Canopy on the beach

I read every post in this thread and despite many distractions from the original issue- I *thought* I was following along until now...

Someone pls help me to understrand-

Wasn't the heart of the discussion (at least initially) about leaving all or part of tents/canopies on the beach overnight?

yes. I find hmmm's post offensive for a number of reasons. and especially this particular statement...

The save-the-turtle crowd needs to put its priorities straight and spend their precious time on a real issue such as the homeless, the hungry children of Africa, slave trade, drug abuse, wife abuse, child abuse or making sure that Obama does not get elected president….there are many to choose from that make saving the turtle seem as insignificant as it really is!

kind of says it all about this poster, imo. oh, dear lbj.

Time for my .02 cents. We do take canopies with us to the beach. We set them up very morning and take them down every night. We do not do this to get a "prime beach spot", we do it to have a place to get out of the sun when we want to. We like to spend all day on the beach since we are only there for a short time. A week to me is a short time. Usually, most if not all of us are under the tents at some time. See:















all of these pictures were taken at different times throughout our week. It is easier to socialize under the tents than having all of us bring umbrellas. We are there to be together and that is how we like to do it. We are responsible beachgoers though. Nothing is left behind at the end of the day. We also pick up garbage all around us everyday we are there. A little hint for those of you who do like to bring your tents. If you spray a little WD40 on the legs on the first day there, it makes it very easy to collapse them. I see all sides of this discussion, but really only comes down to one thing. Be responsible remove your tents/canopies at the end of the day. Some like the use of tents, other's don't. I get that. I don't feel guilty using ours because we do use them, and we take them down everyday.

Time for my .02 cents. We do take canopies with us to the beach. We set them up very morning and take them down every night. We do not do this to get a "prime beach spot", we do it to have a place to get out of the sun when we want to. We like to spend all day on the beach since we are only there for a short time. A week to me is a short time. Usually, most if not all of us are under the tents at some time. See:

Looks like a KDW good time

Maybe it's time to put a rule up that is similar to the food at the movies or at the MacDonald's Play area:

"Only food purchased here is allowed".

We could say: " only umbrella service purchased on the beach is allowed. "

Now, that could be a government rule--but, it would be private enterprise that would reap the benefit...and the government could ensure that the private beach service people removed everything, every night, or they would lose their license to operate on the beach.

Is this what it will take to keep our beach safe and free of clutter?

I would be strongly opposed to this policy.

I do not think it will come to that; awareness and enforcement can make the current policies work.

Time for my .02 cents. We do take canopies with us to the beach. We set them up very morning and take them down every night. We do not do this to get a "prime beach spot", we do it to have a place to get out of the sun when we want to. We like to spend all day on the beach since we are only there for a short time. A week to me is a short time.

Kathy:

Your post and your photos are proof that it is not unreasonable nor impossible to set up tents each day (it looks your group has 3 or more?), utilitize them, and take them down each day. It looks like everyone is able to enjoy the beach and each other, take shelter from the sun, and enjoy their vacation, yet still maintain the ability to take the tents down each day. THAT is an example that some of the other tent-users should follow (and one that many tent users already follow, fortunately).

Oh I just couldn't read anymore. If anyone is curious one of our old trolls is currently unemployed and bored in bama. I would bet dollars to doughnuts that if one of these trolls IP addresses were banned the rest would go with it.

Oh on another note, isn't it illegal to represent one's self as an attorney without the proper credentials?

Oh I just couldn't read anymore. If anyone is curious one of our old trolls is currently unemployed and bored in bama. I would bet dollars to doughnuts that if one of these trolls IP addresses were banned the rest would go with it.

Oh on another note, isn't it illegal to represent one's self as an attorney without the proper credentials?

...on a positive note, it's attorneys (?) like that poster that keep Mr. K up late doing the graphite octopus.

Just a note. This will be our families tenth summer trip to Sowal. This board has been the most helpful and informative tool on the area I have ever come across! We drive all the way from Austin, Texas. Since we have been coming to the beach for a while we have accumulated a lot of what I call "beach plastic junk". It used to be that my brother 'n' law and I would fight to see who would be the unlucky one to take the mess in their car. We finally pitched most of it and tell the kids if you bring it down to the beach you haul it back up at the end of the day. Now the stuff is limited to a football, frisbee and and maybe a pale and shovel for the little one's. We stay at Watersound and pay a little extra for the beach umbrella service. It's great. Thanks again for all the great info!!

Craig in Texas

Thank you! I hope ya'll have a wonderful stay at Watersound and I'm so glad ya'll get it!

Oh I just couldn't read anymore. If anyone is curious one of our old trolls is currently unemployed and bored in bama. I would bet dollars to doughnuts that if one of these trolls IP addresses were banned the rest would go with it.

Oh on another note, isn't it illegal to represent one's self as an attorney without the proper credentials?

As an engineer, my credentials allow me to formulate a new equation:

(gay)(boi) = (gay)(TROLL)

you can substitute boi for TROLL and still get the same person!

Savethebeach/dr. noisewater/fryday_1 etc.[/b];436384]As an engineer, my credentials allow me to formulate a new equation:

(gay)(boi) = (gay)(TROLL)

you can substitute boi for TROLL and still get the same person!

Someone protests a bit much. What troll behavior have I displayed?

Let's see here, we now have a lawyer, doctor, and an engineer. Are any of your degrees from an ACREDITED school? Please do tell what school you went to, what sort of engineer are you? If your based in Florida do you even know how many numbers are in a Florida liscense number?

Someone protests a bit much. What troll behavior have I displayed?

Let's see here, we now have a lawyer, doctor, and an engineer. Are any of your degrees from an ACREDITED school? Please do tell what school you went to, what sort of engineer are you? If your based in Florida do you even know how many numbers are in a Florida liscense number?

Yes, an ABET accredited school in the Boston area...(notice that accredited has more than one c in it)

To Friday_1
don't bother to come back, your attitude is not welcome. Read Kurt's message again and again.

Ok, just got the scoop from the county / code enforcement.

The tagging will begin this Saturday. This is what we were told. All items left on a public beach will be removed (including beach chair service). All items left on a private beach will be tagged and the owner will have a specified time to remove - if not removed, they will be taken too.

As a side note and something we were unaware of. Beach chair & umbrella service is not allowed / legal on public beaches. In order for a beach chair vendor to legally set up a chair and umbrella for a customer, they must have a contract with the private beach owner or homeowners association. The only way a beach service company can operate is either by way of a contract or they can deliver the chairs and umbrellas to a client that has ordered the service -- but the customer must take the equipment to the beach and remove it at the end of the day or the county will take this equipment too. No vending is allowed on public beaches.

I think I've read policy which allows for permitted vending on beaches. If I recall, it wasn't specific as to the type of ownership. Can you pull the particular ordinance which says otherwise?

I think I've read policy which allows for permitted vending on beaches. If I recall, it wasn't specific as to the type of ownership. Can you pull the particular ordinance which says otherwise?

We were told this info by Donna at Code Enforcement .... you can vend on a private beach with permission .... but not a public one .... she said that up until now it has been overlooked .... but that they just had a meeting ... lots of changes and that this will not be allowed anymore .... she said the only way you can operate as a beach service is that a customer can order the chairs and umbrellas but it is the customers responsibility to take the chair to the beach and remove it at the end of the day.

remember that red chicklets are available for giving to trolls.

how true it is. however, I believe total disregard, meaning absolutely no response to any troll, and moving on to view posts from real posters, is the best solution.

Yesterday, I searched a stretch of beach in Seagrove. Out of ten tents, one had people under it, two had not canvas tops, and the remainder were empty, except for crap stored under them. I know of at least three which were removed before dark.

why am I not surprised by your findings? its what I see every single time I'm at the beach. the canopy is "saving" someone's spot, at least it seems so.

OM-


With 20/20 hindsight, the next time I see trolling, I'll do what I should have done this time - ignore it altogether and hope that everyone else does the same.

this is a very hard thing to do, but with practice, we can learn to totally disregard troll posts. it is really the only effective way to deal with it (at least given my personal experience/observations). any other way is a waste of your time, and responses to trolls often result in name calling and the thread deteriorates. either use ignore button or just move on. the ignore button works great. unfortunately, our fearless and hard working admin/moderators do not have this option (ignore button) - but they can help us out if trolling gets out of hand. leave it to them.



Minnie - your apology was kind, but no need here among friends. I think we knew where you were coming from. no worries.

We were told this info by Donna at Code Enforcement .... you can vend on a private beach with permission .... but not a public one .... she said that up until now it has been overlooked .... but that they just had a meeting ... lots of changes and that this will not be allowed anymore .... she said the only way you can operate as a beach service is that a customer can order the chairs and umbrellas but it is the customers responsibility to take the chair to the beach and remove it at the end of the day.

I think that it would be helpful to allow beach chair companies to set up and remove chairs and umbrellas. This would reduce the amount of stuff that is left over night. Plus, the beach service does a better job installing the umbrellas which make them less likely to blow away. An added bonus is that the beach service can be required to remove all litter that is left during the day. What do you all think?

I think that it would be helpful to allow beach chair companies to set up and remove chairs and umbrellas. This would reduce the amount of stuff that is left over night. Plus, the beach service does a better job installing the umbrellas which make them less likely to blow away. An added bonus is that the beach service can be required to remove all litter that is left during the day. What do you all think?

Regarding trash, the beach ordinance reads:


Each vendor shall have a trash receptacle on the site, and shall, at the end of each business day, be required to ensure that all trash resulting from operations within a distance of 100 feet measured in any direction is removed from the beach.

You cannot just ignore trolls because other readers looking for info may believe what the trolls write if there is no one objecting to them.

You cannot just ignore trolls because other readers looking for info may believe what the trolls write if there is no one objecting to them.

Good point SJ

Crowding

And we thought the beaches were getting crowded in Sowal...

Kathydwells wanted me to let y'all know that Tent Boy (aka TripleB), sets his alarm on vacation every morning at 6 am. He does this because he cares deeply about the turtles. You heard it here first- Triple B the left wing environmentalist.

He's gonna kill me! Lucky he won't see this until he is back in Alabama!!!!


He and the assistant tent boys sent them up, place the chairs, and get it ready for the day for Kathy and the other wonderful gals in their group.

At the end of the day (after Cabana Boy has made about 20 trips up and down the steps with frozen drinks), the Tent Men (for they are nowmen at the end of the day), take down the tents, and haul them and the chairs and the coolers back to safe haven in the condos. Then Kathy dutifully sets Triple B's alarm clock so he's ready to go for the next day.

And this is how we protect our beaches. Thanks Darlene, TripleB, and the rest of your group! We you!

This is the first time I have ever been called an "left-wing enviromentalist". I guess it goes to show that I can adapt. There is nothing more annoying than sitting out at night, gazing at the emerald waters and hearing the load clanking noise of turtle heads hitting canopy post.

This is the first time I have ever been called an "left-wing enviromentalist". I guess it goes to show that I can adapt. There is nothing more annoying than sitting out at night, gazing at the emerald waters and hearing the load clanking noise of turtle heads hitting canopy post.

And let me just say my heart swelled with gratitude and joy when I watched you wrestle down those canopies....you turtle loving softie you!

I am looking for an extra special turtle t-shirt for your efforts, to go with your turtle book from the gals.

We were told this info by Donna at Code Enforcement .... you can vend on a private beach with permission .... but not a public one .... she said that up until now it has been overlooked .... but that they just had a meeting ... lots of changes and that this will not be allowed anymore .... she said the only way you can operate as a beach service is that a customer can order the chairs and umbrellas but it is the customers responsibility to take the chair to the beach and remove it at the end of the day.

I'm confused...why do we (meaning county, not specifically my office) sell beach vending permits?

You are better of reading the ordinance than relying on info from code enforcement....that is a FACT.