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Caroling

Beach Fanatic

I'm participating in the meeting remotely, as suggested. "Enforcement of Existing Regulations" and "Management of Outfall Issues" are top concerns.

About enforcement, I don't know the regulations or who is to enforce them. I think the regulations are in two plans that are being or were reconciled. Is there now one plan? As far as I know, the commissioners don't always follow the plans. Do they think it is important? Should they be held accountable? Come to think of it, I don't even know who is supposed to follow the regulations. That is how many county agencies, developers, residents, or visitors are involved? In the previous management plan meeting I attended, education was a big item, that applied to many topics. Perhaps "Information management" is a big key that precedes enforcing regulations. Could we have a big info map showing where the regulations reside, who they apply to, and who is to enforce them, all in block diagram?

At the moment, management of outfall issues seems an outgrowth of the previous. Unless we are talking about new regulations. Maybe all the old regulations need to be reconciled and updated in light of issues that have come up. How can you separate the outfall from the lake? It is like saying "neck issues" without mentioning the body and the head. But it is the crux. Can the science of lake monitoring help guide outfall issues? If so, will some people oppose it because it adds yet another bureaucratic burden to decisions made by the various agencies?

I&#039;m participating in the meeting remotely, as suggested. &quot;Enforcement of Existing Regulations&quot; and &quot;Management of Outfall Issues&quot; are top concerns. 
 
About enforcement, I don&#039;t know the regulations or who is to enforce them. I think the regulations are in two plans that are being or were reconciled. Is there now one plan? As far as I know, the commissioners don&#039;t always follow the plans. Do they think it is important? Should they be held accountable? Come to think of it, I don&#039;t even know who is supposed to follow the regulations. That is how many county agencies, developers, residents, or visitors are involved? In the previous management plan meeting I attended, education was a big item, that applied to many topics. Perhaps &quot;Information management&quot; is a big key that precedes enforcing regulations. Could we have a big info map showing where the regulations reside, who they apply to, and who is to enforce them, all in block diagram? 
 
At the moment, management of outfall issues seems an outgrowth of the previous. Unless we are talking about new regulations. Maybe all the old regulations need to be reconciled and updated in light of issues that have come up. How can you separate the outfall from the lake? It is like saying &quot;neck issues&quot; without mentioning the body and the head. But it is the crux. Can the science of lake monitoring help guide outfall issues? If so, will some people oppose it because it adds yet another bureaucratic burden to decisions made by the various agencies?

CBA Phillip

Beach Comber

Excellent points, Caroling....I will make sure to mention these at the meeting. We will post the meeting notes this afternoon, and I will provide you with the group's answer then.....Thanks for participating.

Excellent points, Caroling....I will make sure to mention these at the meeting. We will post the meeting notes this afternoon, and I will provide you with the group&#039;s answer then.....Thanks for participating.

[B]Eastern Lake Management Meeting
Tuesday, April 25, 2006
Meeting Synopsis[/B]



[B]I. Areas of Concern [/B] 


Management of Outlet *********

?	Outlet has been altered from recent hurricanes and man-made impacts
?	Sediment has been deposited to decrease the depth of the lake and impacts the outlet
?	The higher lake level has impacted the vegetation and potentially affects private property
?	County should use sand from outfall to replace dunes or put additional sand in the outfall area
?	Frustration with lengthy permitting process and inconsistency with DEP
?	The lake stays closed too long; this is impacting wildlife and water quality
?	County needs to assume a bigger responsibility in addressing to community concerns to the DEP
?	Closing of outlet decreases the salinity and oxygen levels of the lake, and may impact fisheries
?	Restore the outlet to its original condition to let it function naturally
?	Scrutinize old regulations in light of the new issues affecting the lake
?	Lack of scientific understanding of the function of the outlets
?	Worried the temperature of water maybe increasing
?	Concerned about private ownership of the outlet

Codes/Regulations

?	Enforcement of current codes/regulations
?	Creating an easily accessible resource tool that identifies current codes/regulations
?	County involvement at the initial planning phase of a development that potentially impacts the lake
?	County needs to increase its role/responsibility in protecting the dune lakes
?	County should create regulations that go above/beyond State rules because the state does not understand the importance of these ecosystems
?	Consistency in decision made affecting the lake
?	Proper management of development within the watershed
?	Improper development is impacting dunes and the lake


Protection of wetlands

?	Preserving the wetlands to improve water quality and potential flooding
?	Protecting the headwaters of the lakes

Education/Outreach

?	More education to homeowners, developers and decision makers regarding the importance of this ecosystem
?	Recognizing Eastern Lake as a special destination for tourists and a cherished commodity for homeowners


Storm-water Management

?	Impact of storm-water from new and existing developments
?	Impact of storm-water from 30-A and Lakeview Drive


[B]II. Potential Solutions[/B]

?	Acquiring ?Outlet management? permit currently submitted to the DEP

?	Ensure the current proposed project (Preble-Rish) to repair the outlet meets community concerns

?	Create and support a project to repair the outlet

?	Remove the sedimentation deposited near the outfall of the lake

?	Encourage County to make parcels affecting the outlet conservation easements; discuss with property owners other possible alternatives to owning the outlet

?	County should increase role/responsibility in management of development within Eastern Lake watershed

?	Coordinating with ELNA to disseminate homeowner?s education kit on the importance of the lakes

?	County Public Works/Preble-Rish Manager should meet with ELNA Lake Committee to discuss the Preble-Rish project before final comments are made for the Management Plan

?	Create a more open dialogue between the Public Works, Planning/Development and the community on issues concerning the lake

?	Repair the outlet to its original condition and leave it to function naturally

?	Request DEP to make a public presentation about Statute 161 (Coastal Construction) to educate the public and county staff 

?	Define and repair storm-water runoff from the unpaved portion of Lakeview Drive

?	Repair storm-water runoff from 30-A; especially near the recently repaired culvert

?	Treat invasive species (reeds) near roadside

Eastern Lake Management Meeting 
Tuesday, April 25, 2006 
Meeting Synopsis 
 
 
 
I. Areas of Concern 
 
 
Management of Outlet ********* 
 
?	Outlet has been altered from recent hurricanes and man-made impacts 
?	Sediment has been deposited to decrease the depth of the lake and impacts the outlet 
?	The higher lake level has impacted the vegetation and potentially affects private property 
?	County should use sand from outfall to replace dunes or put additional sand in the outfall area 
?	Frustration with lengthy permitting process and inconsistency with DEP 
?	The lake stays closed too long; this is impacting wildlife and water quality 
?	County needs to assume a bigger responsibility in addressing to community concerns to the DEP 
?	Closing of outlet decreases the salinity and oxygen levels of the lake, and may impact fisheries 
?	Restore the outlet to its original condition to let it function naturally 
?	Scrutinize old regulations in light of the new issues affecting the lake 
?	Lack of scientific understanding of the function of the outlets 
?	Worried the temperature of water maybe increasing 
?	Concerned about private ownership of the outlet 
 
Codes/Regulations 
 
?	Enforcement of current codes/regulations 
?	Creating an easily accessible resource tool that identifies current codes/regulations 
?	County involvement at the initial planning phase of a development that potentially impacts the lake 
?	County needs to increase its role/responsibility in protecting the dune lakes 
?	County should create regulations that go above/beyond State rules because the state does not understand the importance of these ecosystems 
?	Consistency in decision made affecting the lake 
?	Proper management of development within the watershed 
?	Improper development is impacting dunes and the lake 
 
 
Protection of wetlands 
 
?	Preserving the wetlands to improve water quality and potential flooding 
?	Protecting the headwaters of the lakes 
 
Education/Outreach 
 
?	More education to homeowners, developers and decision makers regarding the importance of this ecosystem 
?	Recognizing Eastern Lake as a special destination for tourists and a cherished commodity for homeowners 
 
 
Storm-water Management 
 
?	Impact of storm-water from new and existing developments 
?	Impact of storm-water from 30-A and Lakeview Drive 
 
 
II. Potential Solutions 
 
?	Acquiring ?Outlet management? permit currently submitted to the DEP 
 
?	Ensure the current proposed project (Preble-Rish) to repair the outlet meets community concerns 
 
?	Create and support a project to repair the outlet 
 
?	Remove the sedimentation deposited near the outfall of the lake 
 
?	Encourage County to make parcels affecting the outlet conservation easements; discuss with property owners other possible alternatives to owning the outlet 
 
?	County should increase role/responsibility in management of development within Eastern Lake watershed 
 
?	Coordinating with ELNA to disseminate homeowner?s education kit on the importance of the lakes 
 
?	County Public Works/Preble-Rish Manager should meet with ELNA Lake Committee to discuss the Preble-Rish project before final comments are made for the Management Plan 
 
?	Create a more open dialogue between the Public Works, Planning/Development and the community on issues concerning the lake 
 
?	Repair the outlet to its original condition and leave it to function naturally 
 
?	Request DEP to make a public presentation about Statute 161 (Coastal Construction) to educate the public and county staff 
 
?	Define and repair storm-water runoff from the unpaved portion of Lakeview Drive 
 
?	Repair storm-water runoff from 30-A; especially near the recently repaired culvert 
 
?	Treat invasive species (reeds) near roadside

I had a few messages that wanted me to express their concerns about the stormwater runoff from the replaced culvert near 30-A and the unpaved portion of LakeView Drive. These issues were discussed at the meeting, and should be included in the list of prioritized projects to enhance the lakes. However, most people at this meeting felt that restoring the outlet to a "more original" condition was the highest priority. Any thoughts?.

I had a few messages that wanted me to express their concerns about the stormwater runoff from the replaced culvert near 30-A and the unpaved portion of LakeView Drive. These issues were discussed at the meeting, and should be included in the list of prioritized projects to enhance the lakes. However, most people at this meeting felt that restoring the outlet to a &quot;more original&quot; condition was the highest priority. Any thoughts?.

[b]Eastern Lake Outlet Permit[/b]

Please see the attachment for the latest draft in Walton County's permitting request to streamline the outlet opening process.

Eastern Lake Outlet Permit 
 
Please see the attachment for the latest draft in Walton County&#039;s permitting request to streamline the outlet opening process.

[b]Re: Eastern Lake Outlet Permit[/b]

[QUOTE=CBA Phillip]Please see the attachment for the latest draft in Walton County's permitting request to streamline the outlet opening process.[/QUOTE]

I took notes on PDFs about Western, Alligator and Eastern Lake. So I'm lumping them all in here. They were quite similar.

"Boats don't impact Manatees." What does this have to do with dune lakes?  

The rules specify that the county has to fill the trench up when the lake has gone down two feet. However, they only require monitoring once a week, so how will they know? It goes down much more quickly than that. Seems like the permitting agency does not know the characteristics of a rare coastal dune lake.

I question their ability to properly manage one. Agreed, that is not a deeply informed opinion.

They aren't monitoring for salinity, or other things Lakewatch and CBA does. What does coliform etc. have to do with it? 

Why is Eastern limited to 3.5 feet where Western is 4 feet? And Alligator can be 7.5 feet high? 

Why does the permit for Eastern Lake say three designated Lakewatch locations, when there are 6? Is it only the south part of the lake?

Re: Eastern Lake Outlet Permit 
 
<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="CBA Phillip">Please see the attachment for the latest draft in Walton County&#039;s permitting request to streamline the outlet opening process.</blockquote> 
I took notes on PDFs about Western, Alligator and Eastern Lake. So I&#039;m lumping them all in here. They were quite similar. 
 
&quot;Boats don&#039;t impact Manatees.&quot; What does this have to do with dune lakes? 
 
The rules specify that the county has to fill the trench up when the lake has gone down two feet. However, they only require monitoring once a week, so how will they know? It goes down much more quickly than that. Seems like the permitting agency does not know the characteristics of a rare coastal dune lake. 
 
I question their ability to properly manage one. Agreed, that is not a deeply informed opinion. 
 
They aren&#039;t monitoring for salinity, or other things Lakewatch and CBA does. What does coliform etc. have to do with it? 
 
Why is Eastern limited to 3.5 feet where Western is 4 feet? And Alligator can be 7.5 feet high? 
 
Why does the permit for Eastern Lake say three designated Lakewatch locations, when there are 6? Is it only the south part of the lake?

Excellent points, Caroling....
 
These permit applications are a work in progress. I share your concerns, and will forward them to the appropriate DEP contact. Here are a couple of answers to your questions:
 
Manatees-The federal/state government have to ensure certain language protecting listed species be included in all of their legal documents.
 
The monitoring is an excellent point; I will make sure that is submitted to the DEP.
 
I think the community is split on the government's ability/need to manage these lakes.
 
Flooding of septic systems is one of the reasons cited in applying for this outlet management permit; therefore monitoring of the bacteria is a requirement.
 
I will make sure they know there are more than 3 stations in the lake. Obviously, opening the outlet will have an impact on the entire lake.
 
They based the "popoff" levels on the height (above sea level) of the first structure (road, house, etc) that would be impacted by high water levels. These structure heights changed for the various lakes, so they set different "popoff levels"
 
Excellent questions....Please let me know if you have any more feedback that I can submit to the governing agencies.

Excellent points, Caroling.... 
 
These permit applications are a work in progress. I share your concerns, and will forward them to the appropriate DEP contact. Here are a couple of answers to your questions: 
 
Manatees-The federal/state government have to ensure certain language protecting listed species be included in all of their legal documents. 
 
The monitoring is an excellent point; I will make sure that is submitted to the DEP. 
 
I think the community is split on the government&#039;s ability/need to manage these lakes. 
 
Flooding of septic systems is one of the reasons cited in applying for this outlet management permit; therefore monitoring of the bacteria is a requirement. 
 
I will make sure they know there are more than 3 stations in the lake. Obviously, opening the outlet will have an impact on the entire lake. 
 
They based the &quot;popoff&quot; levels on the height (above sea level) of the first structure (road, house, etc) that would be impacted by high water levels. These structure heights changed for the various lakes, so they set different &quot;popoff levels&quot; 
 
Excellent questions....Please let me know if you have any more feedback that I can submit to the governing agencies.

Stevester987

Beach Crab

My name is Stephen and my Grandparents live in one of the first houses built on Eastern Lake. It's a shame to see newcomers buy property and literaly start to take advantage of the surroundings. I'm talking about the person that had sand brought in and dumped on the beach next to his property.(white house, blue roof, end of the road closest to the inlet.) His attempt to rebuild the dunes was not only illegal but unsuccesful, as only nature can control this. I dubbed him worthless millions.
 
Ever since he has messed with this natural flow of sand and water, with the help of a few hurricanes, the lake has not opened naturally. Back in the day when the inlet was closed for a while we would dig it out manually and speed up the process. Letting nature take it's course the lake would open up and the cycle would start all over again. I'm sure nowadays you guys have established fines and laws against doing this. But I still think this would be the best solution for the lake. It would not only kill back the weeds growing on the bottom, but it would also help it maintain it's natural state. 
 
(New resident's keep coming down and changing the beach to suit their needs rather than just enjoying it. If any of you remember how Eastern Lake used to be in the 70's and 80's you would agree with me.)
 
-Stephen

My name is Stephen and my Grandparents live in one of the first houses built on Eastern Lake. It&#039;s a shame to see newcomers buy property and literaly start to take advantage of the surroundings. I&#039;m talking about the person that had sand brought in and dumped on the beach next to his property.(white house, blue roof, end of the road closest to the inlet.) His attempt to rebuild the dunes was not only illegal but unsuccesful, as only nature can control this. I dubbed him worthless millions. 
 
Ever since he has messed with this natural flow of sand and water, with the help of a few hurricanes, the lake has not opened naturally. Back in the day when the inlet was closed for a while we would dig it out manually and speed up the process. Letting nature take it&#039;s course the lake would open up and the cycle would start all over again. I&#039;m sure nowadays you guys have established fines and laws against doing this. But I still think this would be the best solution for the lake. It would not only kill back the weeds growing on the bottom, but it would also help it maintain it&#039;s natural state. 
 
(New resident&#039;s keep coming down and changing the beach to suit their needs rather than just enjoying it. If any of you remember how Eastern Lake used to be in the 70&#039;s and 80&#039;s you would agree with me.) 
 
-Stephen

Smiling JOe

SoWal Expert

[quote="Stevester987, post: 263708"]
 
Ever since he has messed with this natural flow of sand and water, with the help of a few hurricanes, the lake has not opened naturally. [B]Back in the day when the inlet was closed for a while we would dig it out manually and speed up the process. Letting nature take it's course the lake would open up and the cycle would start all over again. [/B][/quote]

Regardless of Worth's actions bringing in the sand, I encourage all you folks who are complaining about Eastern Lake not opening naturally, to go look at and study the other area Coastal Dune Lakes. I see the same thing happening on all but two of the Lakes, yet Worth has not dumped sand in front of them.  Why do you suppose that the other Lakes have had similar occurances of not opening, and ditch weed growing over the last two years?

As for you digging trenches in the past, what is natural about that process of exchange for the Lake. You are interferring, just as you accuse Worth of doing, only in the opposite way.

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="Stevester987">Ever since he has messed with this natural flow of sand and water, with the help of a few hurricanes, the lake has not opened naturally. Back in the day when the inlet was closed for a while we would dig it out manually and speed up the process. Letting nature take it&#039;s course the lake would open up and the cycle would start all over again. </blockquote> 
Regardless of Worth&#039;s actions bringing in the sand, I encourage all you folks who are complaining about Eastern Lake not opening naturally, to go look at and study the other area Coastal Dune Lakes. I see the same thing happening on all but two of the Lakes, yet Worth has not dumped sand in front of them. Why do you suppose that the other Lakes have had similar occurances of not opening, and ditch weed growing over the last two years? 
 
As for you digging trenches in the past, what is natural about that process of exchange for the Lake. You are interferring, just as you accuse Worth of doing, only in the opposite way.

I'm tending more and more to think that letting the lake be as natural as it can is best. Thanks for your insights, Smiling Joe.

I&#039;m tending more and more to think that letting the lake be as natural as it can is best. Thanks for your insights, Smiling Joe.

Caroling, were you of a different mindset in the past, regarding letting the Lake be as natural as it can be? I've read your earlier posts, but I would like to hear your  thoughts on this more recent Worth Williams incident of importing sand, and many of the homeowners in the Eastern Lake area wanting the Lake cut open. I know you monitor the Lake closely on a regular basis, and that you live in the beautiful area of Eastern Lake, so please share your thoughts with us. What do you see happening?

Most of the complaints I've been reading in the paper either address the lack of their ability to catch crabs and fish, or they say the water threatens their property. I never hear about what is good for the Lake. The chatter is always about that which is good for the people. These Coastal Dune Lakes are so very rare, and I dislike the thought of people spreading Nitrogen via lawn fertilizers, into the Lake, and all of the focus being on what is good for the yards of Eastern Lake home owners. 

One thing which I notice is so un-natural about the process the County uses when cutting open the Lakes is that they dig a straight line trench to the Gulf (the cheapest way and perhaps it has the least impact on the surrounding area). However, most of the Lakes which I've seen open to the Gulf naturally, rarely follow a straight line. They typically snake back and forth, with some parts building up sand and other parts being deeper, creating different habitats for wildlife living in the outflows. This snake like path might also help filter out more goodies from the Lakes, as well as lessen the erosion on the path to the Gulf. Google Earth has examples of this, and I have plenty of photos also showing the same thing.

Caroling, were you of a different mindset in the past, regarding letting the Lake be as natural as it can be? I&#039;ve read your earlier posts, but I would like to hear your thoughts on this more recent Worth Williams incident of importing sand, and many of the homeowners in the Eastern Lake area wanting the Lake cut open. I know you monitor the Lake closely on a regular basis, and that you live in the beautiful area of Eastern Lake, so please share your thoughts with us. What do you see happening? 
 
Most of the complaints I&#039;ve been reading in the paper either address the lack of their ability to catch crabs and fish, or they say the water threatens their property. I never hear about what is good for the Lake. The chatter is always about that which is good for the people. These Coastal Dune Lakes are so very rare, and I dislike the thought of people spreading Nitrogen via lawn fertilizers, into the Lake, and all of the focus being on what is good for the yards of Eastern Lake home owners. 
 
One thing which I notice is so un-natural about the process the County uses when cutting open the Lakes is that they dig a straight line trench to the Gulf (the cheapest way and perhaps it has the least impact on the surrounding area). However, most of the Lakes which I&#039;ve seen open to the Gulf naturally, rarely follow a straight line. They typically snake back and forth, with some parts building up sand and other parts being deeper, creating different habitats for wildlife living in the outflows. This snake like path might also help filter out more goodies from the Lakes, as well as lessen the erosion on the path to the Gulf. Google Earth has examples of this, and I have plenty of photos also showing the same thing.

I went to meetings sponsored by the Eastern Lake Neighborhood Association, the South Walton Community Council, the Coastal Dune Lakes Advisory Board, the Planning Commission and the Board of County Commissioners to educate myself. I didn't go to all of them and I'm not an expert. I'm a lake lover. I grew up with lakes in Minnesota and when I came here, that's how I viewed Eastern Lake. I quickly found out that I want to treat Eastern Lake like wilderness, not farmland. In Minnesota the lakes were tamed. Here I want them wild. My view of Worth Williams is "Huh?". How can someone who has destructively broken the law, still have legal rights? I believe he should lose his property. In kindergarden, when you mess up the sandbox, there are consequences. My view of his illegal sand is to let it go. Ester, the spirit of Eastern Lake can handle it if you give her respect. When the county plows a trench, the sand seems to fall back in. You see the outlet gradually snaking its way, meandering toward the Gulf now that it has been left to its natural ways for awhile. I agree that the edge, outlet and the whole lake should be protected and not manipulated for property owners. It is not a lake, it is a rare Coastal Dune Lake and should be honored, valued, studied, and promoted. It is precious and we are the stewards. If we don't care for Eastern Lake, who will? It is up to us.

I went to meetings sponsored by the Eastern Lake Neighborhood Association, the South Walton Community Council, the Coastal Dune Lakes Advisory Board, the Planning Commission and the Board of County Commissioners to educate myself. I didn&#039;t go to all of them and I&#039;m not an expert. I&#039;m a lake lover. I grew up with lakes in Minnesota and when I came here, that&#039;s how I viewed Eastern Lake. I quickly found out that I want to treat Eastern Lake like wilderness, not farmland. In Minnesota the lakes were tamed. Here I want them wild. My view of Worth Williams is &quot;Huh?&quot;. How can someone who has destructively broken the law, still have legal rights? I believe he should lose his property. In kindergarden, when you mess up the sandbox, there are consequences. My view of his illegal sand is to let it go. Ester, the spirit of Eastern Lake can handle it if you give her respect. When the county plows a trench, the sand seems to fall back in. You see the outlet gradually snaking its way, meandering toward the Gulf now that it has been left to its natural ways for awhile. I agree that the edge, outlet and the whole lake should be protected and not manipulated for property owners. It is not a lake, it is a rare Coastal Dune Lake and should be honored, valued, studied, and promoted. It is precious and we are the stewards. If we don&#039;t care for Eastern Lake, who will? It is up to us.

I  sense your passion for the Lakes in your post, Caroling. :wub:

Kurt

Admin

Seems like it's one lake where construction happened to close to the outflow for meandering to be free. When the beach was wider there it had more room to do its thing once it cleared the houses. Maybe adding sand to the beach will help in the long run.

Seems like it&#039;s one lake where construction happened to close to the outflow for meandering to be free. When the beach was wider there it had more room to do its thing once it cleared the houses. Maybe adding sand to the beach will help in the long run.

[quote="kurt, post: 264388"]Maybe adding sand to the beach will help in the long run.[/quote]
I'm not sure I understand your statement. How do you think that adding sand to the beach will help the outflow of Eastern Lake in the long run?

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="kurt">Maybe adding sand to the beach will help in the long run.</blockquote>I&#039;m not sure I understand your statement. How do you think that adding sand to the beach will help the outflow of Eastern Lake in the long run?

I had not heard the opinion that adding sand is a good thing. It highlights the fact that we don't know conclusively what we have done and whether it is good or bad, since it is possible to look at it from different points of view. 

By the way, is there a good word for the connection between lake and Gulf? Inlet works one way. Outflow, outlet, outfall etc. work the other way. But what if the connection is known to flow both ways from time to time? Is there a name for that?

I had not heard the opinion that adding sand is a good thing. It highlights the fact that we don&#039;t know conclusively what we have done and whether it is good or bad, since it is possible to look at it from different points of view. 
 
By the way, is there a good word for the connection between lake and Gulf? Inlet works one way. Outflow, outlet, outfall etc. work the other way. But what if the connection is known to flow both ways from time to time? Is there a name for that?

[quote="Caroling, post: 264395"]

By the way, is there a good word for the connection between lake and Gulf? Inlet works one way. Outflow, outlet, outfall etc. work the other way. But what if the connection is known to flow both ways from time to time? Is there a name for that?[/quote]

Good question. I usually refer to them in general terms as "outflow," only because that is the typically the case when the water is moving. In the recent past, the Coastal Lakes seem to be outflowing more than inflowing. Why don't you coin a good term for it, and we'll start using it? I guess that reminds us of how rare these lakes are, since there probably isn't a word which describes the inflow/outflow. If you cannot think of a good term, perhaps we could call it the "snake" of the Lake, since they are typically snake-like in shape.

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="Caroling">By the way, is there a good word for the connection between lake and Gulf? Inlet works one way. Outflow, outlet, outfall etc. work the other way. But what if the connection is known to flow both ways from time to time? Is there a name for that?</blockquote> 
Good question. I usually refer to them in general terms as &quot;outflow,&quot; only because that is the typically the case when the water is moving. In the recent past, the Coastal Lakes seem to be outflowing more than inflowing. Why don&#039;t you coin a good term for it, and we&#039;ll start using it? I guess that reminds us of how rare these lakes are, since there probably isn&#039;t a word which describes the inflow/outflow. If you cannot think of a good term, perhaps we could call it the &quot;snake&quot; of the Lake, since they are typically snake-like in shape.

BeachSiO2

[quote="Smiling JOe, post: 264406"]Good question. I usually refer to them in general terms as "outflow," only because that is the typically the case when the water is moving. In the recent past, the Coastal Lakes seem to be outflowing more than inflowing. Why don't you coin a good term for it, and we'll start using it? I guess that reminds us of how rare these lakes are, since there probably isn't a word which describes the inflow/outflow. If you cannot think of a good term, perhaps we could call it the "snake" of the Lake, since they are typically snake-like in shape.[/quote]
 
From a coastal engineering perspective, they are called outfall's.

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="Smiling JOe">Good question. I usually refer to them in general terms as &quot;outflow,&quot; only because that is the typically the case when the water is moving. In the recent past, the Coastal Lakes seem to be outflowing more than inflowing. Why don&#039;t you coin a good term for it, and we&#039;ll start using it? I guess that reminds us of how rare these lakes are, since there probably isn&#039;t a word which describes the inflow/outflow. If you cannot think of a good term, perhaps we could call it the &quot;snake&quot; of the Lake, since they are typically snake-like in shape.</blockquote> 
From a coastal engineering perspective, they are called outfall&#039;s.

[quote="BeachSiO2, post: 264415"]From a coastal engineering perspective, they are called outfall's.[/quote]which is similar to the term I use, "outflow," but Caroling is correct, that these rare Coastal Dune Lakes flow both ways, so "outflow" or "outfall," would technically not respect the rareness of the Lakes' ability to flow both ways.

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="BeachSiO2">From a coastal engineering perspective, they are called outfall&#039;s.</blockquote>which is similar to the term I use, &quot;outflow,&quot; but Caroling is correct, that these rare Coastal Dune Lakes flow both ways, so &quot;outflow&quot; or &quot;outfall,&quot; would technically not respect the rareness of the Lakes&#039; ability to flow both ways.

Management Plan Meeting is scheduled for Tuesday, April 25th at the Coastal Branch Library (1pm-4pm). Please visit [url]www.dunelakes.org[/url] for more information.

Management Plan Meeting is scheduled for Tuesday, April 25th at the Coastal Branch Library (1pm-4pm). Please visit <a href="http://www.dunelakes.org" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="nofollow ugc noopener">www.dunelakes.org</a> for more information.

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