Smiling JOe avatar
SoWal Expert
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Please do so where we can all understand. Mahalo!

This link may help a little. I see we have private beaches but because the way it is written kicking people off the beaches will never hold up in court. It is easy to prove that folks have been using the beaches for years.

http://www.surfrider.org/qa_access.aspx?stsel=FL

You see, BlueMtnBeachVagrant, ownership is as clear as mud. I know of no Gulf Front property in Walton County which has not been used without objection by the landowner for more than twenty years. Erecting a sign now, doesn't do much in the eyes of the courts, if those two cases sighted in the above link are correct. Although I don't own Gulf Front property, I do own property which had a jeep trail on it for years, and was widend by 50 ft, and paved as a two way road, for public use. The County never bothered getting a survey, because if they would have, they would have seen that the property adjacent and east of my property was deeded for the road. I think the beach property is no different from mine, in that it has been used by the public for numerous years, so it is deemed public, even though I own it and pay taxes on the road and right of way.

Seems like this issue needs its own thread, so here it is.

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Beach Comber
#27
Yes people need to get involved in this issue before it gets out of hand. Thanks for your support.
Smiling JOe avatar
SoWal ExpertAuthor
#28
From the State Attorney General's Office:

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The Tona-Rama (FL Supreme Court) case recognizes the common law principle of "customary use" by the public of Florida's dry sand beaches. The court held that if the public's recreational use of a privately owned sandy area adjacent to the mean high tide has been ancient, reasonable, without interruption, and free from dispute, such use, as a matter of custom, should not be interfered with by the owner. However, the owner is allowed to make any use of his property that is consistent with such public use and is not calculated to interfere with the exercise of the right of the public to enjoy the dry sandy area as a recreational adjunct of the wet sand or foreshore area, which is held by the state in trust for the people.[12]

...

While the court rejected a finding of a public easement in the property, it acknowledged the historical right of the public to use Florida's beaches:

"We recognize the propriety of protecting the public interest in, and right to utilization of, the beaches and oceans of the State of Florida. No part of Florida is more exclusively hers, nor more properly utilized by her people than her beaches. And the right of the public of access to, and enjoyment of, Florida's oceans and beaches has long been recognized by this Court."[14]

The court recognized the "customary rights doctrine" or "customary right of use doctrine" as it is employed to afford the public full use of beach property in Florida:

"If the recreational use of the sandy area adjacent to mean high tide has been ancient, reasonable, without interruption and free from dispute, such use, as a matter of custom, should not be interfered with by the owner. However, the owner may make any use of his property which is consistent with such public use and not calculated to interfere with exercise of the right of the public to enjoy the dry sand area as a recreational adjunct of the wet sand or foreshore area."

This right of customary use of the dry sand area of the beaches by the public does not create any interest in the land itself. Although this right of use cannot be revoked by the land owner, it is subject to appropriate governmental regulation and may be abandoned by the public.[15]

The court concluded:

"The general public may continue to use the dry sand area for their usual recreational activities, not because the public has any interest in the land itself, but because of a right gained through custom to use this particular area of the beach as they have without dispute and without interruption for many years."
[16]

In any particular case, however, whether this "customary right of use" exists in a particular piece of property is a mixed question of law and fact that must be resolved judicially. As the Fifth District Court of Appeal recently recognized in the case of Reynolds v. County of Volusia,[17] "[t]hat doctrine requires the courts to ascertain in each case the degree of customary and ancient use the beach has been subjected to and, in addition, to balance whether the proposed use of the land by the fee owners will interfere with such use enjoyed by the public in the past."[18]

The right of a municipality to regulate and control dry sand beach property within its municipal boundaries is not dependent on the finding of the Florida Supreme Court in City of Daytona Beach v. Tona-Rama, Inc. However, that case establishes the "customary use" doctrine in Florida, which may be relied on and would provide direction in cases involving private property rights and trespass.
John R avatar
needs to get out more
#29
this will get quite interesting before it gets resolved in Walton County.
Beach Comber
#30
Check out the thread Taken Away In Handcuffs, this guy was criminally trespassed for being in the wet sand and spent half a day in jail.
joho avatar
Beach Fanatic
#31
Your all getting your g-strings in a twist.........

The property owners of the Retreat apparently own to the mean high water line, if they didn't there would'nt have been an arrest.

I'm sure an arrogant homeowner called the police which the officer probably explained the situation to the "accidental tourist".

This is where all of this could have been avoided.
Instead of the "accidental tourist" quietly moving one way or another or deciding to relax on one of our many other beaches, he decided to revolt. Who knows from there what kind of lashing outbursts took place?

It's an unfortunate situation for all and chances are we will probably hear more of these situations.............. :(

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Bobby J avatar
Beach Fanatic
#32
I am very thankful to the fellow that got arrested. I think this is the kind of publicity that will bring this growing debate to the media. We need to get allot of attention on this. This will backfire on the homeowners!
Smiling JOe avatar
SoWal ExpertAuthor
#33
I wonder if it is possible to SoWal while in jail. I need to go on a diet anyway. Jdarg, are you gonna feed my dogs? Now I just need someone to pay my rent. :scratch:
Jdarg avatar
SoWal Expert
#34
I wonder if it is possible to SoWal while in jail. I need to go on a diet anyway. Jdarg, are you gonna feed my dogs? Now I just need someone to pay my rent. :scratch:

If you take one for the team, I can feed the dogs.:lol: Kate will bake you a sand castle cake.;-)
Smiling JOe avatar
SoWal ExpertAuthor
#35
If you take one for the team, I can feed the dogs.:lol: Kate will bake you a sand castle cake.;-)
Good. I learned how to pick locks last night. I :wub: youtube.com. ;-)
NoHall avatar
hmmmm......can't remember
#36
Good. I learned how to pick locks last night. I :wub: youtube.com. ;-)

Oh, Lordy--you been hangin' out with Hop? :roll:
Andy A avatar
Beach Fanatic
#37
I do not know who you are, Smiling Joe, but you are obviously a very intelligent and well informed individual. I live on the beach and while some of the issues concerning seawalls and other things are erroneous, the beach use issue is not. The beach is there for EVERYONE to use, not just wealthy homeowners. I just returned from a walk to look at the signs in question at the Village of White Cliffs and the Inn at Blue Mountain Beach. Both signs are atrocious and out of context with the beauty of the beach. Both Homeowner's Associations should be ashamed of themselves! Keep us informed, Smiling Joe, some of us need it more than others.
Pirate avatar
Beach Fanatic
#38
Anyone who calls the police because "their beach" is being used by someone should be flogged with a 9 iron. These homowners should be ashamed. I own a house in Blue Mountain but may not much longer.
Smiling JOe avatar
SoWal ExpertAuthor
#39
Anyone who calls the police because "their beach" is being used by someone should be flogged with a 9 iron. These homowners should be ashamed. I own a house in Blue Mountain but may not much longer.
May I borrow your 9 iron, or should I use my PW?
Andy A avatar
Beach Fanatic
#40
May I borrow your 9 iron, or should I use my PW?
I think we should use my driver and its left handed so they probably won't see it coming.
Smiling JOe avatar
SoWal ExpertAuthor
#41
I think we should use my driver and its left handed so they probably won't see it coming.
Glad I already finished drinking my coffee, because I would have spit it all over my monitor. :floor::clap:
6thGen avatar
Beach Fanatic
#42
I finally read the decision. The Court may have went one step past common law of adverse possession in order to protect one of the state's most valuable resources.
Smiling JOe avatar
SoWal ExpertAuthor
#43
FL Supreme Court, Tona-Rama (full report)

Even if it should be found t h a t such an easement had been acquired by prescription, the defendant-owner could make
any use of the land consistent with, or n o t calculated t o
i n t e r f e r e with, the exercise of the easement by the public.
See Tifjfany, (Third Edition), V o l . 3, Section
811. The erection of the sky tower was consistent with the
recreational use of the land by the public and could not i n t e r -
fere with the exercise of any easement the public may have acquired
by prescription, i f such w e r e the case.
The beaches of Florida are of such a character as to
use and potential development as to require separate consideration
from other lands w i t h respect to the elements and consequences
of t i t l e .
The sandy portion of the beaches are of no
use for farming, grazing, t i m b e r production, or residency--
the t r a d i t i o n a l uses of land--but has served as a thoroughfare
and haven for fishermen and bathers, as w e l l as a place of
recreation for the public. The i n t e r e s t and r i g h t s of the public
to the f u l l use of the beaches should be protected. Two states,
Oregon and Hawaii, have used the "customary r i g h t s doctrine" to
afford the r i g h t s in beach property. State ex rel. Thornton v.
Bay, 254 O r e . 584, 462 P.2d 671 (1969); In re: Ashford, 50 Hawaii
314, 440 P.2d 76 (1968). See also Fla. Law Review, Easements:
Judicial and Lesislative Protection of the Public's Riqhts i n
Florida's Beaches by W. Roderick Bowdoin, Vol. XXV, No. 3, pp 586-
590 (Spring 1973).
As stated in Tiffany Real Property, (Third Edition), Vol,
3, 935:
"In England, persons of a certain l o c a l i t y
or of a certain class may have, by immemorial
custom, a right to make use of land belonging
t o an individual. Thus, there may be a custom
for the inhabitants of a certain town t o dance
or play games on a particular piece of land
belonging t o an individual, or to go thereon
in order to get w a t e r . So there may be a custom
for fishermen to dry nets on certain land,
or for persons in a c e r t a i n t r a d e ( v i c t u a l e r s )
to erect booths upon c e r t a i n p r i v a t e land during
a f a i r . The custom, to be valid, 'must have
continued from t i m e i m m e m o r i a l , without
i n t e r r u p t i o n , and as of r i g h t ; it must be
c e r t a i n as to the place, and as to the
persons; and it must be c e r t a i n and reasonable
as to the subject matter or r i g h t s
created,
. . .
"Occasionally i n t h i s country it has
been decided t h a t r i g h t s to use p r i v a t e
land cannot thus be created by custom, f o r
the reason t h a t they would tend so to burden
land as to i n t e r f e r e with its improvement
and a l i e n a t i o n , and also because there can
be no usage i n t h i s country of an i m m e m o r i a l
character. In one state, on the other hand,
the existence of such customary r i g h t s is
affirmed, and i n others t h i s is assumed in
decisions adverse to the existence of the
r i g h t i n the p a r t i c u l a r case." (pp. 623-
624)
If the r e c r e a t i o n a l use of the sandy area adjacent to mean
high tide has been ancient, reasonable, without i n t e r r u p t i o n
and free from dispute, such use, as a matter of custom, should
not be i n t e r f e r e d with by the owner.
However, the owner may
make any use of his property which is c o n s i s t e n t with such public
use and not calculated to i n t e r f e r e with the exercise of
the r i g h t of the public to enjoy the dry sand area as a recrea
t i o n a l adjunct of the w e t sand or foreshore area.
This r i g h t of customary use of the dry sand area of the
beaches by the public does not create any i n t e r e s t in the land
itself. Although t h i s r i g h t of use cannot be revoked by the
land owner, it is subject to appropriate governmental regulation
and may be abandoned by the public.
The r i g h t s of the owner of
the dry sand area may be compared to r i g h t s of a part-owner of
a land-locked nannavigable lake, as described i n Duval v, Thomas,
114 So.2d 791 (Fla. 1959).
Testimony was presented t h a t the p u b l i c ' s presence on
the land and its use of the land was not adverse to the i n t e r -
est of defendant, but r a t h e r t h a t the defendant's Main S t r e e t
p i e r relied on the presence of such seekers of the sea for its
business. Thus, the issue of adversity was c l e a r l y raised and
the evidence f a i l e d to show any adverse use by the public. In
fact, the construction of the sea t o w e r was c o n s i s t e n t with the
general recreational use by the public.
may continue t o use the dry sand area for t h e i r usual recre-
The general public
a t i o n a l a c t i v i t i e s , not because the public has any i n t e r e s t
i n the land i t s e l f , but because of a r i g h t gained through
custom to use t h i s p a r t i c u l a r area of the beach as they have
without dispute and without interruption for many years.
The decision of the D i s t r i c t Court of Appeal is quashed
and t h i s cause is remanded to the D i s t r i c t Court with instructions
to f u r t h e r remand the same to the t r i a l court for the
purpose of entering f i n a l judgment for defendant.
It is so ordered.
Smiling JOe avatar
SoWal ExpertAuthor
#44
Here are some new changes in enforcement. I like those apples. Finally, they decided to listen to my idea. It should be up to the person filing the complaint to prove that a trespass exists, prior to someone being arrested, locked in jail. Otherwise, anyone could charge anyone else with trespassing just to have the other person arrested and locked in jail. :clap:


From www.waltonsun.com


County looks to dodge beach privatization bullet

By Sean Boone sean_boone@link.freedom.com




In July 2007, a visitor from Atlanta was arrested for not leaving a private beach property near The Retreat subdivision in Blue Mountain Beach. That arrest sparked controversy over what and where is deemed off limits to the public on South Walton beaches.
At the time of the incident, the Walton County Sheriff’s Office was enforcing the wet sand line as to where a person could legally sit or loiter in front of a private beach. But since the incident, the WCSO is now enforcing a state attorney’s code that requires proof of representative authority.
According to a state attorney’s document sent to the WCSO in August 2007, a representative of the property or property owner must obtain a sworn statement from the complainant that includes the exact latitude/longitude of the trespass and have proper photographs to show landmarks around where the trespass took place.
Captain Eddie Farris of the WCSO said their enforcement would continue to adhere to what the state attorney asks of them.
“As long as we meet the state attorney’s request,” he said. “We will go by what they say.”
Under the new code, the wet sand enforcement would also be changed requiring an owner to provide the plot of the mean-high-tide area over a 19-year period.
The 1974 City of Daytona Beach v. Tona-Rama Inc. case brought beach privatization into full light, ruling that property that historically had been used as public access, could not be deemed private.
But many gray areas remain as to what is historic public access in the state of Florida.
Recently, Walton and Okaloosa County beach renourishment efforts have raised questions over what is the private beach owner’s rightful land and what is part of public beach after additional sand is added that extends property.
A lawsuit from three homeowners challenging the state’s erosion control permit was heard by the U.S. Supreme Court in April 2007, but a decision in the matter has not yet been tendered.
South Walton Tourist Development Beach Maintenance Manager David Sell said in a recent e-mail that the Remove It Or Lose It program, which removes items left on county beaches overnight, would not be able to patrol renourished beaches in the western end of the county until the Supreme Court ruling is made to determine if the area of beach is private or public.
“It is the county position that it should be public from the CCL (Coastal Construction Line) to the water,” he said. “However, we must wait to hear how the courts rule on it.”
Last year, Edgewater Condominiums in Miramar Beach fi led suit against Walton County after threats were made to remove their volleyball net, which was seen as a removable item under the TDC’s program.
“Since the code said chairs, tents, toys etc., Edgewater management thought the county had over-stepped its authority,” said Edgewater President Suzanne Harris. “Edgewater thought it was selective enforcement because an investigation by our attorney found there were many volleyball nets that had not been tagged, such as the one at the Whale’s Tail restaurant that was (on) public beach.”
BEACH SAFETY
LOOPHOLE
The South Walton Fire District’s Beach Safety program currently patrols more than 26 miles of beaches in South Walton. Much of the patrolling is done by roving (vehicles) below the high tide mark of private beaches.
“The majority of our responses are on private beaches,” said SWFD Beach Safety Director Gary Wise. “Without roving patrol west of Pompano Joe’s there would be no response (on west end of county beaches).”
Walton County currently has eight public beach accesses with lifeguard towers, but according to Wise many of the private beach areas have the worst rip currents.
“Two of the worst rip current areas are in Miramar Beach (on private property),” he said. “There are 26 miles of beach. Divide that by eight and you don’t have an ideal mathematical equation.”
Wise said his lifeguards were involved with 45 rescues and more than 50 assists (helped from the water) during Memorial Day weekend – many of who were swimming in front of private beach properties.

Private beach property creates a tricky legal situation for Walton County authorities. (Sean Boone/ The Sun)
5thGenFlo avatar
Beach Lover
#45
Seems like this issue needs its own thread, so here it is.
We have a public road on our property as well. We brought this to the attention of the tax assessor's office and they exempted the road from our assessed property size. It reduced our taxes somewhat without changing the property deminsions we own.

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