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Canopy on the beach

Beach Crab
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We're making our annual visit to Seagrove Beach in July. We usually put up our canopy on the first day and leave it up all week. Is that not allowed? I have read some threads about trucks picking up tents left on the beach overnight. Someone probably has seen our Canopy..it's a big Texas flag.

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Miss Kitty avatar
Meow
#302
This is the first time I have ever been called an "left-wing enviromentalist". I guess it goes to show that I can adapt. There is nothing more annoying than sitting out at night, gazing at the emerald waters and hearing the load clanking noise of turtle heads hitting canopy post.

:wave:...you have made my day! Thanks for coming back.
kathydwells avatar
Darlene is my middle name, not my nickname
#303
This is the first time I have ever been called an "left-wing enviromentalist". I guess it goes to show that I can adapt. There is nothing more annoying than sitting out at night, gazing at the emerald waters and hearing the load clanking noise of turtle heads hitting canopy post.

:wub: I am very proud of you my friend. You did a fine job last week. I thank you and all those sea turtles thank you. Have you found out "Where the Sea Turtles Go?" yet? ;-)
TripleB avatar
Beach Fanatic
#304
:wub: I am very proud of you my friend. You did a fine job last week. I thank you and all those sea turtles thank you. Have you found out "Where the Sea Turtles Go?" yet? ;-)
Yes. They have a canopy set up about 2 miles offshore.
Gypsea avatar
Beach Fanatic
#305
:lolabove::lolabove::lolabove:
Smiling JOe avatar
SoWal Expert
#306
Just wanted to share the actual County Code, as it applies to beach service vendors.

From Walton County Code of Ordinances:

ARTICLE III. BEACH AND WATER SAFETY VEHICLE AND VESSEL CONTROL

Vending- means offering for sale or rent or as part of a contractual agreement any services, goods or materials to be consumed or placed on the beach, in the bay or in the gulf.



Sec. 22-42. Regulation of vending operations, equipment rentals and vendors on the beach and adjoining waters.

The safety and welfare of the persons that reside nearby the county's beach areas and of the public that recreate on the beachand adjoining waters makes necessary and appropriate the following regulations:



A. Beach vendor permit requirement. Any person engaged in the rental, leasing, or as a part of any contractual agreement of motorized or wind-driven vessel(s) or any other vending operations as defined within this article, for use by the public on the beach or adjoining waters of Walton County,including jet skis, sail-craft, beach chairs and umbrellas orother permitted vending operations shall be required to obtain a"Beach vendor permit" from the county. A beach vendor permit shall be issued and be maintained upon the applicant paying such a fee of $500.00 for jet skis, $250.00 for beach chairs, beach umbrellas and other permitted vending operations as establishedby the county and meeting the following requirements:



General requirements for all beach vendors:


1. The applicant must have and maintain a telephone or marine radio at its land based operations center.



2. The applicant must maintain a reasonable set back of chairs and umbrellas from the water's edge. No more than four chairs can be placed abreast without an eight foot pedestrian walkway. Beach front resort and/or condos that control their own beach may establish their own rules regarding the distribution of beach chairs and umbrellas. There will be a 50-foot setback from the waters edge from Tops'l, east.



3. The applicant must have and maintain comprehensive general liability insurance and coverage not less than the amount of $500,000.00 combined single limits.



4. Temporary beach storage boxes shall be allowed on the beach, but must be placed as far landward as possible but seaward of the vegetation line.



5. All vending operations and permitted temporary beach storage boxes must be located on property owned or leased by the applicant. (maybe this is the part where the Code Enforcement is confused about vending not being allowed on public beach. It refers to only their storage boxes.)



6. Beach vendors shall be required to display the beach vendor permit number on each temporary storage box.



7. Beach vendors shall be required to clean the beach in their area of operation.



8. No vending on private property without written authorization from the property owner.


(Ord. No. 97-13, ? 7, 5-19-97; Ord. No. 98-6, 4-6-98)
Smiling JOe avatar
SoWal Expert
#307
I have just been informed that there may be additional wording added to the Code on the books, which reads:

(8) No vending on private property without written authorization from the
property owner. No vending on public beaches shall occur without written
authorization from the county and any private property owner whose southern
property line is contiguous to the proposed vending location.

I have not seen it in writing on any official County documents, but know that it may have been recently changed. I would think that obtaining a vending permit would be written authorization, so I'm not sure why Code Enforcement is drawing such a line in the sand.

I have searched the Walton County Ordinances via the Clerk of Courts site, and do not see this update. I have also searched the muni-code and do not see the additional language there.
kathydwells avatar
Darlene is my middle name, not my nickname
#308
Yes. They have a canopy set up about 2 miles offshore.

:funn:
Sheila avatar
SoWal Insider
#309
Yes. They have a canopy set up about 2 miles offshore.

Well, I hope they are taking it down every night? I'd hate for some drunken tourists that have fallen asleep and floated out too far, to bump their heads on it!
NotDeadYet avatar
Beach Fanatic
#310
I have just been informed that there may be additional wording added to the Code on the books, which reads:

You can just revise a code, just like that? Without a public hearing and a public process??
BeachSiO2 avatar
Beach Fanatic
#311
You can just revise a code, just like that? Without a public hearing and a public process??

It was done at the County Commission back in 2003, I think. The purpose was due to the Western Walton county beach restoration project. In short, the area of the beach that was constructed seaward of the Erosion Control Line was going to be public land and there were two concerns from upland property owners in regards to commercial vending.

One, there were property owners that had never allowed commercial vending on the beach behind there house and didn't want new companies to come in without their permission. Two, there were resorts that had typically had vending as part of their rental packages and they wanted to be able to provide that service like they had in the past, and also they didn't want some random person coming over and setting up a vending business on the area seaward of their upland area. Please note this was not a decision on customary use or publics right to use the new beach restoration project, it was limited to commercial vending.

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JustaLocal avatar
Beach Fanatic
#312
I have just been informed that there may be additional wording added to the Code on the books, which reads:

(8) No vending on private property without written authorization from the
property owner. No vending on public beaches shall occur without written
authorization from the county and any private property owner whose southern property line is contiguous to the proposed vending location.

I have not seen it in writing on any official County documents, but know that it may have been recently changed. I would think that obtaining a vending permit would be written authorization, so I'm not sure why Code Enforcement is drawing such a line in the sand.

I have searched the Walton County Ordinances via the Clerk of Courts site, and do not see this update. I have also searched the muni-code and do not see the additional language there.

I sure hope that is incorrect. $200 for a vending permit and then you have to ask permission from private property owners adjacent to the park your customers choose to use? I think that's unreasonable.
Savethebeach avatar
Beach Comber
#313
Can I get a permit to drive and park on the beach during the day? Are there boundaries as to where I can drive?
BeachSiO2 avatar
Beach Fanatic
#314
I sure hope that is incorrect. $200 for a vending permit and then you have to ask permission from private property owners adjacent to the park your customers choose to use? I think that's unreasonable.

It's not incorrect. The reason it was set-up that way is in a post I wrote a minute ago. Adjacent property owners do not give permission it is the upland property owner and the County. In other words, you can't run a private, for-profit business on an area of beach in front of someone who owns the upland area adjacent to said beach. For example, the Sandestin resort is not legally able to run a vending service in front of Tops'l resort.
JustaLocal avatar
Beach Fanatic
#315
It's not incorrect. The reason it was set-up that way is in a post I wrote a minute ago. Adjacent property owners do not give permission it is the upland property owner and the County. In other words, you can't run a private, for-profit business on an area of beach in front of someone who owns the upland area adjacent to said beach. For example, the Sandestin resort is not legally able to run a vending service in front of Tops'l resort.

So if we were talking about Ed Walline Park, the vender only needs County permission?
Smiling JOe avatar
SoWal Expert
#316
More info:

Regarding this almost-hidden link from the Walton County Planning Dept's Site (BTW, this is the only place I've seen it mentioned that vendors need additional permission (isn't that a form of the word, "permit?") to vend on public beach, and it makes no mention of having to drop off the chairs and umbrellas at a place other than the beach):


ARTICLE IV. REGULATION OF RECREATIONAL BEACH AND WATER ACTIVIT... Sec. 22-60. Beach vendors.
(a) Policy. The county finds that the use and enjoyment of the beach by the public is enhanced by the provision of certain goods and services so long as individual peace and quiet is not unreasonably disturbed; that a comprehensive and effective program of beach management for the enjoyment of the beach by the public requires flexibility in the number, location, and type of beach vendors; and that as the trustee of the public interest in the beach, the county has the power to regulate the provision of goods and
services by private vendors making use of the public interest on the beach.
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Note that this language doesn't make it illegal for vendors to operate on public beach. The County just wants to be able to regulate them.

Also note the header at the beginning:
"*Editor's note: Ord. No. 2003-07, ?? 1--14, adopted April 8, 2003, did not specifically amend the Code. Hence, inclusion herein as art. IV, ?? 22-51--22-64 was at the discretion of the editor."
*****************

That is likely why it doesn't show up in the actual Code.
BeachSiO2 avatar
Beach Fanatic
#317
So if we were talking about Ed Walline Park, the vender only needs County permission?

Before this past year, the answer to this would be yes. However, someone mentioned in an earlier post (or other thread) that there would be no vending at County accesses. I do not have any information on this recent change.
BeachSiO2 avatar
Beach Fanatic
#318
More info:

Regarding this almost-hidden link from the Walton County Planning Dept's Site (BTW, this is the only place I've seen it mentioned that vendors need additional permission (isn't that a form of the word, "permit?") to vend on public beach, and it makes no mention of having to drop off the chairs and umbrellas at a place other than the beach):


ARTICLE IV. REGULATION OF RECREATIONAL BEACH AND WATER ACTIVIT... Sec. 22-60. Beach vendors.
(a) Policy. The county finds that the use and enjoyment of the beach by the public is enhanced by the provision of certain goods and services so long as individual peace and quiet is not unreasonably disturbed; that a comprehensive and effective program of beach management for the enjoyment of the beach by the public requires flexibility in the number, location, and type of beach vendors; and that as the trustee of the public interest in the beach, the county has the power to regulate the provision of goods and
services by private vendors making use of the public interest on the beach.
****************

Note that this language doesn't make it illegal for vendors to operate on public beach. The County just wants to be able to regulate them.

Also note the header at the beginning:
"*Editor's note: Ord. No. 2003-07, ?? 1--14, adopted April 8, 2003, did not specifically amend the Code. Hence, inclusion herein as art. IV, ?? 22-51--22-64 was at the discretion of the editor."
*****************

That is likely why it doesn't show up in the actual Code.

I fixed my earlier post, I think it was changed in 2003-07. My how time flies...
Smiling JOe avatar
SoWal Expert
#319
I fixed my earlier post, I think it was changed in 2003-07. My how time flies...
2003-07 is the Ordinance number. It was adopted in April 2003, and I see no updates, amending the Ordinance.
2bohemians avatar
Beach Fanatic
#320
I sure hope that is incorrect. $200 for a vending permit and then you have to ask permission from private property owners adjacent to the park your customers choose to use? I think that's unreasonable.


(1) Beach chair and umbrella vendors up to 200 chairs and 100 umbrellas for
initial location--$500.00.
a. $50.00 for each additional 200 chairs and 100 umbrellas;
b. $50.00 for each additional location; and
c. A $250.00 credit for vendors with an employee on-site during the
season and during normal business hours who is lifeguard certified by a
recognized organization.
(2) Water based activities--$500.00.
(3) Personal watercraft operations--$500.00 for water based activities plus
$50.00 per vehicle.
(4) Parasail operations--$500.00 for water based activities plus an additional
$1,000.00 per location.
Miss Critter avatar
Beach Fanatic
#321
(1) Beach chair and umbrella vendors up to 200 chairs and 100 umbrellas for
initial location--$500.00.
a. $50.00 for each additional 200 chairs and 100 umbrellas;
b. $50.00 for each additional location; and
c. A $250.00 credit for vendors with an employee on-site during the
season and during normal business hours who is lifeguard certified by a
recognized organization.
(2) Water based activities--$500.00.
(3) Personal watercraft operations--$500.00 for water based activities plus
$50.00 per vehicle.
(4) Parasail operations--$500.00 for water based activities plus an additional
$1,000.00 per location.

I wonder what insurance runs for parasail and watercraft operators?
Matt J avatar
SWGB
#322
Can I get a permit to drive and park on the beach during the day? Are there boundaries as to where I can drive?

Only if you are a Walton County property owner. In addition the vehicle must have working 4 wheel drive. No Yugo's on the beach.

The only two permissable areas are Grayton Beach and Inlet Beach. There are also signs on the beach showing the boundaries.

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