Enforcement for remove it or lose it?

All these people we're talking about are three women and about 8 children. To think that the tent could be an entanglement issue, it's obvious that you don't know what kind of tent we're talking about. It's not going anywhere, he's had it for 10 years and it's never blown away once. It's not that he can't get it down there and back, it's getting it down there and back that many times in such a short period of time. If we're talking about going in at 7pm and going back out at 8am... what's the different between that and someone leaving their stuff out between 7am and 8pm? I've seen some people put it out in the morning and then go back inside and not come out until sunset. I don't see the difference there.

Maybe a tent like this would be more manageable. I saw this pic scolling at the top.;-) No one I know. Cute family.

I'm not saying that some type of "move it or lose it" ordinance is a bad thing. These things can obviously get out of hand. But perhaps the reason why CE isn't enforcing it is because they couldn't possibly have enough trucks to even do it with on a holiday weekend like this. I know about the ordinance, but I couldn't tell you from where... definitely not because I've seen a sign stating it. That being the case, I can bet everything I've got in my pocket that 99% of tourists aren't going to have a clue.

Could there not be some sort of middle ground? Perhaps weekends ok to leave well grounded canopies installed past the high tide? Everything tagged with owners name and address? If it's found floating, you get fined?

Pulling that thing up is no small feat for us, whether or not you think 3 women between 4'9" and 5'3" and all under 120 pounds can handle it. We go back and forth between the house and beach all day with the kids, eat lunch, nap, shower, come back to watch the sunset, etc... I really think it's unnecessary for us to have to pull it up constantly. We're responsible beachgoers, myself and my 70yr old grandfather are property owners, and we don't leave crap all over the place. We don't block people's views, destroy the dunes, leave giant 4ft deep manholes all over the place, or bury beer bottles in the sand, which I've seen countless tourists do. I do admit that my kids have accidentally thrown sand in the wind and pissed a few people off though...

With kids, it seems you need a lot of stuff to enjoy the beach and keep everyone happy. But with three of you, even short people can put up and take down a tent. Unless it is a big tent, I would suggest getting something easier to handle.

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Beach going habits have to be different now than they were 20 years ago- there are so many more people on the beach now! What used to work with only a handful of people does not work with a beach packed with tourists.

Do you mind if I borrow this quote every now and then?

I had never seen these beach canopies until coming to the area. In the Northeast, beach umbrellas and small portable tents are used, mostly in part because people HAVE to remove their belongings off the beach, or they are gone in the am by the municipalities. I never did understand the use of these, because the sun moves, and part of the canopy goes unshaded anyway. You can't turn it like an umbrella. So, the only rationale for the use of these was being able to put a bigger footprint down in the sand. I was shocked the first time I came down to Sowal in June, and the beaches were lined were these tentominiums. I couldn't even see the gulf from the beach walkovers during my morning walk. If they are such a hassle to put up and take down, why bother with them? It's much easier for family members to carry umbrellas vs. one person setting up and dismantling a tent every day. There's also the respect for one another of using the beach you need vs. using the beach you want to have.

Did you mention that it's a possibility that someone might come by and load up all their stuff and haul it away?

Like I said, it would have been an exercise in futility.

I don't understand the "tentominium" thing, either. Seems like way the heck too much trouble--too much to carry to the beach, too much to pack, too much sand in the car when I get home. A book and a chair...

The small umbrellas are the only way to go. They are compact and lightweight, and easy to take with you at the end of the day. I really don't know why people would drag those heavy metal-frame canopies through all of that loose sand, other than to mark their territory and leave their beach crap under it over night.

I haven't seen any signs of tagging this year. Can't report on the TDC removal as I am not at the beach when those guys make their early morning sweeps, but if it isn't being tagged, it isn't being hauled away.

That light-weight tent canopy pictured in post 27 looks like it might be a great alternative to the heavy things, and would be easy to set up and remove daily, but I guess WalMart doesn't sell them, so most people don't use them (sarcasm off).

Like I said, it would have been an exercise in futility.

I don't understand the "tentominium" thing, either. Seems like way the heck too much trouble--too much to carry to the beach, too much to pack, too much sand in the car when I get home. A book and a chair...

I am confused...are you saying your friends continued to leave stuff on the beach even after YOU explained the rules?

I am with y'all...the tent thing has me baffled. I think they should be banned.

I'm not saying that some type of "move it or lose it" ordinance is a bad thing. These things can obviously get out of hand. But perhaps the reason why CE isn't enforcing it is because they couldn't possibly have enough trucks to even do it with on a holiday weekend like this. I know about the ordinance, but I couldn't tell you from where... definitely not because I've seen a sign stating it. That being the case, I can bet everything I've got in my pocket that 99% of tourists aren't going to have a clue.

Could there not be some sort of middle ground? Perhaps weekends ok to leave well grounded canopies installed past the high tide? Everything tagged with owners name and address? If it's found floating, you get fined?

Pulling that thing up is no small feat for us, whether or not you think 3 women between 4'9" and 5'3" and all under 120 pounds can handle it. We go back and forth between the house and beach all day with the kids, eat lunch, nap, shower, come back to watch the sunset, etc... I really think it's unnecessary for us to have to pull it up constantly. We're responsible beachgoers, myself and my 70yr old grandfather are property owners, and we don't leave crap all over the place. We don't block people's views, destroy the dunes, leave giant 4ft deep manholes all over the place, or bury beer bottles in the sand, which I've seen countless tourists do. I do admit that my kids have accidentally thrown sand in the wind and pissed a few people off though...

The only "middle ground" I think possible, is to relax the rules outside of turtle nesting season - the main reason for the "no items left overnight" part. Unfortunately for tourists, turtle nesting season is May 1 until October 31.

You have a tent on the beach at night that is camping. Camping on the beach is against the law. I you pass out on the beach they can arrest you. No more argument. Take your crap of the beach!!! The Grayton Beach Militia are watching!

You have a tent on the beach at night that is camping. Camping on the beach is against the law.

I really don't care how big you or the tent are or how many kids you have underfoot. All I hear are excuses and whining because you don't want to follow the rules.

As far as gender and size preventing you from doing something, my 5'-3" AARP card carrying mother would uproot your tent and bop you upside the head with it!

My Momma uses a cast iron skillet.

beach crap

Walked the beach at Ed Walline at 6 this morn...probly 20 "campsites" set up..and I'm thinkin' some o' these folks are gone!!!!

I have just replaced my "canopy" that I have used for the last 2 years with 2 beach umbrella's (The one's that Mango suggested). I am looking forward to being able to carry them down to the beach, and then shutting them up and bringing them back up to the condo each day. They will be much easier to handle than the canopy anyway. It won't be long now until I get to use them.

I'm not saying that some type of "move it or lose it" ordinance is a bad thing. These things can obviously get out of hand. But perhaps the reason why CE isn't enforcing it is because they couldn't possibly have enough trucks to even do it with on a holiday weekend like this. I know about the ordinance, but I couldn't tell you from where... definitely not because I've seen a sign stating it. That being the case, I can bet everything I've got in my pocket that 99% of tourists aren't going to have a clue.

Could there not be some sort of middle ground? Perhaps weekends ok to leave well grounded canopies installed past the high tide? Everything tagged with owners name and address? If it's found floating, you get fined?

Pulling that thing up is no small feat for us, whether or not you think 3 women between 4'9" and 5'3" and all under 120 pounds can handle it. We go back and forth between the house and beach all day with the kids, eat lunch, nap, shower, come back to watch the sunset, etc... I really think it's unnecessary for us to have to pull it up constantly. We're responsible beachgoers, myself and my 70yr old grandfather are property owners, and we don't leave crap all over the place. We don't block people's views, destroy the dunes, leave giant 4ft deep manholes all over the place, or bury beer bottles in the sand, which I've seen countless tourists do. I do admit that my kids have accidentally thrown sand in the wind and pissed a few people off though...

I'm going to go with my mother's logic on this one.

If you can put it up you can take it down. Quite frankly I'm surprised that someone hasn't lost it over the poor little defenseless lady routine your using to justify what seems to be plain laziness.

No time is a good time to leave your stuff on the beach. A storm could whip up with little notice. And treefrog. You are so right about Eastern Lake. A call needs to be made. Include the tents, chairs and boat left for several days now on the corner of the county lot that is part of the access on the west side. The number to call is 622-0000. Pick up the phone now and call in these violations.

For a period last summer, I was happy to see that "remove it or lose it" was being enforced. The beaches were cleaner and looked more inviting.

It's been months since I've seen an item either tagged or removed. Down here by Eastern Lake, we have a lot of folks staking their claim and leaving their stuff set up overnight. This appears to include the beach chair rentals, although to tell the truth, I don't know how early they arrive to set up.

So is "remove it or lose it" reduced to a few signs, or have I just missed the enforcement?

I just called code enforcement.

I'm sorry to report that there is "a legal issue" with the ordinance right now. They are not currently enforcing remove it or lose it. No estimate on when the courts will resolve this issue.

Here you go, an email repsonse from the TDC to an inquiry about the policy du jour:

"The TDC is removing items left on public beaches over night. The SO is not tagging items on private beaches as they do not feel the current ordiance allows for that. It is my understanding the BCC is currently working on updateing the exsisting beach ordiance but untill that process is done the TDC will only remove items on public beach.
Thank you,
Dave Sell"

Seems like this raises a question or two. Like, how is the TDC making a determination as to whether it is a public or private beach?
And a few more. I'm sure y'all can think of some, have at it.

I love that we can't even make people pick up after themselves without the pucking lawyers getting involved.

Go ahead, leave your crap all over the beach - gonna be hard to prove it was a Scooterbug stealth mission instead of the wind or waves.

Here you go, an email repsonse from the TDC to an inquiry about the policy du jour:

"The TDC is removing items left on public beaches over night. The SO is not tagging items on private beaches as they do not feel the current ordiance allows for that. It is my understanding the BCC is currently working on updateing the exsisting beach ordiance but untill that process is done the TDC will only remove items on public beach.
Thank you,
Dave Sell"

Seems like this raises a question or two. Like, how is the TDC making a determination as to whether it is a public or private beach?
And a few more. I'm sure y'all can think of some, have at it.

I hope they copy this response to code enforcement.

My guess is they will tag and remove only at the public access points. Better than nothing. How can get word to the turtles about where they will be unimpeded?

My guess is they will tag and remove only at the public access points. Better than nothing. How can get word to the turtles about where they will be unimpeded?

I would say you are 100% correct, especially after the signage they installed at all of the accesses. However, I doubt anything will be tagged, only removed.

Any people crap left on the beach is in direct violation of The Endangered Species Act. Private beaches I think not. The State of Oregon had this problem and the judge determined that the Indians (Native Americans for you obtuse politically correct people) said that they had been using these beaches to transit from river mouth to river mouth to hunt for thousands of years and made the decision to make all Oregon beaches public because of the customary use. Just remember you don't own anything your just renting it while your alive.

I love that we can't even make people pick up after themselves without the pucking lawyers getting involved.

Go ahead, leave your crap all over the beach - gonna be hard to prove it was a Scooterbug stealth mission instead of the wind or waves.

I hear that!

I am confused...are you saying your friends continued to leave stuff on the beach even after YOU explained the rules?

I am with y'all...the tent thing has me baffled. I think they should be banned.

Darling, I'm confused by how I'm always confusing you.

Some people have to have the car towed before they see the "No Parking" sign. You can't tell them not to park there. You can't show them the sign. They see a space and think that it was created for their convenience.

Now that I think about it, I'm not sure if there is a sign at our access about leaving stuff overnight. But as long as one person can leave one chair and find it in the same place the next morning, they will think it's okay to leave everything plus the kitchen sink on the beach until it's time to pack 'er up in the gas guzzler to go home.

People bring what they think they can conveniently bring. If they can't drive their cars on the beach to haul their cooler, boxes of sand toys, surfboards, chairs, umbrellas, tents (which make up for the inability to sit in the shade of a large vehicle,) etc., then they'll leave it there overnight. Careful before you criticize how much crap people bring if you're hauling equal amounts onto the beach in a permit-ted vehicle. Would you still bring all that stuff if you couldn't drive on the beach? :scratch:



I ask this with total beach self-righteousness. The last time I went down to the beach I didn't have a chair, book, towel, or a bottle of water--I didn't even wear shoes.

Darling, I'm confused by how I'm always confusing you.

Some people have to have the car towed before they see the "No Parking" sign. You can't tell them not to park there. You can't show them the sign. They see a space and think that it was created for their convenience.

Now that I think about it, I'm not sure if there is a sign at our access about leaving stuff overnight. But as long as one person can leave one chair and find it in the same place the next morning, they will think it's okay to leave everything plus the kitchen sink on the beach until it's time to pack 'er up in the gas guzzler to go home.

People bring what they think they can conveniently bring. If they can't drive their cars on the beach to haul their cooler, boxes of sand toys, surfboards, chairs, umbrellas, tents (which make up for the inability to sit in the shade of a large vehicle,) etc., then they'll leave it there overnight. Careful before you criticize how much crap people bring if you're hauling equal amounts onto the beach in a permit-ted vehicle. Would you still bring all that stuff if you couldn't drive on the beach? :scratch:



I ask this with total beach self-righteousness. The last time I went down to the beach I didn't have a chair, book, towel, or a bottle of water--I didn't even wear shoes.

Whole different issue, especially since a) cars are off the beach at night, and b) it is legal with a permit.