Jimmy Carter Racist?

The answer is NO

This one is easy - NO, Jimmy Carter is absolutely not a racist. To suggest otherwise just shows that you either are clueless or are just trying to start something where nothing exists.

Happy 85th, Jimmy.

End of thread (hopefully).

I came across something today that happened in August 2006 and it relates to a comment Jimmy Carter made regarding Obama.

In an interview with Jim Lehrer, Jimmy referred to Obama as "this black boy...". Why was there not furor beyond belief on the left when one of their own made such a clearly racist remark about Obama? Joe Wilson simply said "you lie" and he was immediately called a racist. The racist trump card on Joes comment was pulled by none other than Jimmy Carter himself. If you want to compare the two remarks as to which had a more racist undertone, it would definitely be Jimmy's remark.

Bottom line, if a liberal makes a comment like the one Carter made, they get a free pass. Yet, it seems that any time a conservative makes a negative comment about Obama or his policies (ie:healthcare), the race card gets played.

My guess is neither Jimmy or Joe are racist, but only they and their Maker knows for sure. What I do know is that the left (and that includes you Bob on the far left) overuses the term time and time again on conservatives that oppose their policies. It's disgusting and cowardly when you must play the race card because you don't have the ability to make a compelling argument to support your position.

I read this thread and decided to come back to the 1st post. Now.. my question here is simple, How many here that are standing in judgement of what a RACEST remark is and find it offensive are of the RACE your proclaiming it to be about?

If you have not lived it how could anyone have the opinion it is Racist. Now where have I seen anyone of the BLACK community stand up against Jimmy Carter or Joe? The Media and the WHITE driven FAR LEFT have taken these comments to the task of being Racist. I for one do NOT find them to be Racist. They are the opinion of the speaker. There is nothing else in the foundations of their statements to even elude to the Racist titles. What FOOLS we have that give credit to the Media and the FAR LEFT wackos.

To answer the question that some might ask, I am a Very Proud BLACK African American. I am African by heritage and Black by pigmentation of the skin and AMERICAN by Birth.

I stood as a child in lines to use the public bathroom that said "******" on the door, I went to schools where ONLY Negros were allowed. I sat in the back of buses to get to my home. I watched family and friends be beat down for their color of skin, I seen them go to jail for just looking at a white woman wrong and it was not uncommon to have a member of the family to go missing walking to town never to be heard from again. So please anyone who has a taste of Racist Reality please feel free to step up!

Jack.

I read this thread and decided to come back to the 1st post. Now.. my question here is simple, How many here that are standing in judgement of what a RACEST remark is and find it offensive are of the RACE your proclaiming it to be about?

If you have not lived it how could anyone have the opinion it is Racist. Now where have I seen anyone of the BLACK community stand up against Jimmy Carter or Joe? The Media and the WHITE driven FAR LEFT have taken these comments to the task of being Racist. I for one do NOT find them to be Racist. They are the opinion of the speaker. There is nothing else in the foundations of their statements to even elude to the Racist titles. What FOOLS we have that give credit to the Media and the FAR LEFT wackos.

To answer the question that some might ask, I am a Very Proud BLACK African American. I am African by heritage and Black by pigmentation of the skin and AMERICAN by Birth.

I stood as a child in lines to use the public bathroom that said "******" on the door, I went to schools where ONLY Negros were allowed. I sat in the back of buses to get to my home. I watched family and friends be beat down for their color of skin, I seen them go to jail for just looking at a white woman wrong and it was not uncommon to have a member of the family to go missing walking to town never to be heard from again. So please anyone who has a taste of Racist Reality please feel free to step up!

Jack.

I don't think one needs to be a woman to recognize gender discrimination. I also don't believe one needs to black to rightfully conclude that another's words or actions are racist...

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Please refer back to previous posts, which I thought should have cleared this up. But then again, maybe not .................... :roll:

Jimmy Carter was referring to Barack during his days as a young child when he made the "boy" remark. There is no comparison between that and Wilson's racist driven vile contemptible rudeness. Hot Air ? Blog Archive ? Defending Jimmy Carter

What's intellectually dishonest is to do what you (fisher) did and mention the incident out of context without qualifying it. Many people including myself were unaware of the incident. Some would take your remark at face value and simply believe that Carter had made a racist remark. Without you providing the context, it is obvious that you are trying to deceive the reader into thinking that Carter actually made a racist remark, which he did not. Thank you for providing me with the opportunity to clear things up. I don't think we need the "maker" to sift through yet another crock of sh-- you have tried to dump on us.

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Please refer back to previous posts, which I thought should have cleared this up. But then again, maybe not .................... :roll:






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Please read the entire thread paying attention to my comments saying I do not believe either Joe or Jimmy's remarks were racially motivated (and agreed to by the one African American that has spoken up on the subject). The purpose of the thread is to call BS on all the people that throw out the race card time and time again in response to remarks that don't appear in the least bit to be racist.

Beanstalk said it well.

I don't think one needs to be a woman to recognize gender discrimination. I also don't believe one needs to black to rightfully conclude that another's words or actions are racist...

When it is blatant I agree. But, when you ascribe racism to a comment such as You lie, you are going way beyond what is blatant and reading way, way too much into the comment. There is no way you can read racism into the comment, you lie. If so, every singly person in the entire world is racist. Who has not used the words, you lie, or he lied or she lied..., at some point in their lives.

The libs need a serious reality check on this one. Even Obama agrees with me and most other sane people.

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Fisher, I also do not believe Wilson's comment, "You lie!", to be racist.

But I believe Lucifer was on target in calling you out on the way you posted your op, in that it was "intellectually dishonest" and taken out of context, leaving out the fact that Carter was referencing Obama as a young child when the remark was made.

"Some would take your remark at face value and simply believe that Carter had made a racist remark. Without you providing the context, it is obvious that you are trying to deceive the reader into thinking that Carter actually made a racist remark, which he did not. " - Lucifer

Your later explanation of why you say you started this thread is clouded by the tactics used in your op, imo.

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I had to do it.

YouTube - That's A Racist (That's Amore parody)

You are certainly entitled to your opinion. Good thing thats all it is, your opinion.

Just like a lib, you are reading more into something than is actually there.

My thread was titled Jimmy Carter racist? with a big old question mark. Then the initial post asked why he got a pass from a remark that would have gotten a conservative slaughtered and labled a racist. It was a fair question that no liberal can give a reasoned response to. Please tell me how it was intellectually dishonest. Lucifer wouldn't understand intellectual dishonesty if it slapped him/her in the face.

My face is sore after that spew, eff yourself.

My face is sore after that spew, eff yourself.

You are correct. That was uncalled for. My apologies. I deleted the post but cannot delete your copied version.

When it is blatant I agree. But, when you ascribe racism to a comment such as You lie, you are going way beyond what is blatant and reading way, way too much into the comment. There is no way you can read racism into the comment, you lie. If so, every singly person in the entire world is racist. Who has not used the words, you lie, or he lied or she lied..., at some point in their lives.

The libs need a serious reality check on this one. Even Obama agrees with me and most other sane people.

Fair point- in that "you lie" is not intrinsically a racist statement. However, we don't live in a vaccuum. Many people in this country were led to believe they should fear Obama. All the scary labels came out- he is a Muslim (gasp), a socialist (yikees), he is indoctrinating our kids, etc.

In most presidential elections, folks who voted for the second place finisher disagree with the policies of the first place finisher. But nonetheless, they deal and move on after their candidate's loss. This time around is different. Too many feel they still know better and need to protect us from "that one".

This is what fueled a congressman's outburst. The fear. And whether conscious or not, it is very likely that race is an element of that fear. And if it isn't, there is nothing at all absurd or implausible about questioning if it is.

Fair point- in that "you lie" is not intrinsically a racist statement. However, we don't live in a vaccuum. Many people in this country were led to believe they should fear Obama. All the scary labels came out- he is a Muslim (gasp), a socialist (yikees), he is indoctrinating our kids, etc.

In most presidential elections, folks who voted for the second place finisher disagree with the policies of the first place finisher. But nonetheless, they deal and move on after their candidate's loss. This time around is different. Too many feel they still know better and need to protect us from "that one".

This is what fueled a congressman's outburst. The fear. And whether conscious or not, it is very likely that race is an element of that fear. And if it isn't, there is nothing at all absurd or implausible about questioning if it is.

I agree, Geo. And, I think this is what President Carter was referring to...not that the comment, "you lie" was a racist comment, but that the mind set that allowed a U. S. Congressman, on the floor of the House, during a formal speech, given by the Head of State, to shout out such an inappropriate and juvenile attack, was fueled by a racist attitude.

One only need look at Cong. Wilson's other behaviors to see that it is certainly possible that he could hold some racist thoughts.

Has anyone else wondered about the construct of his comment (probably not, I guess it's the writing teacher in me, but...) why did he shout "You Lie"--instead of "Liar"? I wondered about it until I saw it is a line from the Teenage Ninja Turtles...so middle school behavior, I guess

Hopefully Cong. Wilson will disappear back into the woodwork somewhere along with Senator Allen...and a truly dedicated, adult person can be elected to represent the people of South Carolina.

While IMO there is certainly room for questioning policies and doing so in a determined way, more can be accomplished when the questioning is done from a point of view that is constructive rather than destructive.

Fair point- in that "you lie" is not intrinsically a racist statement. However, we don't live in a vaccuum. Many people in this country were led to believe they should fear Obama. All the scary labels came out- he is a Muslim (gasp), a socialist (yikees), he is indoctrinating our kids, etc.

In most presidential elections, folks who voted for the second place finisher disagree with the policies of the first place finisher. But nonetheless, they deal and move on after their candidate's loss. This time around is different. Too many feel they still know better and need to protect us from "that one".

This is what fueled a congressman's outburst. The fear. And whether conscious or not, it is very likely that race is an element of that fear. And if it isn't, there is nothing at all absurd or implausible about questioning if it is.

I don't buy any of that.

First, some not many think or thought President Obama is a Muslim and/or socialist and is indoctrinating our kids. His approval rating in January was something like 83%. Certainly that number includes some Republicans. Some people use the term Socialist to describe liberal policies, not as a literal label.

Second, how long did I hear that President Bush "stole" the election and is "not my President?" There are people who never get over their candidate losing an election. No more this time than ever before.

This charge of racism and fear is ridiculous. I only ever hear racism when it is brought up by Democrats. Senator Reid called President Bush a loser and later a liar. Was that racism or fear? No, it was typical of the opposition. That's just the way politics rolls. One side fears the other side is doing the wrong thing for our country - that's the only fear.

To explain why conservative Republicans object to the policies of a liberal Democrat President with a liberal Democrat House and Senate as somehow racist is completely absurd to me.

I don't buy any of that.

Agree to disagree...

EDIT: But for the record, I am not saying that Republicans (or anyone else) who disagrees with Obama's policies are racist. That would be completely absurd just as you said. Consider this-

Many progressives do not agree with his policies. I don't see their disagreement being racially driven. So this discussion is NOT about disagreement...

I am simply saying that fear and mistrust of this president has been injected into American minds and that I personally believe race is part of it (whether conscious or not).

Agree to disagree...

I am simply saying that fear and mistrust of this president has been injected into American minds and that I personally believe race is part of it (whether conscious or not).

Fear and mistrust is not uniquely directed toward the current President. I just read on another thread on SoWal where someone stated that they don't believe "anyone who worked in the deceptive Bush Administration." I doubt race has anything to do with this statement either.

It degrades political debate to assign race as the cause of disagreement. It implies the argument itself is not valid, so there must be an underlying, unrelated reason for disagreement.

All I know is the President is going to look like a dumb@ss if Wilson's statement was accurate, and something tells me if there is a public option it will cover both illegals and abortion. Just my opinion.

Is this thread still going? I have no idea why. Some people give too much credibility to the comments of journalists and radicals.