Enforcement for remove it or lose it?

...me thinks it is your friends that have me confused this time! I can't even imagine that if I explained the rules of the beach to someone I knew and was vacationing with that they would completely dismiss me! Were these "grownups" or teenage types?

BTW...I sure would have listened to you.

Whole different issue, especially since a) cars are off the beach at night, and b) it is legal with a permit.

Hee, hee...I just couldn't believe how much stuff the gang had down there Saturday! (I'm just messing with you and the Grayton Gang...)

It is a completely different issue, but the two are getting tangled up on this thread (which is my point.) Even so, I think that everyone agrees that the less crap you bring to the beach, the less likely it is that you're going to leave something there.

...me thinks it is your friends that have me confused this time! I can't even imagine that if I explained the rules of the beach to someone I knew and was vacationing with that they would completely dismiss me! Were these "grownups" or teenage types?

BTW...I sure would have listened to you.

The teenagers would have listened. It's the grownups who tend to break the rules. And y'all haven't figured out that I get no respect...

Hee, hee...I just couldn't believe how much stuff the gang had down there Saturday! (I'm just messing with you and the Grayton Gang...)

It is a completely different issue, but the two are getting tangled up on this thread (which is my point.) Even so, I think that everyone agrees that the less crap you bring to the beach, the less likely it is that you're going to leave something there.

I'm not seeing any tangling- you brought in the car issue. They are completely separate issues. We don't leave anything behind, and like most permitted vehicles, probably leave less on the beach than before we arrived, since we are picking up everybody else's trash and abandoned crap, and taking it home to OUR garbage. So no, I don't think many of us would agree with your logic. We have our chairs, toys, umbrella, and are able to pack a big cooler and stay for the day. Would we take all this stuff without a beach vehicle? Why not? I can carry stuff and so can my family.

We pack extra flashlights to clean our entire area (and then some) after dark.

I'm not seeing any tangling- you brought in the car issue. They are completely separate issues. We don't leave anything behind, and like most permitted vehicles, probably leave less on the beach than before we arrived, since we are picking up everybody else's trash and abandoned crap, and taking it home to OUR garbage. So no, I don't think many of us would agree with your logic. We have our chairs, toys, umbrella, and are able to pack a big cooler and stay for the day. Would we take all this stuff without a beach vehicle? Why not? I can carry stuff and so can my family.

We pack extra flashlights to clean our entire area (and then some) after dark.

I know firsthand that this is the truth, but you know that you're not the norm.

Don't accuse me of being logical, JDarg--you know that half the time I operate on a stream of consciousness! I was just thinking that the tourist mentality is so irresponsible that it's a good thing that they don't have the convenience of bringing a vehicle to the beach...I can't imagine all the crap they would schlep down there and leave all weekend/week.

I know firsthand that this is the truth, but you know that you're not the norm.

Don't accuse me of being logical, JDarg--you know that half the time I operate on a stream of consciousness! I was just thinking that the tourist mentality is so irresponsible that it's a good thing that they don't have the convenience of bringing a vehicle to the beach...I can't imagine all the crap they would schlep down there and leave all weekend/week.

If you go back and read post #2, I think you will see that it is not just "tourist mentality". I think it boils down to an utter lack of common sense and an absence of plain old doing the right thing. Subtracting out the law and the turtle ordinances in place, I wouldn't leave stuff out overnight for fear it would be taken.

I really don't care how big you or the tent are or how many kids you have underfoot. All I hear are excuses and whining because you don't want to follow the rules.

As far as gender and size preventing you from doing something, my 5'-3" AARP card carrying mother would uproot your tent and bop you upside the head with it!

I'm going to go with my mother's logic on this one.

If you can put it up you can take it down. Quite frankly I'm surprised that someone hasn't lost it over the poor little defenseless lady routine your using to justify what seems to be plain laziness.

I'm going to go with the fact that this is the internet and sometimes people forget that they're talking about real human beings who have feelings. I'm not lazy. Ask anyone here who KNOWS me.

If you go back and read post #2, I think you will see that it is not just "tourist mentality". I think it boils down to an utter lack of common sense and an absence of plain old doing the right thing. Subtracting out the law and the turtle ordinances in place, I wouldn't leave stuff out overnight for fear it would be taken.

I love being the whipping boy...you know I would play devil's advocate all night if it weren't for the fact that my bath water is getting cold as we speak.

You're right--it's not the tourist mentality then. (Although the "local" in post #2 isn't the one who actually has the babies who must have a tent.)

We have a mentality of "What can I get away with?" Rules that are not enforced cease to be rules, don't you think? I'm having one of my rare cynical moments, but it seems to me that very few people concern themselves with "doing the right thing." They do what's right for them at the moment. Isn't that what all this boils down to?

It is turtle season so get the fu____ stuff off the beach at night! Sorry, got a bit carried away but the beach has been looking terrible and our season has barely started. Those turtles don't stand a chance to lay their eggs with all the crap left behind at night but I did happen to see two nests near Deer Lake today. Yea!!!!!
Also, rental chairs MUST be picked up every night at the end of the day and stored off the beach. Vendors are subject to losing their license if they don't comply with the current beach ordinance. However, "Beach Chairs For U" never, never picks up and had a few unpleasant encounters with them when we lived on the beach which I would rather not get into. The County even knows they don't remove chairs at the end of the day because I have reported them several times. However, it is the same old problem. The County does not enforce anything around here and has not enforced the Beach Ordinance since it was written a few years ago. Shame but those signs make us all look like fools. You know, those signs that say items will be picked up if not removed, no exceptions!!!!! No wonder people ignor our signs because the County doesn't do anything to follow up anyway. Oops, think I said that all before too.
The person to contact is the Beach Activities Coordinater and the # is posted in the Walton Sun. I have not gotten as involved lately since it was like "beating a dead horse" so to speak. Oops, just got my hands on a Walton Sun and there is no longer a Beach Activities Coordinater so maybe that is the problem.

I'm going to go with the fact that this is the internet and sometimes people forget that they're talking about real human beings who have feelings. I'm not lazy. Ask anyone here who KNOWS me.

I am sorry that your feelings have been hurt, truly. Forums are rather cold in many ways. I hope you can trust that most posters are well-meaning. I believe you when you state that you are not lazy - I don't think very many people who vacation with children could be!

In my case it's more of a concern for turtle nesting than a disregard for your comfort. Aesthetically, some people don't like beach paraphernalia but during the daytime there is no rule against having as much stuff as you care to bring to the beach. Leaving it overnight really is a hazard to nesting turtles.

doesn't do anything to follow up anyway. Oops, think I said that all before too.
The person to contact is the Beach Activities Coordinater and the # is posted in the Walton Sun. I have not gotten as involved lately since it was like "beating a dead horse" so to speak. Oops, just got my hands on a Walton Sun and there is no longer a Beach Activities Coordinater so maybe that is the problem.

I think that job has been rolled into a code enforcement position. 622-0000.

My chair company picks up EVERYTHING everyday and as far as I've seen so have all other chair companies this year so that complaint should be nonexistent.

It's a pain, but it's also a good workout. Why don't more people see it that way?

However, the best option is just to pay me for two chairs and an umbrella and I'll do it. Keeping the peace between turtles and people who just want to relax. That's what we're here for!!!!

As for the catamaran and all the tents between Eastern Lake and Summer's Edge this week. GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!

Was that too strong a growl? Not if you saw me after ~7:30am.


BTW, I asked a TDC trash collector just today what the deal was with all the crap on the beach and he said he didn't think they were going to do anything about it.

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRR continued....

As for the catamaran and all the tents between Eastern Lake and Summer's Edge this week. GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!

Was that too strong a growl? Not if you saw me after ~7:30am.


BTW, I asked a TDC trash collector just today what the deal was with all the crap on the beach and he said he didn't think they were going to do anything about it.

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRR continued....

go get 'em tiger.

you would think it would be that simple, bring your crap, take it with you when you leave, even my mom taught me that.
i even take my own empty trash bags, and bring them back with trash.

I'm going to go with the fact that this is the internet and sometimes people forget that they're talking about real human beings who have feelings. I'm not lazy. Ask anyone here who KNOWS me.

You're lazy if you endanger other people and wildlife because it is inconvenient to take your tent down!

I apologize if I may have misinterpreted your posts asking if the ordinance was being enforced because you didn't want to comply and then claiming hardship because of your gender, size, and kid count.

Make me eat my words/get bad karma by always cleaning up after yourself and teaching your kids the rules of the beach. ;-)

I'm going to go with the fact that this is the internet and sometimes people forget that they're talking about real human beings who have feelings. I'm not lazy. Ask anyone here who KNOWS me.

Oh, gosh, this is a difficult thread for me because I do know you and know that you are not lazy at all. And I know that normally, this is not something that would ever be an issue with you. And that you are far more environmentally conscious than most people.

BUT.... I have to agree on the tent issue with everyone else.

It's why I pack everything in that basket that I haul everything around in. I can carry a child and the basket, plus another bag. That's what I take to the beach so that I can also haul it off in one trip. Anything else, doesn't go because it's just me and the kids. One day, when little guy is older, I'll probably use a lightweight umbrella, but right now that'd be too much to handle. So, we just don't go during the hottest times of the day, either.

My brother is coming down in two weeks. Months ago, he asked about being able to leave things on the beach like they did over near Port St. Joe. He was so stoked to be able to leave his tent and zillions of crap on the beach. Of course, it was also my other brother AND my mom and dad, so it was probably a sh__load of stuff with kids and all. I've seen pics and it was a lot of stuff. The conversation was difficult because I had to tell him that he couldn't leave his stuff on the beach due to sea turtles nesting.... It totally went over his head. I think it's why his family, my younger brother's family & my parents rented again for next year down that way instead of here.

And, if they leave their crap on the beach (behind Goatfeathers), I will alert Scooterbug or Greenroomsurfer to come and swipe it! He's been told and I don't feel like fighting with him (kind of like NoHall and her friends). But I know that if he sees other people's stuff on the beach, he's gonna leave it whether I say so or not. I'm the PITA little sister, so he takes my thoughts/ideas/statements with less than a grain of salt.

CKHagen, I tried so hard to figure out how to diplomatically say this. It is a forum and so it's personal and not personal at the same time in the way that others handle each other. It doesn't make it any easier when difficult subjects arise because we all live or visit in the same geographical area. I don't agree with people jumping down one another's throats about things and feel that there are ways to handle disagreements that do not put down another person's feelings or value. Getting snappy with her when she was really trying to understand something is not needed and totally out of line.

If I had realized it was already nesting season (I SWEAR I didn't see any signs this time!) I would have been a PITA and harassed them about bringing stuff in.

Sorry, little turtle dudes...

If I had realized it was already nesting season (I SWEAR I didn't see any signs this time!) I would have been a PITA and harassed them about bringing stuff in.

Sorry, little turtle dudes...

Can you be a PITA to my bro up in Dallas, GA before he gets down here with all his crap?????

I just called code enforcement.

I'm sorry to report that there is "a legal issue" with the ordinance right now. They are not currently enforcing remove it or lose it. No estimate on when the courts will resolve this issue.

That 'splains it. If we've got to wait on resolution of the private beach issue, there's gonna be a lotta stuff on the beach for a long time.

As for the catamaran and all the tents between Eastern Lake and Summer's Edge this week.

THE catamaran? Singular?

This morning at 6:45 you could see 4 from the Ramsgate walkover, three big ones and a little 6 or 8 footer. Two on each side of the lake outlet.

Don't give up. the turtles are our friends

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It is about the turtles. I learned so much about them here when this issue came up before. I did alot of research on the subject myself. I think if people would do some research about the nesting practices of the turtles they might have a little more compassion about this issue. I know that is wishful thinking though. When I see all the crap left on the beach at I night, I just picture this beautiful creature coming up to the beach that once was "her" beach, to lay her eggs, and she is running into all that stuff. It breaks my heart. Yes, we carry alot of stuff to the beach during the day, but it comes back with us at night. The Turtle Watch group does an amazing job (I really want to live there just so I can be a part of this group) and I am sure when they make their morning walks they are all so upset about everything that is left on the beach. It must be heartbreaking for them as well. Please let us all just try the best way we can to educate the masses. Thanks to all of you locals, part-time locals, and visitors that do the job of keeping the beaches clean the best way you can.

It is about the turtles. I learned so much about them here when this issue came up before. I did alot of research on the subject myself. I think if people would do some research about the nesting practices of the turtles they might have a little more compassion about this issue. I know that is wishful thinking though. When I see all the crap left on the beach at I night, I just picture this beautiful creature coming up to the beach that once was "her" beach, to lay her eggs, and she is running into all that stuff. It breaks my heart. Yes, we carry alot of stuff to the beach during the day, but it comes back with us at night. The Turtle Watch group does an amazing job (I really want to live there just so I can be a part of this group) and I am sure when they make their morning walks they are all so upset about everything that is left on the beach. It must be heartbreaking for them as well. Please let us all just try the best way we can to educate the masses. Thanks to all of you locals, part-time locals, and visitors that do the job of keeping the beaches clean the best way you can.

Thanks for saying it so well & kindheartedly. That is, in essence, everything that should have been said in this whole thread instead of being derrogatory towards one another.

I just called code enforcement.

I'm sorry to report that there is "a legal issue" with the ordinance right now. They are not currently enforcing remove it or lose it. No estimate on when the courts will resolve this issue.

I hope I don't trip over the guidewires as I am walking down the beach after sunset, and bust my head open one of their beach chairs, Tonka dumptrucks, or impale myself on one of their collapsed beach umbrellas. I cannot imagine the amount of money that one could win in a courtroom.

I'm going to go with the fact that this is the internet and sometimes people forget that they're talking about real human beings who have feelings. I'm not lazy. Ask anyone here who KNOWS me.

I am sorry if I have personally offended you. It was the original post in which you basically asked (IMO) if you could get some sort of waiver for having kids and because it was only one weekend and because your father has owned property for 20+ years.

The fact remains that despite the inconveinence of removing everything everyday and taking it back. I can guarantee that removing a dead sea turtle or tens of babies from your area would be a much bigger headache. A lot costlier too.

I guess the reason that I am still harping on this is the fact that you still have yet to acknowledge that there is a good reason (other than asthetics) to removing everything at the end of the day.