Beach Vendor Meeting

Saturday 3/14/15. Reserved Wed-Fri. Which Wed.? Blue Mt.

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Just saw something similar...

This will be the new way to get around "Ghost Chairs". Put up a reserved sign...

You could created a fictitious name, put up a card and there's your advertising and not so much a Ghost Chair any more...

I know this is the way chairs are reserved, well aware of it. But now what stops someone from creating a fake reservation?

For years there were never these problems on any public beach, why now?

I sincerely hope the Beach Chair Vendors get some good leadership to be pro-active about resolving these issues. Beach Buggys sounds like they have a good head on their shoulders, although we don't agree 100%.

Solutions are pretty simple, who's going to lead by example and who's going to buck the system?

Word around here , over heard by a local, beach boys saying ,"they will put their chairs where ever they want and NO one can stop them"....... we will see...

It's no secret that I don't like C Jones or her overbearing, mouthy spouse but....IMO I think this ones a stretch Mr. Hudson. If it turns out you're correct...KUDOS on you.

We shall see

Saturday 3/14/15. Reserved Wed-Fri. Which Wed.? Blue Mt.

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I hope that gets removed from the beach. Awful.

I hope that gets removed from the beach. Awful.

And that picture right there is the reason the county can ban ghost chairs but it will never be enforced. One vendor has been doing this at my beach for a couple of summers now, putting a ghost set up in the prime spot first thing in the morning. A time or two he even moved my stuff! while I was out in the water. And now they wonder why people are so angry.

Word around here , over heard by a local, beach boys saying ,"they will put their chairs where ever they want and NO one can stop them"....... we will see...

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Seems like there is a lot of this elitist narcissistic " I'll do whatever I want to" attitude in the "neighborhood" and not just from the local beach boys.

Word around here , over heard by a local, beach boys saying ,"they will put their chairs where ever they want and NO one can stop them"....... we will see...

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Here's a little industry secret steel1man...

The Achilles heel of the chair vendor is the Tail Gate Tent.

http://www.sportsunlimitedinc.com/tailgatetents.html

We can even logo one with "30a" on it!

Would you like to go into business and rent these with me?

Same rules apply... (Don't they?).

Oops, just opened Cecilas (Pandoras) box...

If I were a beach vendor, I'd think it about time to fix your own problem before you have Govnt do it for you.

Just a thought...

I was wondering, do rental companies offer packages when a house is rented, beach set up is included? If you think about it, this could add to the problem of ghost set ups.. An easy add on to up sell or placade unsatisfied guests, etc.

If the chair vendors are that arrogant, its probably because they know that they can get away with anything in spite of ordinances. If I had the time and inclination to push back I would propose a sit in on the prime public locations. Take away their "angling" and let them know that it's a two way street. I don't even go to the beach anymore because its a pita. Most likely they don't have the betterment of the beach and community in mind when they stake their claim on public property.

As a side question, what hours of the day are bonfire permits good for?

People should think before they speak

First of all I hear a lot of ignorance. This proposed ordinance is unconstitutional and a huge mess that they will not even be able to enforce. Wasted money. I dont even know why were paying Jim Bagby with the TDC around 180k a year. What a joke.
Unless the county and commissioners want a lawsuit on their hands they need to consult with a second attorney. Ive already spoke with mine. Im sure nobody wants to file against the county/TDC whomever but it will happen if this beach in over-regulated and in an unconstitutional way.
Yes ghost chairs bother me. If beach attendants did say they can do whatever they want that is an issue for me. However the comments about people getting free rent is absurd. The money circulates. Has anyone taken an economics class. The tourists come here because they have the money. They have the money to spend on beach chair service, and they have the money to spend on large fancy houses. When they spend money on beach chairs, bonfires, kayaks, bikes and so forth it creates jobs. The owners and their staff now have the money to buy groceries at Publix, and Walmart. They now have the money to put their kids in daycare. They have the money for car insurance, cable, gas, electric, buying clothes for their family at the outlets, etc. Likewise people who work at Publix, the gas station, the utility company, the daycare now have JOBS!!!!! This is the area we live in. Its tourism based and driven. We need tourism to survive.

Ashley some of what you say is true but some of the other is BS. Regulation of public accesses does fall under the county. When law enforcement can make you get out of the water due to surf conditions,,they can write you a ticket for having glass or a dog on the beach or having an unpermitted bonfire they can regulate vendors on public beaches.

I don't think its a matter of money or who gets paid for what, or who is in charge or who isn't. It's simply a matter of stopping the vendor chair set up free for all on public beach accesses that's ruining the beautiful beach experience for visitors and locals. That's the bottom line.

I don't think its a matter of money or who gets paid for what, or who is in charge or who isn't. It's simply a matter of stopping the vendor chair set up free for all on public beach accesses that's ruining the beautiful beach experience for visitors and locals. That's the bottom line.

Free for all sums it up perfectly.

I've read the Constitution a lot of times and seem to have missed any reference to beach chairs. ;-)

But Ashley has her own agenda: http://sowal.com/bb/showthread.php/75301-beach-bonfires-beach-chairs-bikes-baby-equipment-and-more!

This will be a class action law suit. Regardless of what side.

Commie vs. Socialist vs. ( insert here )...

So silly. Why was this never an issue before?

Yup, small business member... Don't let the socialist tell you what to do!

You go girl.

But similar to the golf cart issue, i have many, many repeat customers that have always stayed in communities like watercolor or rosemary beach that banned or restricted LSV's. These customers have decided to rent elsewhere, so they could still have the luxury of a golf cart. I do believe the same will apply to beach chairs, if you make the luxuries inaccessible, there will definitely be people who decide to go where they can be catered too. My stance on the issue is lets not make vacationing in South Walton more trouble than its worth to our guests. Keep the luxuries readily available.

What some consider a luxury, others consider a nuisance. If the beach chair and other vendors were behaving, these rules wouldn't be necessary.

How does the county define a public beach vs. a private beach?

And are chair setups at properties that own to the water governed by this ordinance, or by the turtle watch ordinance restricting vendor chair setups to after 7:30 am?

P.S.

If the choice is between chair vendors and those permanent beach tent setups, I think I'll barf.

How does the county define a public beach vs. a private beach? And are chair setups at properties that own to the water governed by this ordinance, or by the turtle watch ordinance restricting vendor chair setups to after 7:30 am? P.S. If the choice is between chair vendors and those permanent beach tent setups, I think I'll barf.

anything left over night on the beach could be collected by SWBControl or there fair game if you want a tent..

anything left over night on the beach could be collected by SWBControl or there fair game if you want a tent..

Thanks. But I'm curious if chair vendors on "private" beaches, however the county defines those, can set up chairs before 7:30 am, say at 6:30? Or do this and the turtle watch ordinance only apply to "public" beaches. For example, I keep hearing that Adagio has a private beach, or Andy's complex has a private beach. Are they exempt?

And I read the propose ordinance changes a couple of times but couldn't find a definition of "public beach" or "private beach," which is why I ask about the county definition.

As far as the county is concerned, there are no "private" beaches when it come to items left on the beach when they shouldn't be. They can pick them up if left overnight. The turtle watch owns the beach in the morning until 7:30, and rightly so. This includes all beaches. Private beaches are not exempt from Walton County ordinances or turtle watch ordinances and regulations.

The county and TDC's use of the term "public beaches" has been a little confusing, but in recent discussions on vending they seem to be referring to public beach accesses and beachfront associated with those. This would include the property leased from the state on Grayton Beach, even though it is adjacent to privately-owned upland property. (Vending was discontinued last year on the latter property because upland property owners' permission is required and those owners decided they did not want vending.) The rules for time of vendor access to the beach refer to all vendors in the ordinance.

They actually need to wait for the all clear from South Walton Turtle Watch via Alerts.

Does Walton County know how many Beach Vendors operate on the Beaches of South Walton ?

Are they all in possession of the proper Permits?

Does Walton County know how many Beach Vendors operate on the Beaches of South Walton ? Are they all in possession of the proper Permits?

this AM at 8:00 ish we already have 4 different vendors sit-up ( one first timer) and two more to come,so 6 vendors on one public beach. They will share
41'x41' if passed...#WWF. #Iamsellingtics .Sowal's next problem? vendor fights...on and on.......

Jackalope:

We Do offer preferred vendors to our clients and attempt to book all those rental items before the renters arrive. I have been lurking on this for a while now. I do think we need to support the vendor whom are representative of good practices vs the Ghost crowd. I do believe as a management company my clients (renters) do want to use those services (bikes, kayaks, etc.) and i would not want to be the person that tells an old seagrove renter that they cannot have chairs and umbrellas for their 80 year old mother or 6 month old baby because we have just boycotted the vendors or force them to drive down 3 miles and attempt to park with all the other folks when there is a beach access at the end of their street?
so how do we participate, book early, set ups are "real" and services provided are paid in full. Just our part to help. I do think renters left to their own beach setups , garbage will increase due to lack of those same people not wanting to LUG their recently purchased cheap "light" furniture up from the beach on Fri. night when they know some person will just get it for them. lastly, if you ever want to start a collection of beach toys, chairs, boogey boards, noodles etc. just cruise the rental homes saturday morning or look at all the beach access points in the mornings. I think this is curbed to a degree by Having beach vendors. (the good ones, wink wink), I applaud the person that started the "free, recycle, the beach stuff" yes, i'm stealing that idea! small, moves man, small moves!
there are many valid arguments here on both sides, it would just be hard for me to put someone out of business that really was trying to become part of the solution.