Fox News makes me laugh

A McDonald's "Value" Meal, costs over $5 in most areas. One can easily go to the grocery store and buy healthy groceries and with a few basic instructions, produce a great tasting, healthy, balanced meal for that price, if not less. So, I don't understand your point.

But you don't get a toy.

rancid has been scoring points in this "debate?" !



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This argument is not thought out properly. You are making accusations which have no foundation in truth. Please try to stay on point.

Logical arguments and staying on point are contrary to how these threads go.
Argument made sense to me, though I didn't get the Jerry Springeresque reference (probably because I've never seen the show).

Only to those who are having problems reading.

Are the trolls back?


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Are the trolls back? .

I am sure that they are all related very closely.

I love this simplistic " Jerry Springer-esque" line of reasoning. I never personally owned a slave ; I never personally hurt an Indian ; I never dropped a nuclear bomb on anyone ; I never put U.S citizens in internment camps. Not my fault so bite me right.

The same joker will be the first to take credit for all the great things the U.S has brought to the world-- democracy , freedom of religion , the Constitution, and on.

Ask them why they deserve all the priviledges of living in this country , and all of a sudden they will tell you how many generations they have been here ( may even put it in their online name ).

I deserve all the good but am not responsible for any of the bad. Hypocritical. Now that i read this , I think we should call it the " Brown/Gonzalez/Rumsfeld/Wolfowitz" defense.

I believe that the last sentence in the first paragraph was a question, so I?ll address it as such. I?ve never defended slavery, so that is a red herring, and I?m not getting into the other stuff you addressed and let you change the subject. I have never met anyone who has taken credit for democracy or freedom of religion, much less the Constitution, so I think you are padding your word count with fabrications and diversions. I never said it was ?not my fault so bite me?. Kathydwells said ?BITE ME?, but I have not lowered my discourse to that level, even if you throw around Jerry Springer, which I have not watched. I believe that the playing field is as level as it ever has been, and it is well documented that the state granting privileges and concessions based on sins of this generation?s great-grandparents makes the problem much worse. I believe in hard work, and I believe in personal responsibility and accountability.

I resent the statement that based on the time my family has been in this country (6thGen only refers to Florida), I feel entitled. I?ve never said that, I?ve never acted with a sense of entitlement and despite what the hens here give you credit for on scoring points, you?ve done nothing but change the subject, post falsehoods and attack me personally. I am not surprised because it is typical behavior when one?s lack of argument depends on such, but it is intellectually weak

Excerpt to clarify the obesity vs. hunger idea:

The causes of obesity are complex; and problems associated with being overweight and obese affect all Americans, regardless of income or race. Emerging research suggests, however, that hunger, poverty and obesity may be intricately linked. Recent work from Cornell University and the University of California at Davis suggest that obesity among poor women may be linked to their habit of periodically going without food so that their children can eat.

Others factors also may contribute to the problem. Low income people may consume greater amounts of less expensive, high-calorie and high-fat foods to guard against hunger, or may be unable to afford sufficient amounts of more nutritious food. Cash-strapped families may increasingly rely on fast food chains, which promote "value" meals, such as oversized burgers, extra-large servings of fries and buckets of soda. Healthier foods ? such as meat, fish, fresh fruits, vegetables and whole grains ? often are more expensive than alternative junk food.
Poor neighborhoods often lack large grocery stores that typically offer the lowest prices and greatest range of brands, package sizes and quality choices.
They also often do not have access to farmers? markets that sell locally grown fresh fruits and vegetables. Transportation to these large grocery stores and farmers? markets also may be unavailable or expensive. Consequently, many families in low-income neighborhoods depend on their corner convenience stores, which often are stocked with high-cost, processed, pre-packaged foods. Exacerbating this problem, low-income families, especially those living in urban areas, often do not have safe areas for physical activity.

I?d like to see the study. Your second paragraph is rubbish.

I?ve never acted with a sense of entitlement and despite what the hens here give you credit for on scoring points, you?ve done nothing but change the subject, post falsehoods and attack me personally. I am not surprised because it is typical behavior when one?s lack of argument depends on such, but it is intellectually weak

Pot..................kettle!

Pot..................kettle!

Um, no. You said that it was racist when I posted that American Indians have a problem with alcoholism. Do they? Or are you saying that because stuff happened 100 years ago (even though we started trying to make up for it 80 years ago with cash), society should look past their behavior?

6thGen, I was just wondering, do you ever get to the beach to watch the sunset, and the moon rise?

6thGen, I was just wondering, do you ever get to the beach to watch the sunset, and the moon rise?

Relatively often, though I prefer sunrises to sunsets.

Relatively often, though I prefer sunrises to sunsets.

Good. I am glad.

I believe that the last sentence in the first paragraph was a question, so I?ll address it as such. I?ve never defended slavery, so that is a red herring, and I?m not getting into the other stuff you addressed and let you change the subject. I have never met anyone who has taken credit for democracy or freedom of religion, much less the Constitution, so I think you are padding your word count with fabrications and diversions. I never said it was ?not my fault so bite me?. Kathydwells said ?BITE ME?, but I have not lowered my discourse to that level, even if you throw around Jerry Springer, which I have not watched. I believe that the playing field is as level as it ever has been, and it is well documented that the state granting privileges and concessions based on sins of this generation?s great-grandparents makes the problem much worse. I believe in hard work, and I believe in personal responsibility and accountability.

I resent the statement that based on the time my family has been in this country (6thGen only refers to Florida), I feel entitled. I?ve never said that, I?ve never acted with a sense of entitlement and despite what the hens here give you credit for on scoring points, you?ve done nothing but change the subject, post falsehoods and attack me personally. I am not surprised because it is typical behavior when one?s lack of argument depends on such, but it is intellectually weak

6th Gen, where do you stand on inheritance taxes and issues regarding passing wealth to subsequent generations?
Do you feel heirs have a right to the fruit of their ancestors' labor or should they start on an even playing field with everyone else?

Oh no! The dreaded hens came out to read the insecure rooster's posts.


I know to the lounge >>>>>>>

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Good. I am glad.

To quote Browning, "day's at the morn". That's when you realize that God's in His Heaven and all's right with the world.

6th Gen, where do you stand on inheritance taxes and issues regarding passing wealth to subsequent generations?
Do you feel heirs have a right to the fruit of their ancestors' labor or should they start on an even playing field with everyone else?

I believe that a person is entitled to do whatever he wishes with the fruits of his or her labor. They can pass it to their heirs, they can give it to charity, they can set up an endowment, they can even offer it to the state. I don?t believe that the state is entitled to forcibly take what they have earned and distribute it as the state sees fit.

I believe that the last sentence in the first paragraph was a question, so I?ll address it as such. I?ve never defended slavery, so that is a red herring, and I?m not getting into the other stuff you addressed and let you change the subject. I have never met anyone who has taken credit for democracy or freedom of religion, much less the Constitution, so I think you are padding your word count with fabrications and diversions. I never said it was ?not my fault so bite me?. Kathydwells said ?BITE ME?, but I have not lowered my discourse to that level, even if you throw around Jerry Springer, which I have not watched. I believe that the playing field is as level as it ever has been, and it is well documented that the state granting privileges and concessions based on sins of this generation?s great-grandparents makes the problem much worse. I believe in hard work, and I believe in personal responsibility and accountability.

Um, no. You said that it was racist when I posted that American Indians have a problem with alcoholism. Do they? Or are you saying that because stuff happened 100 years ago (even though we started trying to make up for it 80 years ago with cash), society should look past their behavior?

I've been avoiding this thread since it's a trainwreck.....but

6th Gen, I am curious why you feel the playing field is as level as it has ever been? ( I assume you're talking about American Indians) The AI is it's own culture, who were granted rights and protections through treaties, but who which today are still fighting for many of those rights with the Federal government (and interpretations of those rights) to remain their own culture.

Further, coming from many generations of family, how many of them in the past had to fight for their basic rights to exist here? I am betting none, since they were either were born here as a citizen (other than AI) or immigrated here.

Yes, I believe in hard work and determination, but when you constantly have to defend your right to exist, your morals, and way of living, it becomes a job in itself. I don't know how much cash you think we're "throwing" at the AI, but many tribes are still fighting for basic healthcare, education, cultural and environmental concerns. Many of them are not involved in gaming.
So by not examining the roots causes of what you deem as unacceptable behaviour and ridiculing someone's signature line without truly understanding the meaning behind it for that person, you are lowering your discourse to a level of unacceptable behaviour to me.

I've been avoiding this thread since it's a trainwreck.....but

6th Gen, I am curious why you feel the playing field is as level as it has ever been? ( I assume you're talking about American Indians) The AI is it's own culture, who were granted rights and protections through treaties, but who which today are still fighting for many of those rights with the Federal government (and interpretations of those rights) to remain their own culture.

Further, coming from many generations of family, how many of them in the past had to fight for their basic rights to exist here? I am betting none, since they were either were born here as a citizen (other than AI) or immigrated here.

Yes, I believe in hard work and determination, but when you constantly have to defend your right to exist, your morals, and way of living, it becomes a job in itself. I don't know how much cash you think we're "throwing" at the AI, but many tribes are still fighting for basic healthcare, education, cultural and environmental concerns. Many of them are not involved in gaming.
So by not examining the roots causes of what you deem as unacceptable behaviour and ridiculing someone's signature line without truly understanding the meaning behind it for that person, you are lowering your discourse to a level of unacceptable behaviour to me.

I am saying that the playing field is as level as it has been for everyone in the world. According to the UN Report, income inequality has shown a sizable decline since 1980. The biggest factor is the fact that India and China (37% of world population) have opened their markets. Human capital (education, training, nutrition, etc) is much more evenly distributed than it was in 1960, even counting the AIDS epidemic in Africa which erased many gains after 1970. Income inequality in the US has grown since 1980, due to much greater returns on education than in the past, globalization, and technology. The rich have gotten richer, but so have the poor. The rich have just gotten richer at a faster pace than the poor have. However, inequality in regards to human capital, has shrunk significantly in the US and most developed countries.

How much my family had to fight for basic rights has little to do with me, other than the fact that I?ve never been able to use it as an excuse or a crutch.

American Indians do NOT have to defend their right to exist, that is ridiculous. They don?t have to defend morals or way of life that fall in the mainstream of what is acceptable in civilized societies. As for the level of discourse, I critiqued the author and the statement on her quote, but you defend her posting ?BITE ME?? Cartoons don?t have to be consistent, do they?

I believe that a person is entitled to do whatever he wishes with the fruits of his or her labor. They can pass it to their heirs, they can give it to charity, they can set up an endowment, they can even offer it to the state. I don?t believe that the state is entitled to forcibly take what they have earned and distribute it as the state sees fit.

My question was regarding the heir not the giver. Should heirs have the money or should they start on an even playing field like everyone else?

How much my family had to fight for basic rights has little to do with me, other than the fact that I?ve never been able to use it as an excuse or a crutch.

American Indians do NOT have to defend their right to exist, that is ridiculous. They don?t have to defend morals or way of life that fall in the mainstream of what is acceptable in civilized societies. As for the level of discourse, I critiqued the author and the statement on her quote, but you defend her posting ?BITE ME?? Cartoons don?t have to be consistent, do they?

and who is to decide what is acceptable in mainstream civilized societies?
AI have their own morals and way of life. Are you calling them uncivilized?

On the other issue, I consider someone's signature line a personal expression, so when you critique it and call it asinine and banal, I DO consider that personal and warranting a response. Had it been me, I would have said more than "Bite Me."

Save yourself a headache, this horse has been dead for a while, but 6th gen won't stop beating it!

My question was regarding the heir not the giver. Should heirs have the money or should they start on an even playing field like everyone else?

I do not believe that the heirs are entitled to the money, on the grounds that they won the ovarian lottery. I believe individuals are born with the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness (the same reason I believe in open borders). I believe that if a parent chooses to leave money to his or her children, the state should not be able to stop them.

and who is to decide what is acceptable in mainstream civilized societies?
AI have their own morals and way of life. Are you calling them uncivilized?

On the other issue, I consider someone's signature line a personal expression, so when you critique it and call it asinine and banal, I DO consider that personal and warranting a response. Had it been me, I would have said more than "Bite Me."

No, but I am calling kathydwells uncivilized if the best defense she can offer for her signature expression is "BITE ME". I'd hope your response, more than "BITE ME", would be a defense of something you found important. I doubt that is what you meant.

No, but I am calling kathydwells uncivilized if the best defense she can offer for her signature expression is "BITE ME". I'd hope your response, more than "BITE ME", would be a defense of something you found important. I doubt that is what you meant.

6thGen...remind me why you are on this board. Please direct me to any of your posts that deal directly with sowal.