C. Jones tries to pull a fast one on taxpayers.

@earl

What you have to say is not very high on my priority list of things to read.

Thank you for clearing up any misconceptions I may have had about that as well. The fact that you continue to comment and quote me says otherwise.

Seeing I'm pretty busy with life and all (enjoying it) taking in the sunshine I really try to stay out of the negativity that is on here

Yet, after taking a 4 month hiatus you jumped back in with both feet to defend, criticize and marginalize others? I think I'm following the hypocrisy now and completely understand where you're coming from. Thanks for clearing up that misconception also.

let's post all of our stuff on a public forum so everyone can read and laugh at it. Take a little advice all this ondue stress you are causing yourself is not good for ya... until next time

I'm very sorry you find it funny that a County Commissioner tried to pull a fast one on the taxpayers to pay a $300.00 bill the taxpayers DO NOT OWE! Your comments suggest that, if she were as successful as you claim, it would never have been an issue to start with and she would not have submitted the bill under agenda items and we wouldn't be having this conversation and I assuredly would not have had anything to post about.

Ya think?

I am not sure what "ondue stress" is, I actually googled it and couldn't find a reference either but if you meant "undue stress", let me assure you that I sleep well at night because I do what I do! Thanks for caring.

...I don't have time to sit on the internet all day and go back in forth with some petty stuff on here...

Well its exactly what you are doing troll. Go back to your hole.

You know..for the time most of you spend on this forum complaining and griping and pointing fingers you could accomplish so much more by simply picking up the phone or taking a short ride in a vehicle. @Kaydence the reciept that you were so concerned about has now been provided to you courtesy of one simple phone call in which I asked for it in a very nice manner. There were so many options for you to aquire this for yourself like a) call mrs. Jones b) call her office c) call Dunlap and shipman or d) records request. But instead you would rather take to a forum, start a thread with a Bogus title that's as Bogus as the content you posted in it. If this receipt doesn't suffice please let me know how I can further assist in your quest to stir up more bulls**t.

You know..for the time most of you spend on this forum complaining and griping and pointing fingers you could accomplish so much more by simply picking up the phone or taking a short ride in a vehicle. @Kaydence the reciept that you were so concerned about has now been provided to you courtesy of one simple phone call in which I asked for it in a very nice manner. There were so many options for you to aquire this for yourself like a) call mrs. Jones b) call her office c) call Dunlap and shipman or d) records request. But instead you would rather take to a forum, start a thread with a Bogus title that's as Bogus as the content you posted in it. If this receipt doesn't suffice please let me know how I can further assist in your quest to stir up more bulls**t.

First of all, the was never ANY DOUBT there was in fact a bill from Attorney Shipman to Cecilia Jones. I honestly did not doubt the bill was paid although I did question why the bill was not submitted at the same time it was placed on the consent agenda for payment. That was not and never has been the issue.

The issue is submitting the bill to the County for payment. The deposition had NOTHING to do with County business. The County is NOT and NEVER has been involved with a lawsuit involving an EX City employee and anything Cecilia Jones provided via deposition had nothing to do with County business. NOTHING! It was just Cecilia Jones sticking her nose in business that had nothing to do with taxpayer money!

If in fact this had anything to do with County business (which it did not) Attorney Shipman would have billed the County directly! Ms. Jones received a private invoice for payment!

If the above comment is not in fact true and this is how the County is conducting the private affairs of a BCC member that's a problem!

If in fact the consent agenda item was pulled because Ms. Jones needed to review the deposition why didn't she review the documentation PRIOR to submitting the bill?

Bottom line is the taxpayers do not owe this bill for some shenanigans Cecilia Jones got herself into with a lawsuit that has little or nothing to do with the County.

Your 3 minutes of fame are up, please take a seat.

Honey if I was after 3 minutes of fame I surely wouldn't be wasting precious time on your shenanigans. If you will notice on the receipt it Cleary states krika vs WALTON COUNTY. The fact she was called in for a deposition should be clear enough that being she is a county employee it would be a county expense. But of course that clear logic doesn't support your theory so just like before when you went by misty talking to you is about like talking to a brick wall. Carry on with your witch hunt.

Honey if I was after 3 minutes of fame I surely wouldn't be wasting precious time on your shenanigans. If you will notice on the receipt it Cleary states krika vs WALTON COUNTY. The fact she was called in for a deposition should be clear enough that being she is a county employee it would be a county expense. But of course that clear logic doesn't support your theory so just like before when you went by misty talking to you is about like talking to a brick wall. Carry on with your witch hunt.

Krika is NOT involved in a lawsuit with the County. He is involved in a lawsuit with the City Defuniak Springs!

That invoice can say whatever the Attorney wanted it to say but if it had anything at all to do with County business everyone on the BCC at the time of the suit would have been called to give a deposition! It was exclusive to C. Jones personally, No one else in the County that I know of (yet) was asked to give a deposition.

Ask Ms. Jones to tell you how long ago she gave the deposition since you seem to have a such very comfortable relationship with her and can call her on a Sunday to provide you with information that she did not submit to the County at the time it appeared on the agenda.

Thanks in advance.

Well its exactly what you are doing troll. Go back to your hole.

Really where did you you come from? I have never seen your name on here nor have I ever posted toward you . Maybe you should look up what a troll really is before calling me one. Hypocrite.

@Seadune85 P.S. If as you allege this involved Walton County and was a lawsuit involving the County why was the County Attorney not present?

@earl

Thank you for clearing up any misconceptions I may have had about that as well. The fact that you continue to comment and quote me says otherwise.



Yet, after taking a 4 month hiatus you jumped back in with both feet to defend, criticize and marginalize others? I think I'm following the hypocrisy now and completely understand where you're coming from. Thanks for clearing up that misconception also.



I'm very sorry you find it funny that a County Commissioner tried to pull a fast one on the taxpayers to pay a $300.00 bill the taxpayers DO NOT OWE! Your comments suggest that, if she were as successful as you claim, it would never have been an issue to start with and she would not have submitted the bill under agenda items and we wouldn't be having this conversation and I assuredly would not have had anything to post about.

Ya think?

I am not sure what "ondue stress" is, I actually googled it and couldn't find a reference either but if you meant "undue stress", let me assure you that I sleep well at night because I do what I do! Thanks for caring.

You have some really good reading material here.. how does someone such as your self keep such tabs on me as to how long I have been gone and now why I'm back on. You know to keep everyone out in the sunshine the problem being if y'all walked out in the sun you would start to melt into the pavement and we don't want that. I would have nobody to talk too..

You have some really good reading material here.. how does someone such as your self keep such tabs on me as to how long I have been gone and now why I'm back on. You know to keep everyone out in the sunshine the problem being if y'all walked out in the sun you would start to melt into the pavement and we don't want that. I would have nobody to talk too..

Believe it or not Jerry, I can do simple math. You said yourself that you stopped posting at the end of last year (Nov. to be exact) according to your profile on SoWal. So from Dec. until you resurrected at the end of Feb would be 3 mths and we are headed into March....so roughly 4 mths ago.

Please don't think I have "mad computer skills" but I undoubtedly can perform simple tasks which by far surpass most others.

@Seadune85

In your haste to cover Ms. Jones, did it occur to you that you just gave Krika additional information which he can use in his Federal Lawsuit against the City of Defuniak Springs to prove that people have lied and told tall tales to prevent his lawsuit from being successful?

Be careful how you answer, this is a federal Lawsuit (NOT involving the County) and even the local State Attorney can't protect folks from their own stupidity where the FEDS are concerned.

If I were a smart cookie like you, I'd remove that invoice. Oh wait, the time to EDIT has expired and there is nothing you can do except ask the owner to remove it. Its public knowledge now. I'm sure others have made copies too. Thanks so much for your help!

Lady, you in fact are an absolute lunatic!! It's PUBLIC RECORD!! I don't have a "comfortable" relationship with Mrs. Jones, I'm just not a chicken that sits behind a computer screen and starts drama, I actually try to find the facts. If you think for one second you scare me with your last post you are highly mistaken. That reciept is the same one that anyone in walton county could have requested at anytime so if there was something to it that could cause repercussions then I doubt it would have taken this long. I don't know what the case is about and I frankly do not care. The facts are the RECEIPT READS krika vs WALTON COUNTY. She is a elected walton county official. I asked for the document (not on a Sunday I might add) and was provided said document. Let me remind you of your words in your very first post in this thread..

"Ms. Jones was asking to be reimbursed for money she alleges she paid out to said attorney even though she could NOT produce a receipt where she had paid for said services. Basically, the bill had NEVER been paid, was for services that allegedly occurred through Nov. 8, 2016 and submitted for payment in the hope thatpeople would not notice."

You didn't think the bill had been paid..well I gave you your proof. I don't care about any of your other nonsense involving other private citizens business, lawsuits or whatever. Earl is right this can't be good for your health..maybe we should start a sowal addiction support group and you could be the leader. Then maybe you would have something productive to do...aw hell you would turn that into a conspiracy too. Who am I kidding.

Lady, you in fact are an absolute lunatic!! It's PUBLIC RECORD!! I don't have a "comfortable" relationship with Mrs. Jones, I'm just not a chicken that sits behind a computer screen and starts drama, I actually try to find the facts. If you think for one second you scare me with your last post you are highly mistaken. That reciept is the same one that anyone in walton county could have requested at anytime so if there was something to it that could cause repercussions then I doubt it would have taken this long. I don't know what the case is about and I frankly do not care. The facts are the RECEIPT READS krika vs WALTON COUNTY. She is a elected walton county official. I asked for the document (not on a Sunday I might add) and was provided said document. Let me remind you of your words in your very first post in this thread..

"Ms. Jones was asking to be reimbursed for money she alleges she paid out to said attorney even though she could NOT produce a receipt where she had paid for said services. Basically, the bill had NEVER been paid, was for services that allegedly occurred through Nov. 8, 2016 and submitted for payment in the hope thatpeople would not notice."

You didn't think the bill had been paid..well I gave you your proof. I don't care about any of your other nonsense involving other private citizens business, lawsuits or whatever. Earl is right this can't be good for your health..maybe we should start a sowal addiction support group and you could be the leader. Then maybe you would have something productive to do...aw hell you would turn that into a conspiracy too. Who am I kidding.

I never doubted it had been paid. I suspected when she told the county attorney she had a small piece of paper she was looking for and couldn't find that she was referring to a receipt. I know there was an invoice for payment.

1.) When was it paid?

2.) Why was it paid with a personnel check from Ms. Jones private account if it had anything to do with County business?

3.) If the County is being sued where was COUNTY REPRESENTATION and not Ms. Jones personal attorney?

4.) Why was that invoice not submitted with payment at the time of the request to have it placed on the agenda.

5.) Why did MS. Jones ask that it be pulled from the consent agenda only after Mark Davis was told that if this went before the board it was a violation of Sunshine law?

You can make me out be a crazy lunatic (names I might add I have not called you or earl) all you want but the fact is, this isn't the first time Cecilia Jones submitted bills to the county for what she was NOT owed. Let's talk about those medical bills shall we?

Larry Jones was caught up in a similar debacle and he agreed to pay the County back for bills the county paid on his behalf. Ms. Jones however refused and to this day has not paid the money back.

Fact is, there is NO LAWSUIT between Krika v Walton County et all and that is ALSO PUBLIC RECORD. The County is NOT being sued and the taxpayers owe Cecilia Jones NOTHING!

The receipt in question that I asked for showing the invoice had been paid would be the check Ms. Jones claims she paid the debt with. If her concern is personal information on the check that can be blacked out, most everyone in this county knows where she claims she lives (that's PUBLIC RECORD) and where her other properties are located, if she had to be hunted down.

And just so you know, the receipt WAS requested and Mark Davis refused to hand over the personal check he says Ms. Jones paid with.

Also attached is the letter from Shipman himself who clearly states in his email to Mark Davis that the deposition was RE: Deposition of Cecilia Jones/Krika v CITY OF DEFUNIAK SPRINGS!! Yet when the County got the invoice it was Cecilia Jones/Krika v Walton County et all! Which is it? The City of DFS or Walton County et all?

Also Shipman admits in his email to Mark Davis the County attorney who should have been present (or an attorney on his behalf) that he felt this was a fishing expedition and the primary focus of the questions were comments Cecilia Jones made to Mark Weeks (City Marshall) and whether or not she engaged in any activity on behalf of the Walton County BCC that would influence Mark Weeks firing of Krika. The County has no business in the day to day operations of the City or who Mark Weeks hires or fires. That is absolutely not a county function! Nothing in Gary Shipman's letter implied she had paid so since it was on the agenda Mark Davis was asked for a copy of the check front and back as a public record request.

She did not do anything on behalf of the County because the County is not being sued. The attorney's for Krika wanted to know why she was running her mouth since the County was not involved in the lawsuit with the City of Defuniak Springs.

Also please read Mark Davis's own reponse to the public records request for receipt.

From: Mark Davis <mdd@co.walton.fl.us>
Date: February 13, 2017 at 5:11:26 PM CST
To: (REMOVED)
Cc: Cecilia Jones

Dear Reciepient:

I drafted the agenda item so to extent it was confusing, yes, that is my fault. I have no reason to notify the insurer. The County did not hire Mr. Shipman. He was hired by Commissioner Jones. She paid the fee. There was a reimbursement request. I believe, under Florida law, that she is entitled to reimbursement. I was going to ask the Commission for permission to have her reimbursed at the February 14, 2017 meeting. I was going to do that at a Public Commission Meeting. Thus, the requirements of the Sunshine law have been met. I do the county’s business in the public to avoid claims. A copy of the receipt from Mr. Shipman’s office is attached. The request for reimbursement has been removed from the Agenda. At this point, I do not believe her private check is public record, but, will look into that issue.


Mark.

Mark D. Davis

County Attorney

Office Of The County Attorney

161 East Sloss Avenue

DeFuniak Springs, FL 32433

Telephone (850) 892-8110

Facsimile (850) 892-8471

Honey if I was after 3 minutes of fame I surely wouldn't be wasting precious time on your shenanigans. If you will notice on the receipt it Cleary states krika vs WALTON COUNTY. The fact she was called in for a deposition should be clear enough that being she is a county employee it would be a county expense. But of course that clear logic doesn't support your theory so just like before when you went by misty talking to you is about like talking to a brick wall. Carry on with your witch hunt.

If you will, notice on the actual correspondence from Attorney Shipman to County Attorney Mark Davis it says Re: Deposition Cecilia Jones/Krika v CITY of DEFUNIAK SPRINGS.

Yet, when the County got the bill it said it was Re: Cecilia Jones/Krika v WALTON COUNTY et all! Which is it?

Either it was for Defuniak Springs or it was for Walton County. Since the lawsuit does not involve Walton County it can't be both!

You keep telling me you won't be wasting your time on my shenanigans but you continue to post BS I can absolutely positively refute.

Since Ms. Jones is a public figure I can safely say someone is lying and the documentation I have presented here proves that beyond a reasonable doubt...at least in sane minds anyway.

I also have an issue with an attorney sending correspondence to the County Attorney that explains very clearly this was a lawsuit Krika brought against the City and then turns around and submits a bill for payment that suggests its a lawsuit involving Walton County that we are absolutely positively not involved in! There is NO LAWSUIT involving Krika and Walton County! None!

And just for conversation sake...Mark Davis (as much as I have admired and respected him in the past) positively knew Krika is NOT suing Walton County! While he admits he is at fault because he drafted the agenda and he admits the confusion is his fault that set this snowball rolling downhill, he is also at fault for not admitting this is a lawsuit against the City not the County and reluctantly admits the County did not hire Shipman to represent Cecilia Jones, she hired him herself.

The bottom line here and I truly hope you can GRASP this concept is, if the county were in anyway involved Cecilia Jones would have had and Council would have been provided to her by the County!

Once again, she is not allowed to go run her mouth acting in her official capacity as a Walton County Board member (an elected official) and involve herself in the day to day operations of City government, or the day to day operations of the City of Defuniak Springs Police Department. Its NOT her job! In fact, its NOT any Commissioners job!

I will grant you that the County is pretty much helpless in preventing any Commissioner from acting a fool but when taxpayer money is involved then they really should get a handle on the fools who later try to bill the county for their own foolishness.

Operate in the Sunshine Ms. Jones and we won't continue to have these issues.

By the way, clear logic tells me that if her personal attorney says it was a lawsuit involving the City of Defuniak Springs the bill should have been paid by Cecilia Jones and NEVER billed to the County.

But you know the logic of us "lunatic chickens" better than I. So, if I'm wrong on this, I'm pretty sure the real lunatics running the asylum will figure out a way to bill the County again.
People are !!!

The receipt is worthless. Look at the day they said they received it (shipmans receipt with check #) and do a request for a copy of the day it cleared Cecilia's account. If it's not within a week or it cleared recently, that would be the evidence that really mattered here. If its a different check # or date. Since it was submitted as she had already paid it and she represented it that way, I would say her bank statement just became a public record or a piece of evidence. It's probably both.

PG...When you look at the invoice/receipt seadune85 presented Shipman claims (via his invoice) the bill was paid on 1-05-2017 with Check # 119.

The correspondence between Shipman and Mark Davis (that I uploaded) indicates that Mark Davis was well aware of this bill on Jan. 3 2017 and the lawsuit clearly involved Defuniak Springs NOT Walton County. The BCC meeting was Feb 14, 2017 and it was under the consent agenda as of Feb 13, 2017 and would have been paid had a smart, observant constituent not called Mark Davis out on this as a Sunshine violation. At that time M.D. suggested he would pull it from the consent agenda (as his own email affirms) put it under his time knowing the lawsuit clearly DID NOT involve Walton County and even under his time it would still be a violation of Sunshine law. It was pulled from the consent agenda completely on Feb 14, 2017, the day of the BCC meeting.

At this point, I don't even care whether the bill was paid by C. Jones or not. I do care about the County footing the bill for something that clearly had nothing to do with taxpayer money. I'm also annoyed that Shipman also knew that the County is/was not involved in a law suit with DFS and would literally change his invoice to reflect County involvement.

Something else I just thought about as well...the majority of the Attorneys the County has hired over the years have left the County and have a history of corruption attached to their names that followed them out the door when they left. I can't for the life of me imagine that Mark Davis would want to go out like his predecessors even though people have tried to tell me otherwise but by golly, I guess this was the wake up call I needed. Very disappointed that Mark would involve himself in this and try to pull this off over a lousy $300.00 bill. I never thought I'd see the day.

For a woman who claims her net worth was over (as of June 2016) $1,197,887 I sure hope it was worth it because when everything is said and done, folks who do the BCC's bidding will never see that kind of wealth, even in retirement. Still others have passed on practically penniless.

Is there a copy of the subpoena?

Is there a copy of the subpoena?

Its called HISTORY 101!

Its called HISTORY 101!

Is that a no?

Do it was questioned if I was defending evil. My purpose for asking if there was a subpoena was to determine hiw she was called. If she was called in her capacity as a commissioner or as a private citizen. Maybe Mr Krika could answer that. If she was called as a private citizen then in my veiw, she should be paying for it herself. As I do not know, i can't really speculate. Sorry for misspellings and errors, on the phone.

Do it was questioned if I was defending evil. My purpose for asking if there was a subpoena was to determine hiw she was called. If she was called in her capacity as a commissioner or as a private citizen. Maybe Mr Krika could answer that. If she was called as a private citizen then in my veiw, she should be paying for it herself. As I do not know, i can't really speculate. Sorry for misspellings and errors, on the phone.

I have answered that question more times than I can count!

If she was deposed in her capacity as a Commissioner she would have been represented by a County Attorney! The County DID NOT HIRE council for her by Mark Davis's own admission, she hired her own.

She was deposed which means she was asked to talk to an attorney(s) and answer question(s) about things she ran her mouth about to Mark Weeks the City Marshall. How many times can one say that the County is NOT involved in a lawsuit with the City of Defuniak Springs?? How many times can one say, you can't keep that woman from running her mouth to anyone she wants to but to have her private attorney bill the county because she did so, is NOT a county problem?? How many times can one say that because she ran her mouth about something the County is not involved is does not later make it a County problem when the bill comes around??

How many times can one say that if this had ANYTHING to do with County Government she would have been represented by a COUNTY ATTORNEY not her own private attorney?

How many times can one says its less than ethical for an attorney (regardless of who they are) to send written correspondence telling the County attorney this was a Krika v the CITY of Defuniak Springs deposition and then turn around and bill the County for a Krika v Walton County deposition?? Do you seriously not have a problem with that @Bob Wells?

I don't know that there was or wasn't subpoena BUT why on earth would they need to subpoena her when she willingly ran her mouth that got her deposed to start with??

P.S. @Bob Wells

If its so important to know whether or not she was issued a subpoena call Stephen Webster, the attorney for Krika in Tallahassee or call Mark Davis and ask him. If she was issued a subpoena in her capacity as a County Commissioners that would be public record since she billed the county and she would also have been represented by a County Attorney.

I cannot imagine someone submitting to be deposed without a subpoena. The question would be if she was subpoenaed in her official capacity or as a private citizen. If she were in her official capacity then the county attorney or an attorney provided by the county's insurance carrier would represent the commissioner. If she were subpoenaed as a private citizen then she would be responsible for retaining counsel if she needed it. Unless something has recently changed, this is the policy.