment.

If we're talking environments that include children with disabilities then those developmental skill levels and timetables will be very different for certain children.. Teacher experience and training is so important. And the positive, safe, secure education environment is always necessary for success...for every class.

Yep, we changed diapers, the kids were babies and up to age three. Part of the job was helping potty train, working as a team with families. But these were not children with behavior problems or disabilities to speak of, though there were definitely behavior issues as the kids are so young. Highly trained teachers and Assistants made for a great learning environment for these tiny people, totally centered on positive learning for the kids and also education for families. 
 
In our school, the child can not move up to the 3-6 program without certain skills such as potty trained. So it was in all our interest to support that child, that family and create a successful experience for everyone. It starts with highly trained teachers for leadership and oversight and carried out by a team of staff, volunteers and family. So many ways to ensure success for the child, and to involve families. I&#039;m afraid that preschools today may be just a business without the necessary infrastructure of education and trained staff, beautiful environment, or mission for great education. A preschooler comes to school with an incredibly absorbent and amazing mind, regardless of his home life. The teacher has a huge responsibility to respect that and deliver the right education environment. 
 
If we&#039;re talking environments that include children with disabilities then those developmental skill levels and timetables will be very different for certain children.. Teacher experience and training is so important. And the positive, safe, secure education environment is always necessary for success...for every class.

Teresa, here are some other links...

[URL]http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2014/08/27/lawsuit-day-care-duct-tape-texas/14671977/[/URL]

[URL="http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Parents-Sue-Day-Care-Accused-of-Duct-Taping-Child-272719731.html"]Parents Sue Day Care Accused of Duct Taping Child[/URL]

[URL="http://www.people.com/article/texas-parents-sue-duct-tape-daycare"]Texas Parents Sue Day Care for Allegedly Duct Taping Kids to Nap Mats[/URL]

Teresa, here are some other links... 
 
<a href="http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2014/08/27/lawsuit-day-care-duct-tape-texas/14671977/" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="nofollow ugc noopener">http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2014/08/27/lawsuit-day-care-duct-tape-texas/14671977/</a> 
 
<a href="http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Parents-Sue-Day-Care-Accused-of-Duct-Taping-Child-272719731.html" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="nofollow ugc noopener">Parents Sue Day Care Accused of Duct Taping Child</a> 
 
<a href="http://www.people.com/article/texas-parents-sue-duct-tape-daycare" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="nofollow ugc noopener">Texas Parents Sue Day Care for Allegedly Duct Taping Kids to Nap Mats</a>

I'm not justifying it. I just tried to give an idea of what an inclusion classroom is like. Go visit one. Go help in one.  And when that kid throws a punch at your kid and your kid is traumatized everyday by that kid, what do you do?  My post is based on personal experience. And my personal feeling is that inclusion  maybe is not the best idea for some children. In fact at 3 yrs. old, [B]school [/B]is not the best idea for some children. period.

I&#039;m not justifying it. I just tried to give an idea of what an inclusion classroom is like. Go visit one. Go help in one. And when that kid throws a punch at your kid and your kid is traumatized everyday by that kid, what do you do? My post is based on personal experience. And my personal feeling is that inclusion maybe is not the best idea for some children. In fact at 3 yrs. old, school is not the best idea for some children. period.

[QUOTE="sunspotbaby, post: 834825, member: 2724"]I'm not justifying it. I just tried to give an idea of what an inclusion classroom is like. Go visit one. Go help in one.  And when that kid throws a punch at your kid and your kid is traumatized everyday by that kid, what do you do?  My post is based on personal experience. And my personal feeling is that inclusion  maybe is not the best idea for some children. In fact at 3 yrs. old, [B]school [/B]is not the best idea for some children. period.[/QUOTE]


This is a Montessori School...(private) the child is 2 1/2 years old and the concepts of a Montessori School are
[LIST]
[*]Mixed age classrooms, with classrooms for children ages 2½ or 3 to 6 years old by far the most common
[*]Student choice of activity from within a prescribed range of options
[*]Uninterrupted blocks of work time, ideally three hours
[*]A constructivist or "discovery" model, where students learn concepts from working with materials, rather than by direct instruction
[*]Specialized educational materials developed by Montessori and collaborators
[*][B][U]Freedom of movement within the classroom[/U][/B]
[/LIST]

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="sunspotbaby">I&#039;m not justifying it. I just tried to give an idea of what an inclusion classroom is like. Go visit one. Go help in one. And when that kid throws a punch at your kid and your kid is traumatized everyday by that kid, what do you do? My post is based on personal experience. And my personal feeling is that inclusion maybe is not the best idea for some children. In fact at 3 yrs. old, school is not the best idea for some children. period.</blockquote> 
 
This is a Montessori School...(private) the child is 2 1/2 years old and the concepts of a Montessori School are 
<ul>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">Mixed age classrooms, with classrooms for children ages 2½ or 3 to 6 years old by far the most common</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">Student choice of activity from within a prescribed range of options</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">Uninterrupted blocks of work time, ideally three hours</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">A constructivist or &quot;discovery&quot; model, where students learn concepts from working with materials, rather than by direct instruction</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">Specialized educational materials developed by Montessori and collaborators</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">Freedom of movement within the classroom</li>
</ul>

[QUOTE="Misty, post: 834824, member: 19980"]Teresa, here are some other links...

[URL="http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2014/08/27/lawsuit-day-care-duct-tape-texas/14671977/"]Family claims toddler strapped with duct tape, sues day care[/URL]

[URL="http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Parents-Sue-Day-Care-Accused-of-Duct-Taping-Child-272719731.html"]Parents Sue Day Care Accused of Duct Taping Child[/URL]

[URL="http://www.people.com/article/texas-parents-sue-duct-tape-daycare"]Texas Parents Sue Day Care for Allegedly Duct Taping Kids to Nap Mats[/URL][/QUOTE]
Thank you. This is a montessori school, or so called. My experience is with montessori which is such a great method and philosophy for young children and families. This Texas teacher is definitely guilty of doing a lot of terrible things. I just can't imagine how the parents feel. Devastating.

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="Misty">Teresa, here are some other links... 
 
<a href="http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2014/08/27/lawsuit-day-care-duct-tape-texas/14671977/" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="nofollow ugc noopener">Family claims toddler strapped with duct tape, sues day care</a> 
 
<a href="http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Parents-Sue-Day-Care-Accused-of-Duct-Taping-Child-272719731.html" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="nofollow ugc noopener">Parents Sue Day Care Accused of Duct Taping Child</a> 
 
<a href="http://www.people.com/article/texas-parents-sue-duct-tape-daycare" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="nofollow ugc noopener">Texas Parents Sue Day Care for Allegedly Duct Taping Kids to Nap Mats</a></blockquote>Thank you. This is a montessori school, or so called. My experience is with montessori which is such a great method and philosophy for young children and families. This Texas teacher is definitely guilty of doing a lot of terrible things. I just can&#039;t imagine how the parents feel. Devastating.

[QUOTE="sunspotbaby, post: 834825, member: 2724"]I'm not justifying it. I just tried to give an idea of what an inclusion classroom is like. Go visit one. Go help in one.  And when that kid throws a punch at your kid and your kid is traumatized everyday by that kid, what do you do?  My post is based on personal experience. And my personal feeling is that inclusion  maybe is not the best idea for some children. In fact at 3 yrs. old, [B]school [/B]is not the best idea for some children. period.[/QUOTE]
You are referring to a child who needs a more supportive learning environment. Unfortunately, in some cases parents have to pay to place their child with unique needs in a school that is prepared to provide a supportive environment. There are a few locally, but they would be considered inclusion as well. Just smaller class environments and teachers well equipped or experienced in developmental issues, montessori principles, etc. . 

Our montessori school wasn't necessarily equipped to include children with disabilities beyond mild learning disabilities. But a few of the local private schools end up being a great placement for certain children with unique needs, autism, etc. Just depends on the kid. 

I'm sorry about the public ed experience. It shouldn't have to be the case. I agree that not all kids are ready for preschool. And not all classrooms are suited for all kids. Don't know the solution though. Duck taping a child to his mat isn't it.

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="sunspotbaby">I&#039;m not justifying it. I just tried to give an idea of what an inclusion classroom is like. Go visit one. Go help in one. And when that kid throws a punch at your kid and your kid is traumatized everyday by that kid, what do you do? My post is based on personal experience. And my personal feeling is that inclusion maybe is not the best idea for some children. In fact at 3 yrs. old, school is not the best idea for some children. period.</blockquote>You are referring to a child who needs a more supportive learning environment. Unfortunately, in some cases parents have to pay to place their child with unique needs in a school that is prepared to provide a supportive environment. There are a few locally, but they would be considered inclusion as well. Just smaller class environments and teachers well equipped or experienced in developmental issues, montessori principles, etc. . 
 
Our montessori school wasn&#039;t necessarily equipped to include children with disabilities beyond mild learning disabilities. But a few of the local private schools end up being a great placement for certain children with unique needs, autism, etc. Just depends on the kid. 
 
I&#039;m sorry about the public ed experience. It shouldn&#039;t have to be the case. I agree that not all kids are ready for preschool. And not all classrooms are suited for all kids. Don&#039;t know the solution though. Duck taping a child to his mat isn&#039;t it.

Matt J

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Seems like someone is just using the Montessori name and concept to avoid any actual learning plans at what sounds like a profit driven daycare.

I read this article a while back. It's written by a teacher. 

[URL="https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/wp/2014/11/14/teacher-to-parents-about-that-kid-the-one-who-hits-disrupts-and-influences-your-kid/"]Teacher to parents: About THAT kid (the one who hits, disrupts and influences YOUR kid)[/URL]

I read this article a while back. It&#039;s written by a teacher. 
 
<a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/wp/2014/11/14/teacher-to-parents-about-that-kid-the-one-who-hits-disrupts-and-influences-your-kid/" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="nofollow ugc noopener">Teacher to parents: About THAT kid (the one who hits, disrupts and influences YOUR kid)</a>

DebraJ

Beach Comber

It was completely justified, the kid had a homemade clock under the blanket.

"Inclusion" is the current repub public education model. no help for low i.q.,autistic,emotional issues,second language...no nothing. Everyone is in the same class, and everyone suffers equally. The 70 i.q. kid who is only capable of some mild drawing and learning how to put his chair away takes the FCAT, and the teacher is evaluated in his "progress". This is the priority in Florida. This is the same state that balanced the 2-3 billion dollar budget deficit a few years ago by stealing teacher pension contribution money. It's a recipe for failure to destroy teacher morale, use your kids as fodder, and prop up private schools.

&quot;Inclusion&quot; is the current repub public education model. no help for low i.q.,autistic,emotional issues,second language...no nothing. Everyone is in the same class, and everyone suffers equally. The 70 i.q. kid who is only capable of some mild drawing and learning how to put his chair away takes the FCAT, and the teacher is evaluated in his &quot;progress&quot;. This is the priority in Florida. This is the same state that balanced the 2-3 billion dollar budget deficit a few years ago by stealing teacher pension contribution money. It&#039;s a recipe for failure to destroy teacher morale, use your kids as fodder, and prop up private schools.

I blame voucher pushers for the horrible decline. Of course the shiny new charter school looks better than the out of date over crowded school, one was neglected so the other could thrive.

Look closely. That’s a preschool child, duct taped to his mat at nap time. A teacher snapped the picture, shocked at what she saw. She then quit her job. This was apparently the final straw in a series of other disturbing things happening to the kids at the daycare. 

 [URL="http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/story/26377649/todder"]Tampa Bay news, weather forecast, radar, and sports from WTVT-TV - FOX 13 News[/URL]

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Look closely. That’s a preschool child, duct taped to his mat at nap time. A teacher snapped the picture, shocked at what she saw. She then quit her job. This was apparently the final straw in a series of other disturbing things happening to the kids at the daycare. 
 
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