Dog Fly Plane?

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  1. Evangeline

    Evangeline Beach Comber

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    Give me dog fly and mosquito bites over cancer any day! We already have plenty of chemicals assaulting our body without adding unnecessary ones.
     
  2. dogflyguy

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    How about west nile ,malaria ,Denge fever, Hey Ill show you what happens after hurricanes with the mosquitoe populations in just one week if i can find the dang picture where we trapped over ten thousand mosquitoes in one trap after the hurricanes hit south florida in 2004. The people that had a home left were begging to be sprayed. they probably would have bathed in chemical if you let them. Also chk out some of the mosquitoe and fly problems they had with Katrina. Fema even called in the airforce with their C-130 to spray it was so bad . hope your power never goes out for long peridsor you may be coming to the Dark side.
    Have agreat evening
     
  3. 30A Skunkape

    30A Skunkape Mr. Small Box

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    Seriously.:lol:
     
  4. jodiFL

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    Are we talking about dog flies or mosquitoes here? And could yall update me on what diseases are carried by dog flies?
     
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  5. Matt J

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    The helicopter at Pier Park is not a government helicopter it is privately owned and operated. It is spraying weed killer and fertilizer. Apparently operating a helicopter is cheaper than a couple of landscapers with pump sprayers. I'd love to get that kind of pay.

    As for the dog fly plane; it's a pretty safe bet that it could fall out of the sky considering it is circa mid 50's. As far as the chemicals it sprays they are relatively harmless in the dosage that is sprayed. A friend of mines father used to fly planes for the state. When loading the chemicals the techs who did it had to wear a gas mask and rubber gloves. They had to do this while handling what amounts to a 5 gallon drum of chemicals. That 5 gallons covers hundreds of acres at a time, and the safety gear is required by OSHA and recommended by the manufacturer.

    Quite frankly if you are that concerned about birth defects or other adverse affects why is a pregnant woman outside during the height of mosquito season? I would be much more worried about what mosquitos carry than the micrograms of a chemical that could possibly be ingested or absorbed thru the skin and then possibly cause adverse affects on a fetus. In addition I'm pretty sure that the over population of Earth as a whole is far worse than any amount of Dibrom Naled.
     
  6. dogflyguy

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    Actually The helicopter in the preceeding photo's is owned by the Beach mosquito control and was spraying pesticide at the time of the photo's. there may be an additional chopper doing the work as you described though.
    Like i said before the plane is a 1943 model at least the body,where as the engines are 2001 models with very few hr's on them and the plane is thourally inspected by approved FAA mechanics and inspecters every year. beleive me the state would not let it fly if it wasn't safe. It can fly perfectly good on just one engine if one were to fail. it has proven it's reliability over & over again that's why it's the only plane of it's era that still see's use all over the world as passenger or cargo plane. Yes i do wear safety gear when loading the plane but the chemical actually comes in thirty gallon drums.
     
  7. Smiling JOe

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    The big problem of flying at such low altitudes (150ft), is that if there is a pilot error, there is not much time for recovery.

    I don't recall Dog Flies carrying any diseases. They are simply pests. Mosquitos could become a problem due to the diseases they carry, and it while it may be necessary to control them via poisons after catastrophic events such as floods and hurricanes, I don't see the need to spray poisons on everything (including the foods which we eat), all insects the size of a mosquito or smaller.

    I just moved onto a property where I can hear the poison spray truck, but my house and yard are far enough away from the road, that obviously, the spray doesn't reach my yard, or the mosquitos in my yard. Sure, the mosquitos are a pests, and I bet ChrisV can watch me doing the mosquito dance from his back yard. However, I have observed something in my new yard. I have all kinds of wildlife in my new place, and for the first time since I've moved to SoWal, I have birds of many species, living in my yard. In my other homes in SoWal, I very rarely saw a bird. I have a nest of yellow jackets on the property, and I've seen many other "scary" animals (not so scary for me). I'm still waiting for the rattlesnakes to appear. My point is, the only obvious difference I see in my new place and my other homes, is that Mosquito Control cannot reach my new house, because it is so far off the road. The wildlife is thriving and happy. The Mosquito bites don't hurt so bad, though they do itch a little. I do have screens on the windows and porch. ;-) I am not eradicating the cacti or the yellow jacket nest. Instead, I will rope off the area, so that the dogs won't be as likely to get stuck or stung. I'm not dispersing moth balls to keep the snakes away, though I did cut some of the weeds with my slingblade. I enjoy living in harmony with nature. I am beginning to wonder if one of the reason our Bay is so depleted of wildlife is due to the the accumulated effect of poisons being sprayed in our area.
     
  8. NoHall

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    Careful with that slingblade...:cool:

    I thought you HATED yellow jackets!
     
  9. Smiling JOe

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    I do. That fear alone is enough to keep me away from them. I'm going to be roping off a large area, bigger than some people's lots in Seacrest. :funn:
     
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    NoHall hmmmm......can't remember

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    Did you buy a plantation or something?! (Sounds wonderful, by the way.)

    I know that there are chemical baits for yellow jackets, and I would be willing to bet that there are organic baits for them. Worth a :google:. You could draw them away from you and the dogs. I would look into it for you, but I have a piano lesson in a few minutes.

    Just be careful with any kind of small engines. (Weed eaters, lawnmowers, go-karts--:D) They hate the vibration and will come after you.
     
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  11. jodiFL

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    The best bait you can use (if you can find them anymore) are those little sugar-loaded fruit type drinks that came in little lemon shaped plastic bottles with the foil top on them. I used to catch them by the hundreds with those things. So many that I actually dont have a problem with yellow jackets anymore.
    But back on topic... did anyone know of any dog fly borne diseases?
     
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  12. NotDeadYet

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    There are no dog fly borne diseases, according to the Mosquito Control Districk and the state agriculture folks.
    There are plenty of mosquito borne diseases, but that's another topic.
     
  13. Smiling JOe

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    My fear of the yellow jackets is not the reason for letting them live. It has more to do with living in harmony with nature. There is ample room for the yellow jackets, and their nest is off to the side of the property. Plenty of room to avoid the nest, and my slingblade doesn't have a motor.
     
  14. NoHall

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    In a month or so, their idea of "living in harmony" is to sting every critter in a half-mile radius as many times as they can. It's their raison d'etre. The subsequent screaming and moaning is more like cacophony than harmony...
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  15. beachbob

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    I guess the other option is to stay inside while the poison is sprayed on the beach. However, by the time the spray supposedly dissipates, more Dog Flies will be present on the beaches. The solution of spraying poisons from a plane flying over the beach is not a real solution to the actual problem. I think that targeting the actual sources would be much more effective, and I also bet the real solution to controlling the Dog Flies is actually less expensive, when we target the actual sources of the Dog Flies which is far north of the beach.
     
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  16. beachbob

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    I'm sure the cattle business not thriving in this area has nothing to do with the sandy soil which isn't great for growing grass for the cows to eat. ;-)

    By the way, the tourist season is during the summer months and I don't think the Flies bother the people during that time, so your idea that having dog flies during the dreaded month of October drying up the real estate business is also flawed. The real estate business has been dry for two years now, and I wouldn't directly link it to the drought, nor the absence of Dog Flies in our area. ;-)
     
  17. fisher

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    SEE REPLIES ABOVE.
     
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  18. florida girl

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    There is a lot of wildlife in my yard, I don't know what happened to your previous home. Most critters won't bother you unless harassed, don't pick on the yellow jackets! They have a nasty bite! Better stock up on Benedryl and Tylenol. They do however tend to move where ever they want, so roping off part of your yard is useless. If they decide, they will come into your house. I wonder how well harmony will exist if that happens? Some creatures, like dog flies, mosquitoes, yellow flies, etc, are not happy with coexisting, they will come after you. We really don't see anywhere near the amount that we used to have, God forbid we ever get there again. I tend to feel that your opinion of those of us who lived at that time is that we are not worthy of your respect enough for you to actually believe that we are not lying to you! Part of our resistance is self preserving, why should we go through that again? The other part is genuine concern for our neighbors, and those of you who apparently don't have sense enough to come in out of the rain! We really do care, and we really are telling the truth! Hard to believe? Perhaps the problem lies with you, are you accustomed to people lying to you? Or do you practice lying yourself? So, you are the hierarchy of SoWal, and no one even matches your intelligence, to correct you? How ever you want to live is not my affair, however, when decisions are made that effect me, then I will protest, loudly!
     
  19. tuck

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    Please take some time to really read what you just wrote. Your last sentence here is what all these people opposed to the spray have been saying for over a year.

    The decision to spray something on all the people whether they want it or not to get rid of a pest that poses no health risk is absurd. You have a choice to put on a repellent if you choose to do so. If we choose not to put on a repellent and then get sprayed and then exposed to a potential health risk is a crime.

    So... when decisions are made that effect me, then I will protest, loudly and apparently so do a majority of the people that attended the BCC meetings.

    Put some bug repellent on and leave the rest of us alone already.
     
  20. florida girl

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    Perhaps you should read it again! You apparently don't believe us when we say not spraying is absurd! That the reason we have sprayed is what...? :bang: You know because...? It's not okay to spray, but it's okay to put on repellant? The decision to discontinue spraying affects me and I will protest! Leave us alone already! We have been spraying since 1964! So, when did you get here? You have recently become a resident, since when? and now you are the expert?
     

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