What does this mean? Are there some evil Republicans out there? Or maybe it's OK to murder Grandma. What's the deal? Help me.;-)ISS - "Death panel" architect a pro-life Republican from Georgia?
Oh my! What does this mean? Are there some evil Republicans out there? Or maybe it's OK to murder Grandma. What's the deal? Help me.;-)
ISS - "Death panel" architect a pro-life Republican from Georgia?
What does this mean? Are there some evil Republicans out there? Or maybe it's OK to murder Grandma. What's the deal? Help me.;-)ISS - "Death panel" architect a pro-life Republican from Georgia?
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Beach Fanatic
rock the boat, don't rock the boat johnny.
Later, referring to Isakson's "rock the boat" commercial jingle, Day needled, "When you rock the boat to the left, rock the boat to the right and then rock the boat to the left, you don't get anywhere. . . I want to be the senator that turns this boat in the right direction."
Beach Fanatic
What is wrong with talking about and making end of life options with your family--or should everyone just end up like poor Terry Shiavo, on never ending life support, extending the grief of the family, and spending hundreds of thousands to keep someone totally brain dead alive!
Beach Fanatic
What is wrong with talking about and making end of life options with your family--or should everyone just end up like poor Terry Shiavo, on never ending life support, extending the grief of the family, and spending hundreds of thousands to keep someone totally brain dead alive!
What business is it of the governments?????
needs to get out more
She is an amazing woman.
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Beach Fanatic
What business is it of the governments?????
Well, in the Schiavo case, they made the decisions.
Beach Fanatic
Well, in the Schiavo case, they made the decisions.
A living will would have prevented all of that.....;-)
I dont have a problem in getting prepared, just being forced to do so is my issue
SoWal Insider
What is wrong with talking about and making end of life options with your family--or should everyone just end up like poor Terry Shiavo, on never ending life support, extending the grief of the family, and spending hundreds of thousands to keep someone totally brain dead alive!
Education of such things, not dictation by a Gov't Czar.
;-)
Beach Fanatic
A living will would have prevented all of that.....;-)
I dont have a problem in getting prepared, just being forced to do so is my issue
She was what, 30 when she went into the coma? How many 30-year olds have living wills?
And, yet, now people think a doctor talking to their mama about it is equivalent to measuring her for a casket.
Beach Fanatic
A living will would have prevented all of that.....;-)
I dont have a problem in getting prepared, just being forced to do so is my issue
And seriously, there is no mandate in the works for forcing you to have a living will. Seriously.
And, as I have said before, "Keep me alive at all costs and with all means necessary" is a legitimate advance directive.
SoWal Insider
What business is it of the governments?????
That's what many of us were thinking when all those government types (Frist, Jeb, Martinez, etc) tried to step in when they had absolutely no business doing so. And that was an actual attempt at government interference, not a predicted or hypothesized one.
So I do agree that we should be wary of government "interference."
Totally off-topic, Glenn Beck was just a Tampa-area radio host back then. I kind of liked listening to him in the early years, but during Schaivo's last months is when I noticed he was completely off the reservation. He is worse now.
Beach Fanatic
What business is it of the governments?????
In the Schiavo case the govt. was forced to make the decision, unfortunately.
I know you associate me with "government", but here I was talking about a family conversation regarding living wills....or, are you against families making private end of life decisions?
SoWal Insider
In the Schiavo case the govt. was forced to make the decision, unfortunately.
I know you associate me with "government", but here I was talking about a family conversation regarding living wills....or, are you against families making private end of life decisions?
The government didn't make the decision, the courts had to decide who had say in the matter. Government (wrongly) tried to have a say, but thankfully that was prevented.
SoWal Insider
Sometimes it a good thing to have oversight.
But as the Anchorage Daily News reported this last July, the situation in the state's Medicare- and Medicaid-funded in-home elder care program became so bad that the federal government had to step in and force Alaska to make necessary improvements.
In one 2 1/2 year stretch, 227 adults already getting services died while waiting for a nurse to reassess their needs. Another 27 died waiting for their initial assessment, to see if they qualified for help.
The feds had been tipped off to the systemic problems by doctors and other health care providers, who found the state unresponsive when confronted with their incompetence. No other state faced comparable problems.
UPDATE: Some have questioned whether the troubling two-and-a-half years during which the 254 neglected elderly people died coincided with Palin's tenure as governor. According to the actual federal report (also see the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) Focused Review of Senior and Disabilities Services Medicaid waiver and Personal Care Assistance programs webpage here), "The review covered the years 2006 through April of 2009." Since Palin was elected Governor of Alaska in November 2006 and resigned on July 26, 2009 - yes, she was in office.
http://www.hss.state.ak.us/dsds/cmsreview/AK_HCBS_Review_Preliminary_Letter_06-26-09.pdf
But as the Anchorage Daily News reported this last July, the situation in the state's Medicare- and Medicaid-funded in-home elder care program became so bad that the federal government had to step in and force Alaska to make necessary improvements.
In one 2 1/2 year stretch, 227 adults already getting services died while waiting for a nurse to reassess their needs. Another 27 died waiting for their initial assessment, to see if they qualified for help.
The feds had been tipped off to the systemic problems by doctors and other health care providers, who found the state unresponsive when confronted with their incompetence. No other state faced comparable problems.
UPDATE: Some have questioned whether the troubling two-and-a-half years during which the 254 neglected elderly people died coincided with Palin's tenure as governor. According to the actual federal report (also see the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) Focused Review of Senior and Disabilities Services Medicaid waiver and Personal Care Assistance programs webpage here), "The review covered the years 2006 through April of 2009." Since Palin was elected Governor of Alaska in November 2006 and resigned on July 26, 2009 - yes, she was in office.
http://www.hss.state.ak.us/dsds/cmsreview/AK_HCBS_Review_Preliminary_Letter_06-26-09.pdf
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Beach Fanatic
Do you have a linky to the Alaska story? I know some people who might be interested in it, but I won't pass it along without a citable source.
SoWal Insider
Do you have a linky to the Alaska story? I know some people who might be interested in it, but I won't pass it along without a citable source.
Sorry, They didn't show up in the first post.
Troubled Alaska health programs face federal restriction: Health | adn.com
Beach Fanatic
In the Schiavo case the govt. was forced to make the decision, unfortunately.
I know you associate me with "government", but here I was talking about a family conversation regarding living wills....or, are you against families making private end of life decisions?
No I'm not against it.....as long as I'm not doing it to meet some mandate by the government..
I thihk I mentioned somewhere up there I was for being prepared....
SoWal Insider
She was what, 30 when she went into the coma? How many 30-year olds have living wills?
And, yet, now people think a doctor talking to their mama about it is equivalent to measuring her for a casket.
That case should have been a wake up call for all Americans to plan for the unexpected. Everyone today should have a Will, POA, Durable POA, Living Will.....and, I think there is one more.....I'd have to go pull my file.....make them uncontestable, review them every so often to make certain your wishes remain constant as you age. I don't remember what all of these docs cost me, but it was less than $800, I think. And, some of these forms, you can get on line for much, much less! I think you just have to make certain they are witnessed properly, etc.
This keep the courts out of the hospital room. And, the only reason we need this is once you are on life support, it is considered murder if a physician removes the support, despite your wishes. To have your family and the State argue over your wishes is deemed selfish by some.
Unfortunately, The Schiavo case was probably quickly forgotten as people put their planning off or didn't want to pay an atty. to draw the docs, etc. Now, our gov't can attempt to force it in the guise of health care reform.
Beach Fanatic
That case should have been a wake up call for all Americans to plan for the unexpected. Everyone today should have a Will, POA, Durable POA, Living Will.....and, I think there is one more.....I'd have to go pull my file.....make them uncontestable, review them every so often to make certain your wishes remain constant as you age. I don't remember what all of these docs cost me, but it was less than $800, I think. And, some of these forms, you can get on line for much, much less! I think you just have to make certain they are witnessed properly, etc.
This keep the courts out of the hospital room. And, the only reason we need this is once you are on life support, it is considered murder if a physician removes the support, despite your wishes. To have your family and the State argue over your wishes is deemed selfish by some.
Unfortunately, The Schiavo case was probably quickly forgotten as people put their planning off or didn't want to pay an atty. to draw the docs, etc. Now, our gov't can attempt to force it in the guise of health care reform.[/quote]
Seems "Birthers" "Teabaggers", and (now) "Deathers" all play well together in the same sand box.
BannedAuthor
Seems "Birthers" "Teabaggers", and (now) "Deathers" all play well together in the same sand box.
There might be a single name for them that sums it up.
The Last Gasp of the Angry White Man | The Smirking Chimp
SoWal Insider
There might be a single name for them that sums it up.well written summary of the "fearlings".
The Last Gasp of the Angry White Man | The Smirking Chimp
Beach Fanatic
well written summary of the "fearlings".
YES! And they walk amongst us
here on sowal. Sure they are nameless, faceless, and profile-less like most Sowallers--BUT so very easy to figure out
Usually in the first sentence!Beach Fanatic
YES! And they walk amongst us
Sure they are nameless, faceless, and profile-less like most Sowallers--BUT so very easy to figure out
From a few posts in a political forum, you know everything about someone????
SoWal Insider
Miss Quitty has it all wrong. It's not a "Death Panel" it's a Death Squad and they only will come and confiscate purple pills.
Beach Lover
Apparently George W. Bush has no problems with 'death panels'.
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The provision in the health care reform bill HR 3200 simply gives people the option to speak with their doctor about end of life care, living wills, etc. They are not forced to do this and there is no government panel saying when they should be denied treatment.
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The provision in the health care reform bill HR 3200 simply gives people the option to speak with their doctor about end of life care, living wills, etc. They are not forced to do this and there is no government panel saying when they should be denied treatment.
Beach Fanatic
From a few posts in a political forum, you know everything about someone????
Yes I can name that tune in....2 notes!
But I can also tell your a good egg, Blair, I got good Republican family members in both Memph and Cookville! I'd have you over to the family BBQ next month!
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