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There are plans to 4-lane it and also a connector east from 331 through Point Washington as well.

Smiling JOe

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The County Commissioners voted to do nothing with the study results. There was too much opposition to extending the roads, with estimated costs of more than $30 million. Comm. Meadows suggested that there were much better ways to spend taxpayer's money than on such a project at this time. That meeting was probably back around Aug '05. Just last week, I threw away the over-sized map marking the 4 potential routes.

The County Commissioners voted to do nothing with the study results. There was too much opposition to extending the roads, with estimated costs of more than $30 million. Comm. Meadows suggested that there were much better ways to spend taxpayer&#039;s money than on such a project at this time. That meeting was probably back around Aug &#039;05. Just last week, I threw away the over-sized map marking the 4 potential routes.

swantree

Beach Fanatic

i was just reviving this thread....i Know SJ has said it was canned but i've been hearing rumors again...I know of one land owner that is looking to make North Eden a cut through to 98 ....I guess my logic is will it be safe for bikes and pedestrians and how could north 98ers get to the beach safely and not drive?

i was just reviving this thread....i Know SJ has said it was canned but i&#039;ve been hearing rumors again...I know of one land owner that is looking to make North Eden a cut through to 98 ....I guess my logic is will it be safe for bikes and pedestrians and how could north 98ers get to the beach safely and not drive?

I know what you intend by your word choice, but I want to clarify. The expansions weren't  "canned." The decision by the BCC was to take no action at that time with the expensive study, due to many commissioners and the majority of the public thinking that there were better ways to spend the massive amounts of money it would cost. One thing in particular which was mentioned is the fact that having relief from hwy 98 in hurricane evacuation does nothing if the traffic turns into one northbound lane at the Clyde Wells Bridge, crossing the Choctawhatchee Bay. So, after the Bridge is expanded, they might pull this study back off the shelf, but for now, they are supposedly doing nothing with the studies for additional roads. As I recall, in that study, there was no suggestions for more cut throughs from 98 to Chat Holly. There was however, talk of a cut through from East Mack Bayou to Hwy 98, but I think that was not included in this particular study.

I know what you intend by your word choice, but I want to clarify. The expansions weren&#039;t  &quot;canned.&quot; The decision by the BCC was to take no action at that time with the expensive study, due to many commissioners and the majority of the public thinking that there were better ways to spend the massive amounts of money it would cost. One thing in particular which was mentioned is the fact that having relief from hwy 98 in hurricane evacuation does nothing if the traffic turns into one northbound lane at the Clyde Wells Bridge, crossing the Choctawhatchee Bay. So, after the Bridge is expanded, they might pull this study back off the shelf, but for now, they are supposedly doing nothing with the studies for additional roads. As I recall, in that study, there was no suggestions for more cut throughs from 98 to Chat Holly. There was however, talk of a cut through from East Mack Bayou to Hwy 98, but I think that was not included in this particular study.

ShallowsNole

The thought of putting a four-lane road, combined with the large number of children living directly on and in close proximity to Chat Holley (and for that matter, West and East Point Washington Rd), scares the bejezzus out of me.  If 98 hadn't been four-laned, then yeah.  But except for when there is an accident or construction, we don't experience congestion on 98 now, until you get to around Grand Boulevard.

The thought of putting a four-lane road, combined with the large number of children living directly on and in close proximity to Chat Holley (and for that matter, West and East Point Washington Rd), scares the bejezzus out of me.  If 98 hadn&#039;t been four-laned, then yeah.  But except for when there is an accident or construction, we don&#039;t experience congestion on 98 now, until you get to around Grand Boulevard.

JustaLocal

[quote="swantree, post: 371593"]i was just reviving this thread....i Know SJ has said it was canned but i've been hearing rumors again...I know of one land owner that is looking to make North Eden a cut through to 98 ....I guess my logic is will it be safe for bikes and pedestrians and [B]how could north 98ers get to the beach safely and not drive?[/B][/quote]
 
It depends on where you are and how brave. I bicycle to the beach. I have to ride on Hwy 98 to get to either the west end of 30A or Thompson Road. I've used 393 a few times, but it is pretty scary going south - a good deal of traffic and uphill. Once you get to the top of the ridge, there is a bike path. Coming back north, at least it is mostly downhill once the path ends. 
 
Last week I rode down to 83 because I remembered seeing a bike path on it from the 30A end. Unfortunately, it only goes for a couple of blocks. Most of 83 doesn't have one. There isn't too much traffic on it, but someone passed me while cars were coming from the other direction - coincidentally, right beside a "Share the Road" sign. Also, it does involve riding on Hwy 98 in the 65 mph zone a short way. 
 
East of Hwy 331, I've only ridden on bikepaths and through developments.

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="swantree">i was just reviving this thread....i Know SJ has said it was canned but i&#039;ve been hearing rumors again...I know of one land owner that is looking to make North Eden a cut through to 98 ....I guess my logic is will it be safe for bikes and pedestrians and how could north 98ers get to the beach safely and not drive?</blockquote> 
It depends on where you are and how brave. I bicycle to the beach. I have to ride on Hwy 98 to get to either the west end of 30A or Thompson Road. I&#039;ve used 393 a few times, but it is pretty scary going south - a good deal of traffic and uphill. Once you get to the top of the ridge, there is a bike path. Coming back north, at least it is mostly downhill once the path ends. 
 
Last week I rode down to 83 because I remembered seeing a bike path on it from the 30A end. Unfortunately, it only goes for a couple of blocks. Most of 83 doesn&#039;t have one. There isn&#039;t too much traffic on it, but someone passed me while cars were coming from the other direction - coincidentally, right beside a &quot;Share the Road&quot; sign. Also, it does involve riding on Hwy 98 in the 65 mph zone a short way. 
 
East of Hwy 331, I&#039;ve only ridden on bikepaths and through developments.

scooterbug44

It's been a couple years since I lived on Chat Holley, but I never saw enough traffic to justify four lanes. Repaving is overdue, four lanes seems excessive unless it's part of a long term plan for expansion and evacuation. Pretty silly IMO to four lane a road when it's connectors aren't even paved!

It&#039;s been a couple years since I lived on Chat Holley, but I never saw enough traffic to justify four lanes. Repaving is overdue, four lanes seems excessive unless it&#039;s part of a long term plan for expansion and evacuation. Pretty silly IMO to four lane a road when it&#039;s connectors aren&#039;t even paved!

Sea Sothebys

Beach Lover

I would love to see 393N get a sidewalk-- does anyone know if that is a possibility?

393, all the way from 30A to the Bay, including the dirt road part, is on the books to be approved as Scenic Corridor. Getting the designation means getting funds and grants to build sidewalks and multi-use paths.

i guess my intent here is that someday this will be a hot topic and all of us on the north side of 98 will be effected.  I would hate for a 4 lane to go in because  of some study to deflect the amount of traffic off 98 to a LOCAL access makes me shudder. I've seen the road by Home depot get so clogged in the summer.......  even if it's 5 years down the line, IMO would like to see a very pedestrian friendly road that would help me not worry about seeing a kid trying to get to school on a bike (mine included) and the ability to access the beach safely.  When 283 was being re-done and a bike path put in..i became very excited to think persons could get on  30A with a little effort. then nothing came of it.  I'm glad it's there!  i'm not complaining....but in light of things hitting SoWallers smack in the face before it's to late.....ie...blue monsters!  We should be putting some thought to this for a later date!  We see the power of the people here and now...N. 98ers ....need not be left out to pasture because 30A and the tourists become so important we can't push for safe travels for locals.

i guess my intent here is that someday this will be a hot topic and all of us on the north side of 98 will be effected.  I would hate for a 4 lane to go in because  of some study to deflect the amount of traffic off 98 to a LOCAL access makes me shudder. I&#039;ve seen the road by Home depot get so clogged in the summer.......  even if it&#039;s 5 years down the line, IMO would like to see a very pedestrian friendly road that would help me not worry about seeing a kid trying to get to school on a bike (mine included) and the ability to access the beach safely.  When 283 was being re-done and a bike path put in..i became very excited to think persons could get on  30A with a little effort. then nothing came of it.  I&#039;m glad it&#039;s there!  i&#039;m not complaining....but in light of things hitting SoWallers smack in the face before it&#039;s to late.....ie...blue monsters!  We should be putting some thought to this for a later date!  We see the power of the people here and now...N. 98ers ....need not be left out to pasture because 30A and the tourists become so important we can&#039;t push for safe travels for locals.

If you want safer roads, start with the four-laning of 331. Since Friday, I have encountered four drivers passing multiple vehicles as they approach me at lightning speed in my lane. It is getting maddening, and makes me want to throw up a little in my mouth.

Furthur

Before we 4 lane Chat Holly we should insist that all new development on 98 have their own slow down turn lanes. Cars slowing in the right lane to make turns really bogs traffic down.

No more curb cuts without turn lanes! 

I still don't understand why they didn't put a right turn lane on the corner of 393 when it was redone.

Before we 4 lane Chat Holly we should insist that all new development on 98 have their own slow down turn lanes. Cars slowing in the right lane to make turns really bogs traffic down. 
 
No more curb cuts without turn lanes! 
 
I still don&#039;t understand why they didn&#039;t put a right turn lane on the corner of 393 when it was redone.

hnooe

Allied question: Who in Walton history is/was Chat Holley? Or, is it a type of tree?

Chat Holley:  long-time local pioneer.  I can still picture his old white farm-type house, on the corner of Powerline Road and 331.  I believe the brick fireplace that still stands was from his house, though I'd have to ask his grandson (who owned the property after him) to be certain.

Powerline Road was re-named Chat Holley Road posthumously.  And y'all should have seen old Powerline Road before it was paved.  Making it all the way from 393 to 331 was interesting, to say the least. :cool:

Chat Holley: long-time local pioneer. I can still picture his old white farm-type house, on the corner of Powerline Road and 331. I believe the brick fireplace that still stands was from his house, though I&#039;d have to ask his grandson (who owned the property after him) to be certain. 
 
Powerline Road was re-named Chat Holley Road posthumously. And y&#039;all should have seen old Powerline Road before it was paved. Making it all the way from 393 to 331 was interesting, to say the least. :cool:

florida girl

Chat's granddaughter was my best friend when I was a kid, great times we had!  Yes, that's the old fireplace from the old house.  I remember it, no indoor plumbing!  They had a 2 seater over in the side yard!  Chat was a real character, he used to sit in a lawn chair with cut offs, and swat flies.  His wife was a jewel of a lady, Madie.  She used to drive the school bus, and worked as a cook at various restaurants.  Particularly Chapmans.

Chat&#039;s granddaughter was my best friend when I was a kid, great times we had!  Yes, that&#039;s the old fireplace from the old house.  I remember it, no indoor plumbing!  They had a 2 seater over in the side yard!  Chat was a real character, he used to sit in a lawn chair with cut offs, and swat flies.  His wife was a jewel of a lady, Madie.  She used to drive the school bus, and worked as a cook at various restaurants.  Particularly Chapmans.

Matt J

SWGB

So let me get this straight. You're going to four lane a road that connects 2 two lane roads? Am I the only one trying to figure out how this releives traffic? Secondly, once you've built this 4 lane road, won't it cause a traffic signal to be placed at 331 and Chat Holley, thus backing up traffic on the bridge?

So let me get this straight. You&#039;re going to four lane a road that connects 2 two lane roads? Am I the only one trying to figure out how this releives traffic? Secondly, once you&#039;ve built this 4 lane road, won&#039;t it cause a traffic signal to be placed at 331 and Chat Holley, thus backing up traffic on the bridge?

[quote="sowalgayboi, post: 372351"]So let me get this straight. You're going to four lane a road that connects 2 two lane roads? Am I the only one trying to figure out how this releives traffic? Secondly, once you've built this 4 lane road, won't it cause a traffic signal to be placed at 331 and Chat Holley, thus backing up traffic on the bridge?[/quote]
good point.....at some time the traffic count would get high enough that there would have to be a light put in that exact spot.......or we have a fly over bridge with a merge lane!;-)

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="sowalgayboi">So let me get this straight. You&#039;re going to four lane a road that connects 2 two lane roads? Am I the only one trying to figure out how this releives traffic? Secondly, once you&#039;ve built this 4 lane road, won&#039;t it cause a traffic signal to be placed at 331 and Chat Holley, thus backing up traffic on the bridge?</blockquote>good point.....at some time the traffic count would get high enough that there would have to be a light put in that exact spot.......or we have a fly over bridge with a merge lane!;-)

There were several options proposed by the engineers. I recall all of them extending Chat Holley all the way to Mack Bayou Rd. I think one included making Chat Holley a two lane + a middle turning lane, and making Hwy 98 a six lane to carry the extra capacity. Keep in mind, this was being looked at on something like a twenty year into the future plan, and 331 expansion is already underway, and the expansion of the Clyde Wells bridge over the Bay, will likely be completed by then. Given the long-range look, the ideas proposed aren't so crazy, as this area will surely grow during the next twenty - thirty years. Without planning ahead, we will end up like the mess called Destin, which has only one slow way through town for the most part. I applaud them for looking ahead, and also for being smart enough to set some priorities and putting this one on the back burner.

There were several options proposed by the engineers. I recall all of them extending Chat Holley all the way to Mack Bayou Rd. I think one included making Chat Holley a two lane + a middle turning lane, and making Hwy 98 a six lane to carry the extra capacity. Keep in mind, this was being looked at on something like a twenty year into the future plan, and 331 expansion is already underway, and the expansion of the Clyde Wells bridge over the Bay, will likely be completed by then. Given the long-range look, the ideas proposed aren&#039;t so crazy, as this area will surely grow during the next twenty - thirty years. Without planning ahead, we will end up like the mess called Destin, which has only one slow way through town for the most part. I applaud them for looking ahead, and also for being smart enough to set some priorities and putting this one on the back burner.

They'll have to buy an easement, there isn't enough on the East end for an official repaving.  Col Fleet got tired of all the fussing about it and said "just pave what's there!"

They&#039;ll have to buy an easement, there isn&#039;t enough on the East end for an official repaving.  Col Fleet got tired of all the fussing about it and said &quot;just pave what&#039;s there!&quot;

has anyone heard about this and have any info to put out there? Opinions?  i was told that it was to give relief of 331 and 98 west bound.  Seems like a drastic measure put on the blue collar district of Sowal.

four lane for Chat Holley Rd.

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