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lenzoe

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Hi SJ,

Thanks for contiuing to post sales figures. It's nice to see some facts rather than speculations.

I have one question on these statisticts, though. Would any closings on pre-construction contracts be included in these, or would those not show because they're not in the MLS?

Thanks.

Hi SJ, 
 
Thanks for contiuing to post sales figures. It&#039;s nice to see some facts rather than speculations. 
 
I have one question on these statisticts, though. Would any closings on pre-construction contracts be included in these, or would those not show because they&#039;re not in the MLS? 
 
Thanks.

[QUOTE=lenzoe]Hi SJ,

Thanks for contiuing to post sales figures. It's nice to see some facts rather than speculations.

I have one question on these statisticts, though. Would any closings on pre-construction contracts be included in these, or would those not show because they're not in the MLS?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]
Lenzoe, thanks for your feedback. You bring up a good question. 

Answer: Only if they are listed in the MLS. Agents are supposed to report all sales for purposes of comps, even if there was not a listing, however, they don't always do it, and Developer Sold units don't have to be a member of their local chapter of the Association of Realtors, therefore, they do not have to comply with MLS Rules. 

FYI- many preconstructions are listed in the MLS. If you are questioning the sales in Arial Dunes, they have been appearing as closed sales in the MLS, and those particular units are part of this data. You probably noticed the spike in closed sales for Condos from Sandestin to Okaloosa Cnty, from June having 22 to July, which posts 159 units closed. You will most likely note that the DOM (Days on Market) for Condos in that area is only 29, which is probably due to many Realtors not entering the listing data in a timely manner -- these units were listed and reserved long ago. 

Remember to take this data with a grain of salt. Garbage-in/garbage-out. If you do notice unusual numbers with my data, just ask -- there is a likely chance that it is due to some information not readily available to the general public, eg- knowing the Arial Dunes units closed in July. Maybe I won't know the answer, but there are other intelligent and trustworthy Realtors on SoWal who may know and chime in. 

I like looking at the data divided into the different areas which I show now.  For technical issues which I won't go into, I think the division of the properties works well at getting the most accurate information to you. However, nothing is set in stone. If anyone has an interest in seeing other data based on local sales, let me know, and I will see what I can do to get it to you.

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="lenzoe">Hi SJ, 
 
Thanks for contiuing to post sales figures. It&#039;s nice to see some facts rather than speculations. 
 
I have one question on these statisticts, though. Would any closings on pre-construction contracts be included in these, or would those not show because they&#039;re not in the MLS? 
 
Thanks.</blockquote>Lenzoe, thanks for your feedback. You bring up a good question. 
 
Answer: Only if they are listed in the MLS. Agents are supposed to report all sales for purposes of comps, even if there was not a listing, however, they don&#039;t always do it, and Developer Sold units don&#039;t have to be a member of their local chapter of the Association of Realtors, therefore, they do not have to comply with MLS Rules. 
 
FYI- many preconstructions are listed in the MLS. If you are questioning the sales in Arial Dunes, they have been appearing as closed sales in the MLS, and those particular units are part of this data. You probably noticed the spike in closed sales for Condos from Sandestin to Okaloosa Cnty, from June having 22 to July, which posts 159 units closed. You will most likely note that the DOM (Days on Market) for Condos in that area is only 29, which is probably due to many Realtors not entering the listing data in a timely manner -- these units were listed and reserved long ago. 
 
Remember to take this data with a grain of salt. Garbage-in/garbage-out. If you do notice unusual numbers with my data, just ask -- there is a likely chance that it is due to some information not readily available to the general public, eg- knowing the Arial Dunes units closed in July. Maybe I won&#039;t know the answer, but there are other intelligent and trustworthy Realtors on SoWal who may know and chime in. 
 
I like looking at the data divided into the different areas which I show now. For technical issues which I won&#039;t go into, I think the division of the properties works well at getting the most accurate information to you. However, nothing is set in stone. If anyone has an interest in seeing other data based on local sales, let me know, and I will see what I can do to get it to you.

Beachlover2

SJ

Thank you for posting these numbers - I find them very interesting and always spend time trying to figure out exactly what this means to me and my situation.  Information is power and I do appreciate your help in providing more info to us. :clap_1:  :clap_1:

SJ 
 
Thank you for posting these numbers - I find them very interesting and always spend time trying to figure out exactly what this means to me and my situation. Information is power and I do appreciate your help in providing more info to us. :clap_1: :clap_1:

Beachside

Beach Comber

Cannot tell you how much I appreciate your efforts on posting the sales numbers so regularly.  It really helps to have the facts as we all evaluate our real estate portfolios.

Didn't Luau Building II close in Sandestin in July which would account for the short DOM as well as the # of units sold??

Cannot tell you how much I appreciate your efforts on posting the sales numbers so regularly. It really helps to have the facts as we all evaluate our real estate portfolios. 
 
Didn&#039;t Luau Building II close in Sandestin in July which would account for the short DOM as well as the # of units sold??

SHELLY

SoWal Insider

[QUOTE=Smiling JOe]
Remember to take this data with a grain of salt. Garbage-in/garbage-out. If you do notice unusual numbers with my data, just ask -- there is a likely chance that it is due to some information not readily available to the general public, eg- knowing the Arial Dunes units closed in July. Maybe I won't know the answer, but there are other intelligent and trustworthy Realtors on SoWal who may know and chime in. 
[/QUOTE]

Interesting thing about these pre-constructions that are now closing out:

...if a number of people in the same condo closed at 2004 prices, let's say $300,000ish, and then a number of people want to try to sell their condo at 2005 prices, let's say $550,000ish, and considering a buyer needs to float a loan--how is the bank's appraiser going to justify a $550,000 loan when almost every comp (the best comps coming from the exact same building) sold for $200,000 less in the last couple of weeks?

Telling the bank that the price includes a 32" plasma TV in the deal isn't going to help--besides, who in their right mind would want to make payments on a TV stretched out over 30 years?  :roll:

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="Smiling JOe">Remember to take this data with a grain of salt. Garbage-in/garbage-out. If you do notice unusual numbers with my data, just ask -- there is a likely chance that it is due to some information not readily available to the general public, eg- knowing the Arial Dunes units closed in July. Maybe I won&#039;t know the answer, but there are other intelligent and trustworthy Realtors on SoWal who may know and chime in.</blockquote> 
Interesting thing about these pre-constructions that are now closing out: 
 
...if a number of people in the same condo closed at 2004 prices, let&#039;s say $300,000ish, and then a number of people want to try to sell their condo at 2005 prices, let&#039;s say $550,000ish, and considering a buyer needs to float a loan--how is the bank&#039;s appraiser going to justify a $550,000 loan when almost every comp (the best comps coming from the exact same building) sold for $200,000 less in the last couple of weeks? 
 
Telling the bank that the price includes a 32&quot; plasma TV in the deal isn&#039;t going to help--besides, who in their right mind would want to make payments on a TV stretched out over 30 years? :roll:

dsilvar

[QUOTE=SHELLY]Interesting thing about these pre-constructions that are now closing out:

...if a number of people in the same condo closed at 2004 prices, let's say $300,000ish, and then a number of people want to try to sell their condo at 2005 prices, let's say $550,000ish, and considering a buyer needs to float a loan--how is the bank's appraiser going to justify a $550,000 loan when almost every comp (the best comps coming from the exact same building) sold for $200,000 less in the last couple of weeks?

Telling the bank that the price includes a 32" plasma TV in the deal isn't going to help--besides, who in their right mind would want to make payments on a TV stretched out over 30 years?  :roll:[/QUOTE]

Just ask Pete Smith..Okaloosa county property appraiser..he will justify it for you..:biggrin:
Oh and thnks SJ for the stats... another demonstration of the milk of human kindness.

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="SHELLY">Interesting thing about these pre-constructions that are now closing out: 
 
...if a number of people in the same condo closed at 2004 prices, let&#039;s say $300,000ish, and then a number of people want to try to sell their condo at 2005 prices, let&#039;s say $550,000ish, and considering a buyer needs to float a loan--how is the bank&#039;s appraiser going to justify a $550,000 loan when almost every comp (the best comps coming from the exact same building) sold for $200,000 less in the last couple of weeks? 
 
Telling the bank that the price includes a 32&quot; plasma TV in the deal isn&#039;t going to help--besides, who in their right mind would want to make payments on a TV stretched out over 30 years? :roll:</blockquote> 
Just ask Pete Smith..Okaloosa county property appraiser..he will justify it for you..😀 
Oh and thnks SJ for the stats... another demonstration of the milk of human kindness.

[QUOTE=SHELLY]Interesting thing about these pre-constructions that are now closing out:

...if a number of people in the same condo closed at 2004 prices, let's say $300,000ish, and then a number of people want to try to sell their condo at 2005 prices, let's say $550,000ish, and considering a buyer needs to float a loan--how is the bank's appraiser going to justify a $550,000 loan when almost every comp (the best comps coming from the exact same building) sold for $200,000 less in the last couple of weeks?

Telling the bank that the price includes a 32" plasma TV in the deal isn't going to help--besides, who in their right mind would want to make payments on a TV stretched out over 30 years?  :roll:[/QUOTE]

Shelly,
Good question and difficult for appraisers to do, I am sure. Most likely, they will take into account that the reservations were made in 2004 for the cheaper sales. However, with this slow market, it may indeed be difficult to justify $550K for that same unit, today. 

Thanks to everyone for your comments.

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="SHELLY">Interesting thing about these pre-constructions that are now closing out: 
 
...if a number of people in the same condo closed at 2004 prices, let&#039;s say $300,000ish, and then a number of people want to try to sell their condo at 2005 prices, let&#039;s say $550,000ish, and considering a buyer needs to float a loan--how is the bank&#039;s appraiser going to justify a $550,000 loan when almost every comp (the best comps coming from the exact same building) sold for $200,000 less in the last couple of weeks? 
 
Telling the bank that the price includes a 32&quot; plasma TV in the deal isn&#039;t going to help--besides, who in their right mind would want to make payments on a TV stretched out over 30 years? :roll:</blockquote> 
Shelly, 
Good question and difficult for appraisers to do, I am sure. Most likely, they will take into account that the reservations were made in 2004 for the cheaper sales. However, with this slow market, it may indeed be difficult to justify $550K for that same unit, today. 
 
Thanks to everyone for your comments.

[QUOTE=Beachside]

Didn't Luau Building II close in Sandestin in July which would account for the short DOM as well as the # of units sold??[/QUOTE]It may have, but it is not listed in the MLS as such. In the MLS, Luau II, accounts for only 1 closed sale in July '06. Ariel Dunes accounts for 100 units sold in July, with an average DOM equalling 21 days, however the DOM is very incorrect as most of those listings do not have the DOM calculated by Solid EArth, the data system which ECAR uses. Most were listed in 2004 and did not close until July '06. 

As I said, use the info with a grain of salt. Garbage in = garbage out. ;-)

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="Beachside">Didn&#039;t Luau Building II close in Sandestin in July which would account for the short DOM as well as the # of units sold??</blockquote>It may have, but it is not listed in the MLS as such. In the MLS, Luau II, accounts for only 1 closed sale in July &#039;06. Ariel Dunes accounts for 100 units sold in July, with an average DOM equalling 21 days, however the DOM is very incorrect as most of those listings do not have the DOM calculated by Solid EArth, the data system which ECAR uses. Most were listed in 2004 and did not close until July &#039;06. 
 
As I said, use the info with a grain of salt. Garbage in = garbage out. ;-)

spinDrAtl

[QUOTE=SHELLY]Interesting thing about these pre-constructions that are now closing out:

...if a number of people in the same condo closed at 2004 prices, let's say $300,000ish, and then a number of people want to try to sell their condo at 2005 prices, let's say $550,000ish, and considering a buyer needs to float a loan--how is the bank's appraiser going to justify a $550,000 loan when almost every comp (the best comps coming from the exact same building) sold for $200,000 less in the last couple of weeks?

Telling the bank that the price includes a 32" plasma TV in the deal isn't going to help--besides, who in their right mind would want to make payments on a TV stretched out over 30 years?  :roll:[/QUOTE]

The appraisers would take into account that the original contracts were written 2 years ago.  They would look at the fact that those prices were preconstruction and search for comparable properties that were not preconstruction.  It still might be tough though if prices are dropping all around.

If you are talking about the 550k sale being a resale as opposed to a preconstruction (and assuming a loan was needed, which you state), one would hope the buyer had a competent realtor who added a clause regarding the ability to get financing (and possibly an acceptable appraisal for the purchase price) to protect any earnest money.  In most cases, the preconstruction type deals are considered 'cash' transactions once they pass a certain commitment date so financing is not part of the contract.

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="SHELLY">Interesting thing about these pre-constructions that are now closing out: 
 
...if a number of people in the same condo closed at 2004 prices, let&#039;s say $300,000ish, and then a number of people want to try to sell their condo at 2005 prices, let&#039;s say $550,000ish, and considering a buyer needs to float a loan--how is the bank&#039;s appraiser going to justify a $550,000 loan when almost every comp (the best comps coming from the exact same building) sold for $200,000 less in the last couple of weeks? 
 
Telling the bank that the price includes a 32&quot; plasma TV in the deal isn&#039;t going to help--besides, who in their right mind would want to make payments on a TV stretched out over 30 years? :roll:</blockquote> 
The appraisers would take into account that the original contracts were written 2 years ago. They would look at the fact that those prices were preconstruction and search for comparable properties that were not preconstruction. It still might be tough though if prices are dropping all around. 
 
If you are talking about the 550k sale being a resale as opposed to a preconstruction (and assuming a loan was needed, which you state), one would hope the buyer had a competent realtor who added a clause regarding the ability to get financing (and possibly an acceptable appraisal for the purchase price) to protect any earnest money. In most cases, the preconstruction type deals are considered &#039;cash&#039; transactions once they pass a certain commitment date so financing is not part of the contract.

[QUOTE=spinDrAtl]The appraisers would take into account that the original contracts were written 2 years ago.  They would look at the fact that those prices were preconstruction and search for comparable properties that were not preconstruction.  It still might be tough though if prices are dropping all around.

If you are talking about the 550k sale being a resale as opposed to a preconstruction (and assuming a loan was needed, which you state), [b]one would hope the buyer had a competent realtor who added a clause regarding the ability to get financing (and possibly an acceptable appraisal for the purchase price) to protect any earnest money.  [/b]In most cases, the preconstruction type deals are considered 'cash' transactions once they pass a certain commitment date so financing is not part of the contract.[/QUOTE]

We Realtors appreciate the plug, but one would only need a Realtor who uses the FAR contract, which covers the appraisal in par 3 regarding Financing, lines 33 - 37. ;-) Competent or not, the buyer would be covered unless this clause is removed.

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="spinDrAtl">The appraisers would take into account that the original contracts were written 2 years ago. They would look at the fact that those prices were preconstruction and search for comparable properties that were not preconstruction. It still might be tough though if prices are dropping all around. 
 
If you are talking about the 550k sale being a resale as opposed to a preconstruction (and assuming a loan was needed, which you state), one would hope the buyer had a competent realtor who added a clause regarding the ability to get financing (and possibly an acceptable appraisal for the purchase price) to protect any earnest money. In most cases, the preconstruction type deals are considered &#039;cash&#039; transactions once they pass a certain commitment date so financing is not part of the contract.</blockquote> 
We Realtors appreciate the plug, but one would only need a Realtor who uses the FAR contract, which covers the appraisal in par 3 regarding Financing, lines 33 - 37. ;-) Competent or not, the buyer would be covered unless this clause is removed.

[QUOTE=Smiling JOe]We Realtors appreciate the plug, but one would only need a Realtor who uses the FAR contract, which covers the appraisal in par 3 regarding Financing, lines 33 - 37. ;-) Competent or not, the buyer would be covered unless this clause is removed.[/QUOTE]

I know standard contracts vary state to state and I have seen some that contain sort of a 'drop dead' date where once passed, other clauses are no longer relevant unless the agreement has been amended.  I suppose in cases where such dates are included, perhaps the realtor would work to get that changed if the appraisal and/or financing might become an issue.

Also, some buyers without realtors like to write their own contracts or use preprinted ones from an office supply store.  I guess at that point we would not be talking competent realtor vs. incompetent realtor.  ;-)

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="Smiling JOe">We Realtors appreciate the plug, but one would only need a Realtor who uses the FAR contract, which covers the appraisal in par 3 regarding Financing, lines 33 - 37. ;-) Competent or not, the buyer would be covered unless this clause is removed.</blockquote> 
I know standard contracts vary state to state and I have seen some that contain sort of a &#039;drop dead&#039; date where once passed, other clauses are no longer relevant unless the agreement has been amended. I suppose in cases where such dates are included, perhaps the realtor would work to get that changed if the appraisal and/or financing might become an issue. 
 
Also, some buyers without realtors like to write their own contracts or use preprinted ones from an office supply store. I guess at that point we would not be talking competent realtor vs. incompetent realtor. ;-)

[QUOTE=Smiling JOe]

[...]

Answer: Only if they are listed in the MLS. Agents are supposed to report all sales for purposes of comps, even if there was not a listing, however, they don't always do it, and Developer Sold units don't have to be a member of their local chapter of the Association of Realtors, therefore, they do not have to comply with MLS Rules. 

FYI- many preconstructions are listed in the MLS. If you are questioning the sales in Arial Dunes, they have been appearing as closed sales in the MLS, and those particular units are part of this data. You probably noticed the spike in closed sales for Condos from Sandestin to Okaloosa Cnty, from June having 22 to July, which posts 159 units closed. You will most likely note that the DOM (Days on Market) for Condos in that area is only 29, which is probably due to many Realtors not entering the listing data in a timely manner -- these units were listed and reserved long ago. 

Remember to take this data with a grain of salt.

[...]
[/QUOTE]

I understand. All good points. I was actually interested in the under-reporting possibilities of pre-construction closings. Do you know whether the Cassine Station units in Seagrove were represented in the May, or June, or possibly April figures? There should have been 18 residential units in that building that closed around then.

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="Smiling JOe">[...] 
 
Answer: Only if they are listed in the MLS. Agents are supposed to report all sales for purposes of comps, even if there was not a listing, however, they don&#039;t always do it, and Developer Sold units don&#039;t have to be a member of their local chapter of the Association of Realtors, therefore, they do not have to comply with MLS Rules. 
 
FYI- many preconstructions are listed in the MLS. If you are questioning the sales in Arial Dunes, they have been appearing as closed sales in the MLS, and those particular units are part of this data. You probably noticed the spike in closed sales for Condos from Sandestin to Okaloosa Cnty, from June having 22 to July, which posts 159 units closed. You will most likely note that the DOM (Days on Market) for Condos in that area is only 29, which is probably due to many Realtors not entering the listing data in a timely manner -- these units were listed and reserved long ago. 
 
Remember to take this data with a grain of salt. 
 
[...]</blockquote> 
I understand. All good points. I was actually interested in the under-reporting possibilities of pre-construction closings. Do you know whether the Cassine Station units in Seagrove were represented in the May, or June, or possibly April figures? There should have been 18 residential units in that building that closed around then.

[QUOTE=lenzoe]I understand. All good points. I was actually interested in the under-reporting possibilities of pre-construction closings. Do you know whether the Cassine Station units in Seagrove were represented in the May, or June, or possibly April figures? There should have been 18 residential units in that building that closed around then.[/QUOTE]I think Howard, the developer of Cassine,  held out a few of the units, ie- did not offer them for sale. 15 units show as closed from the original sales. About half of the sales show at the end of Mar, and the other half show closings in April. All units which were sold [u][i]are[/i] [/u]actually entered in the MLS.

<blockquote class="xfBb-quote" data-name="lenzoe">I understand. All good points. I was actually interested in the under-reporting possibilities of pre-construction closings. Do you know whether the Cassine Station units in Seagrove were represented in the May, or June, or possibly April figures? There should have been 18 residential units in that building that closed around then.</blockquote>I think Howard, the developer of Cassine, held out a few of the units, ie- did not offer them for sale. 15 units show as closed from the original sales. About half of the sales show at the end of Mar, and the other half show closings in April. All units which were sold are actually entered in the MLS.

fisher

[b]updated data[/b]

Joe, do you have updated stats for the last few years.

updated data 
 
Joe, do you have updated stats for the last few years.

TreeFrog

SJ-

I downloaded DSF SoWal.pdf.  It appears to be missing a page - only runs through mid-2006.  Could you repost.

Thanks

SJ- 
 
I downloaded DSF SoWal.pdf. It appears to be missing a page - only runs through mid-2006. Could you repost. 
 
Thanks

Suma

Beach Lover

Treefrog,
I thought the same thing until I realized this thread was started in 2006!  However, if Smilin Joe has current stats, I would love to see them!

Treefrog, 
I thought the same thing until I realized this thread was started in 2006! However, if Smilin Joe has current stats, I would love to see them!

Uh oh...

(looking for smiley face of bashing forehead with palm of hand)

Uh oh... 
 
(looking for smiley face of bashing forehead with palm of hand)

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The only area where there appears to have been stability over the last two years is in the category of single family detached homes from Sandestin to Destin. 

Overall Net Inventory appears to have leveled off, although still very high. Most sales prices appear to be inline with 2004 prices. 

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The only area where there appears to have been stability over the last two years is in the category of single family detached homes from Sandestin to Destin. 
 
Overall Net Inventory appears to have leveled off, although still very high. Most sales prices appear to be inline with 2004 prices. 
 
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