The Volcano in Iceland, Ejafjoll sp?, could disrupt business and travel to SoWal. Volcanoes are very serious business for airlines. A number of airports are closed, including Heathrow. We were delayed for six days once because a volcano erupted near us. On the way back from SoWal, our flight was delayed another three days because the volcano had erupted again. Tip, don't wait for the airlines to get you a room, flight or transportation anywhere. We had learned on the first eruption. We immediately hired a taxi to take us to a local hotel rather than wait for an airport shuttle. Airport personnel had tried to discourage us from doing this. We declined to acquiesce to their request. Three hours later, people who had been on the plane with us arrived at hotel to inadequate rooms, etc. Several fights had broke out, or so we heard, of people in line waiting for transportation. This is the second time in four weeks this volcano has erupted. So travelers in and out of SoWal beware. Many international flights use the path over Iceland/Greenland.
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Mama Scooterbug said that they are worried that this eruption could trigger another bigger volcano!
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Maybe fly south and take the train in? A friend I ran into this evening had a hard time leaving Venice this morning and took a crazy route through Milan after a public boat, train and shuttle to the airport, but made it home. $200MM a day is lost and that's only the European flights being cancelled. I wonder what will be the insurance cost of this?
The problem is that most of the transatlantic aircraft are twin engine aircraft, and they are given what is called an ETOPS rating which dictates how many minutes they can be from the nearest suitable runway. Our aircraft at Delta are all 180 minute aircraft (some are only 120 minutes). You really can't fly much further south across the Atlantic and still be within 3 hours of a runway. Aircraft with three and four engines are not bound by this and could fly a more southerly route, but they account for a smaller traffic segment.
BTW...this volcano is costing Delta, alone, ten million bucks a day. OUCH!
Beach Lover
Its putting more noxious gases in the atmos per hour than all suvs since the dawn of motor engines
When will there be a cap and trade tax on it?
shouldnt it need to comply with fed guidlines on output ?
Maybe Dr Evil is testing a new "laser"
When will there be a cap and trade tax on it?
shouldnt it need to comply with fed guidlines on output ?
Maybe Dr Evil is testing a new "laser"
Beach Fanatic
Basically Mother Nature is saying, "quit arguing over all the petty stuff, and let me show you something to worry about."
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The problem is that most of the transatlantic aircraft are twin engine aircraft, and they are given what is called an ETOPS rating which dictates how many minutes they can be from the nearest suitable runway. Our aircraft at Delta are all 180 minute aircraft (some are only 120 minutes). You really can't fly much further south across the Atlantic and still be within 3 hours of a runway. Aircraft with three and four engines are not bound by this and could fly a more southerly route, but they account for a smaller traffic segment.
BTW...this volcano is costing Delta, alone, ten million bucks a day. OUCH!
I was very impressed with Delta for expanding their international legs during reorganization.
Do you know what the stop loss is on the insurance before it kicks in? The total losses to date are close to $2B with almost half of that attributed to the airlines. So, the insurance and reinsurance carriers will be reporting hefty losses this year as well.
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http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2010/04/icelands_disruptive_volcano.htmlhttp://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2010/04/icelands_disruptive_volcano.html
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Neat!
Thats RAW BEAUTY
surreal
I feel bad for the wild animals
Travel thing sucks- I start cussin when I get behind a road construction truck on 30a
schedule whipped-the word wait is an antique
guess i'm a weenie
beats on hood
The problem is that most of the transatlantic aircraft are twin engine aircraft, and they are given what is called an ETOPS rating which dictates how many minutes they can be from the nearest suitable runway. Our aircraft at Delta are all 180 minute aircraft (some are only 120 minutes). You really can't fly much further south across the Atlantic and still be within 3 hours of a runway. Aircraft with three and four engines are not bound by this and could fly a more southerly route, but they account for a smaller traffic segment.OUCH is right!
BTW...this volcano is costing Delta, alone, ten million bucks a day. OUCH!
BTW hubby's customer suggested that they meet in Keykjavik, Iceland. That airport has been open the entire time.
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The problem is that most of the transatlantic aircraft are twin engine aircraft, and they are given what is called an ETOPS rating which dictates how many minutes they can be from the nearest suitable runway. Our aircraft at Delta are all 180 minute aircraft (some are only 120 minutes). You really can't fly much further south across the Atlantic and still be within 3 hours of a runway. Aircraft with three and four engines are not bound by this and could fly a more southerly route, but they account for a smaller traffic segment.
BTW...this volcano is costing Delta, alone, ten million bucks a day. OUCH!
That is really useful information, Mr. Singinchicken. Can you tell us what aircraft are big enough to fly the longer flight? That might help some schedule. I know when we were flying out of our volcano mess, we finally had to go from Seattle to Los Angeles and get on an L1011, I think. Does DELTA even fly those anymore? We didn't fly it because of flight path at that time. Traffic was just so backed up by that 6th day that they thought we'd have a better chance of getting to Atlanta and eventually SoWal at that point.
I am sorry about the cost losses. Have people been furloughed? Told not to come in to work?
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That is really useful information, Mr. Singinchicken. Can you tell us what aircraft are big enough to fly the longer flight? That might help some schedule. I know when we were flying out of our volcano mess, we finally had to go from Seattle to Los Angeles and get on an L1011, I think. Does DELTA even fly those anymore? We didn't fly it because of flight path at that time. Traffic was just so backed up by that 6th day that they thought we'd have a better chance of getting to Atlanta and eventually SoWal at that point.
I am sorry about the cost losses. Have people been furloughed? Told not to come in to work?
In my experience, only the French do that. Except the employees will arbitrarily decide to furlough themselves. ARGH
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That is really useful information, Mr. Singinchicken. Can you tell us what aircraft are big enough to fly the longer flight? That might help some schedule. I know when we were flying out of our volcano mess, we finally had to go from Seattle to Los Angeles and get on an L1011, I think. Does DELTA even fly those anymore? We didn't fly it because of flight path at that time. Traffic was just so backed up by that 6th day that they thought we'd have a better chance of getting to Atlanta and eventually SoWal at that point.
I am sorry about the cost losses. Have people been furloughed? Told not to come in to work?
Nah...nothing like that going on.
L1011's are gone. I don't think anybody flies them. The MD11's are all owned by World Airlines. They are a Military Charter mainstay. The only
DC10's that I ever see are all freighters. That effectively limits you to 747's. ETOPS does not apply to any aircraft with more than two engines. Fortunately, the reliability of engines has gotten to be amazingly good. The different ratings are based on the level of maintenance program that the airline has. 180 minutes is the highest.
So...that being said...they need to look for something with three or four engines....
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