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Bob Hudson avatar
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The following "packet" was dropped in my drive last night. Was in a stapled plastic bag with the pages shown below inserted.


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Bob Hudson avatar
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#27
Bob I'm just curious about one aspect of this. Did your group meet with all of the candidates? Send out a questionnaire for them to respond to?

I heard somewhere you only met with Mrs Jones. Is that true ?
Bob Wells avatar
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#28
Bob I'm just curious about one aspect of this. Did your group meet with all of the candidates? Send out a questionnaire for them to respond to?

I heard somewhere you only met with Mrs Jones. Is that true ?

Yes, she sought us out. The only issues we discussed were public safety related. She also has been supportive of our issues in the past.
Bob Hudson avatar
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#29
Interesting. I distinctly remember being sought out to meet and discuss my ideas when I ran in 2008 by the Local reps.
Bob Wells avatar
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#30
You are correct. Since then we have not endorsed a County Commissioner Candidate until now. Also If you will remember we did not endorse Mrs Jones in that race.
steel1man avatar
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#31
When does the Mudslinging start?? That's how you pick your horse.
John G avatar
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#32
Wow, even more questions arise from Bob Hudson's post.... You didn't talk with any other candidates? Not too thorough of an endorsement process was it?

So all one has to do is "seek out" the Union and then agree with you on "public safety" issues and they're in!

As a person who lives in the community has supported the fire department and its Union, I am disappointed in your decision and even more so in the way you made it.
Bob Wells avatar
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#33
Wow, even more questions arise from Bob Hudson's post.... You didn't talk with any other candidates? Not too thorough of an endorsement process was it?

So all one has to do is "seek out" the Union and then agree with you on "public safety" issues and they're in!

As a person who lives in the community has supported the fire department and its Union, I am disappointed in your decision and even more so in the way you made it.

You know, I was honest and upfront how we decided. Really it makes no difference to me personally what your issue is on our selection process. Just as I won't criticize you on how you determine who you will or won't vote for because we have that right as you do. We selected and if people want to support our candidate or not that is their choice. Also please do not mistake that this is a Union endorsement not a Fire Department endorsement.

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John G avatar
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#34
You know, I was honest and upfront how we decided. Really it makes no difference to me personally what your issue is on our selection process. Just as I won't criticize you on how you determine who you will or won't vote for because we have that right as you do. We selected and if people want to support our candidate or not that is their choice. Also please do not mistake that this is a Union endorsement not a Fire Department endorsement.

When you start putting out signs for a candidate you become open to criticism. I don't have my own signs to put out supporting anyone... If I did, I expect some push back from opposition.

Who with the Union was involved in this decision making process? Was it only you or were other Firefighters involved in the conversation with Candidate Jones?

Can you share what questions you asked her and how she responded? How does she plan to support first responders?
Bob Wells avatar
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#35
So you are the opposition. Then nothing I say or do will make any difference with you.
John G avatar
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#36
So you are the opposition. Then nothing I say or do will make any difference with you.

First, I'm still undecided in the Dist. 2 Race.

Second, I'm not your opposition, I have stated how I've been a supporter of the Fire Department and the Union.

However, based on your posts, I could see where I would start to question my support of your group, based on your inability to answer questions about the candidate you all selected...

In addition, now I hear your candidate didn't even show up to the event last night. The forum was basically in her back yard... What excuse will she have for missing... 1) Family Illness, 2) Fear of being asked real questions about Subpoenaed Emails, Law Suits from a past constituent, double dip of Health Insurance, etc.

My guess is she'll use #1, but the real reason is #2.
Banned
#37
He's just another Union lapdog, no matter how you feel about this vote it definitely benefits the Union, so the Union stooge is blindly pimping it as hard as he can. The impotence of the Unions has driven them into any possible issue big or small to try to dig a toe in.
Beach Fanatic
#38
Just surprises me that a Republican would solicit and accept an endorsement from a union. We all know unions are not organized for collective bargaining, they are the work of the devil himself. (Please read the dripping sarcasm about unions being the work of the devil.). Did Mrs. Jones get endorsed by teachers union?
incredible1 avatar
Beach Lover
#39
The small business group headed by Gary Shipman supports her...Public Safety my butt.

They are 100% against any business license or registration which you guys need.

How do you know who has a business? Run it out of a home, who cares...? Right?

Do they cook food, in mass out of a house in a subdivision? Did they add ovens, etc. Do they store chemicals on site?

What about occupancy? How many can cram into a vacation or long term rental. Does this not effect insurance claims? And better yet the SAFETY of your troops?

If I went to a house fire, I might like to know if someone rewired a electric system or for example,may be storing chlorine on site, or added natural gas lines to supply cooking equipment.

She supports "first responders", because she has to, in order to get your votes.

Wasn't Danny Glidewel an actual first responder? Why not him? He's been on the front lines, unlike your candidate that has seemed to be the Subject of (law enforcement)...

Emails???

There is already a business license for working from home in Walton County.
The "license" was proposed to help SWFD know what businesses are there, but that's already covered with occupancy certificate. If the business type changes, new inspection, new occupancy certificate.
If the "license" was really to address safety, then why not once cent of the $50 would go to swfd. ?
$20 - cost to collect
$20 general county fund
$10 Economic Development
The small business group is not totally against a license, if the funds go where they are supposed to, the license covers what its supposed to cover, and proper records kept.
Certainly opposed to another tax cos that is what it is at the end of the day.
All that's open for debate.
Bob Hudson avatar
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#40
Yesterday I received a "letter bomb" thru the mail that questioned Sharon's Roberts MBA.

Today I received a "letter bomb" thru the mail "educating me" on Kim Kirby's tenure as City Manager of DeFuniak Springs.

No disclaimer on either and no return address on the envelope it was mailed in. Letter bombs are beginning to outnumber legal campaign literature.

So far I've received pieces like this on Cecilia Jones, Bill Eddins, Sharon Roberts, and Kim Kirby.

So much for "local values"

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Jdarg avatar
SoWal Expert
#41
Yesterday I received a "letter bomb" thru the mail that questioned Sharon's Roberts MBA.

Today I received a "letter bomb" thru the mail "educating me" on Kim Kirby's tenure as City Manager of DeFuniak Springs.

No disclaimer on either and no return address on the envelope it was mailed in. Letter bombs are beginning to outnumber legal campaign literature.

So far I've receive pieces like this on Cecilia Jones, Bill Eddins, Sharon Roberts, and Kim Kirby.

So much for "local values"

This kind of nasty is clearly designed to scare away any candidates who haven't lived here long enough to be de-sensitized to the nastiness. While I didn't vote for some of the candidates that were "bombed", no candidate or their family should have to be subjected to cowardly attacks. I don't know why some people keep trying to make our county a stereotypical joke.
Beach Fanatic
#42
Because they are scared. Scared of change. Scared because they have been taught that any ideas not originating from a Walton County native should be viewed as interlopers trying to change their way of life. Scared that people might be persuaded to vote in their own self-interest instead of what they are told is in their self-interest. Sadly Walton County is a microcosm of American politics. It us prevalent almost everywhere. That's why we need a win on the superintendent issue. We need to show that parents and voters can really make a difference.
Bob Wells avatar
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#43
Because they are scared. Scared of change. Scared because they have been taught that any ideas not originating from a Walton County native should be viewed as interlopers trying to change their way of life. Scared that people might be persuaded to vote in their own self-interest instead of what they are told is in their self-interest. Sadly Walton County is a microcosm of American politics. It us prevalent almost everywhere. That's why we need a win on the superintendent issue. We need to show that parents and voters can really make a difference.

Another person attempting to make it a North/ South issue or a local/ non local issue. It amazes me that what you think is right for the county is obviously the only way. People are voting their self interest, unfortunately it does not agree with what your self interest is. Look, I vote based on my self interest some of it may agree with yours and some may not. Whether you like it or not it is my right to vote how I see fit, it is your right to express your views, opinions to change my mind but in the end it is my decision. I will also at the end not begrudge the voters choice, doesn't mean I will like it just means I will respect it. Not a whole lot of difference really, both sides think they are right whether you chose to agree or not is what matters. Vote Yes

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John G avatar
Beach Fanatic
#44
Because they are scared. Scared of change. Scared because they have been taught that any ideas not originating from a Walton County native should be viewed as interlopers trying to change their way of life. Scared that people might be persuaded to vote in their own self-interest instead of what they are told is in their self-interest. Sadly Walton County is a microcosm of American politics. It us prevalent almost everywhere. That's why we need a win on the superintendent issue. We need to show that parents and voters can really make a difference.

Well said. I agree 100%.
Beach Fanatic
#45
Another person attempting to make it a North/ South issue or a local/ non local issue. It amazes me that what you think is right for the county is obviously the only way. People are voting their self interest, unfortunately it does not agree with what your self interest is. Look, I vote based on my self interest some of it may agree with yours and some may not. Whether you like it or not it is my right to vote how I see fit, it is your right to express your views, opinions to change my mind but in the end it is my decision. I will also at the end not begrudge the voters choice, doesn't mean I will like it just means I will respect it. Not a whole lot of difference really, both sides think they are right whether you chose to agree or not is what matters. Vote Yes

Bob,

I don't get your reference to North v. South county. The issue of voting against your own self-interest has been studied for the past 50 years by political scientists. The more educated and affluent the voter, the more likely they are to always vote for their own economic self-interest. Those on the lower end of the socio-economic and educational spectrum tend to unknowingly vote against their best interests more often. Not because they are dumb, but because political operatives have mastered the art of manipulating them with emotional issues instead of facts. I can give you a long bibliography of studies if you need them. The point I was making us that studies show that school systems with appointed superintendents have better performing schools on average. I haven't even seen arguments on the NO side disputing this. Instead, the NO side is using the politics of fear to get people to leave the system the way it is. Haven't heard any NO say, Education standards will decline and here are the studies that show it. Instead they say....the YES crowd is taking away your right to vote. ( when in my opinion we are elevating their responsibility to vote for good school board members who have more power). The new superintendent is going to be a "liberal". ( why? The school board that would choose the superintendent is certainly not a bastion of left wing radicals.)We need someone with Walton County values running our schools. ( what exactly are values exclusive to Walton County that the good people from other places do not have? This is fear-based politics. Democrats and Republicans have used it for years depending upon the issue. It is almost always used when the facts do not support their position.
Beach Comber
#46
This kind of nasty is clearly designed to scare away any candidates who haven't lived here long enough to be de-sensitized to the nastiness. While I didn't vote for some of the candidates that were "bombed", no candidate or their family should have to be subjected to cowardly attacks. I don't know why some people keep trying to make our county a stereotypical joke.

It is also dirty to steal or destroy signs of your opposition. A candidate told me yesterday that he had lost over 100 signs and that someone was also running over his signs. He also told me that the spouse of another candidate was going to his supporters trying to intimidate them and that his children's employers have been called in an effort to get them in trouble. Those kinds of things are just awful. It is no wonder that many good, decent people refuse to run for public office.
Misty avatar
Banned
#47
Sounds like typical C Jones material.
enfuego avatar
Beach Lover
#48
What is this occupancy certificate you speak of? How do I get one? If I decide to open a new business, who do I call for this?



There is already a business license for working from home in Walton County.
The "license" was proposed to help SWFD know what businesses are there, but that's already covered with occupancy certificate. If the business type changes, new inspection, new occupancy certificate.
If the "license" was really to address safety, then why not once cent of the $50 would go to swfd. ?
$20 - cost to collect
$20 general county fund
$10 Economic Development
The small business group is not totally against a license, if the funds go where they are supposed to, the license covers what its supposed to cover, and proper records kept.
Certainly opposed to another tax cos that is what it is at the end of the day.
All that's open for debate.
John G avatar
Beach Fanatic
#49
It is also dirty to steal or destroy signs of your opposition. A candidate told me yesterday that he had lost over 100 signs and that someone was also running over his signs. He also told me that the spouse of another candidate was going to his supporters trying to intimidate them and that his children's employers have been called in an effort to get them in trouble. Those kinds of things are just awful. It is no wonder that many good, decent people refuse to run for public office.
Call sheriffs office. They love to investigate allegations of political wrong doings...

Except when it involves their leaders contributors.

Typical Walton County...
incredible1 avatar
Beach Lover
#50
What is this occupancy certificate you speak of? How do I get one? If I decide to open a new business, who do I call for this?
SWFD issues a cert based on safety. Check with Mr Sanchez there as he does the inspections.
Planning also signs off of the building confirming its in compliance. You cant open without either of these
John G avatar
Beach Fanatic
#51
Yes which is why I can put unlimited people in my condo!!!!!

Wait till there's a fire!

Why do our neighbors in Bay and Oktodoso regulate it???

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