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Meet the Real Villain of the Financial Crisis

futurebeachbum avatar
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OpEd in the NYT maintains, correctly I think, that Congress is to blame.

From the article:

More important, it was Congress that sat by idly as consumer advocates warned that people were getting loans they?d never be able to pay back. It was Congress that refused to regulate derivatives, despite ample evidence dating back to 1994 of the dangers they posed. It was Congress that repealed the Glass-Steagall Act, which separated investment and commercial banking, yet failed to update the fraying regulatory system.

It was Congress that spread the politically convenient gospel of home ownership, despite data and testimony showing that much of what was going on had little to do with putting people in homes. And it?s Congress that has been either unwilling or unable to put in place rules that have a shot at making things better. The financial crisis began almost three years ago and it?s still not clear if we?ll have meaningful new legislation. In fact, Senate Republicans on Monday voted to block floor debate on the latest attempt at a reform bill.

I don't expect Congress to level much (if any) criticism at themselves. They are, as always, blameless.

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OpEd in the NYT maintains, correctly I think, that Congress is to blame.

From the article:

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I don't expect Congress to level much (if any) criticism at themselves. They are, as always, blameless.

"Come to think about it, shouldn?t Congress have its turn on the hot seat as well? Seeing Goldman executives get their comeuppance may make us all feel better in the short term. But today?s spectacle shouldn?t provide our government with a convenient way to deflect the blame it so richly deserves."
Andy A avatar
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FBB, do not expect to convince many that the blame lies with Congress, Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae. Congressional representatives that had a hand in assuring that many people granted homes they couldn't afford, loaned money they couldn't pay back and believed everyone is entitled to instant gratification of the American dream regardless of what their personal situation might be, are really not to be held responsible for their valued judgement, no matter how faulty it might be. Barney Frank immediately comes to mind.
Here4Good avatar
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I gotta go with Taibbi on this one. If every single mortgage loan which was underwritten as a CRA loan between 2002 and 2007 went south on the same day, we wouldn't be where we are.

CRA loans are a very small percentage of what went (and is going) south (especially if you are looking at $$, not counts). If, on the other hand, lenders had stuck to 1980's era underwriting guidelines on non-owner occupied (investulator) loans, our foreclosure rate in SoWal wouldn't be approaching 20% of all properties and you wouldn't have subdivisions full of brand new, never lived in foreclosures in Phoenix and Las Vegas.
Lynnie avatar
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There are so many angles in this mess~~~~~~
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There are so many angles in this mess~~~~~~

Yep - many are to blame for sure.
Here4Good avatar
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Yep, that's why the GOP wants to just do nothing, since it's hard to actually blame anybody. I mean, who knew? Too many causes. Let's not point fingers. Let's get the financial industry back to making 4-5 times the profits of the rest of the industries, where God meant for them to be.

Sorry, I'm a little bitter over the financial reform bill (or, as Linda Richman would say, "which is neither reform nor a bill - discuss."). It doesn't go far enough, and the GOP is still filibustering it, proving either that they don't care what the proposal is, if Obama wants it they're against it, or that they are complete lapdogs for Goldman and their ilk.

Taibbi actually has a really interesting point in this article, which is the belief that the people running these behemoth banks are just that much smarter than the rest of us and therefore deserve all of the money.

Don't believe it for a minute. I believe that if you are a reasonably intelligent person, and you follow the financial news closely, you will find that they are just not that smart. Period. They are, however, deeply entrenched in a belief system that makes Scientology seem like a book club, and unlike Scientology, we are paying their club fees.
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Sure Congress bears part of the blame-note the guys filibustering the bill.
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Sure Congress bears part of the blame-note the guys filibustering the bill.

Can you tell me if you think that this is a good bill and if so why?? From what I've been reading it seems that even though the Republicans are blocking this bill, many democrats also say that it lacks teeth. Here is one such opinion piece that I found interesting Financial Reform: Meat or Kabuki Today? | FDL Action

I appreciate your input Buz :wave:
Lynnie avatar
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Yep - many are to blame for sure.

I know. And, I appreciate the opinions, but there are more than just two: blame dem or rep......this one goes deeper and until those dems and reps resolve this minor fact, they will simply continue to point the finger. Unfortunately.
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Can you tell me if you think that this is a good bill and if so why?? From what I've been reading it seems that even though the Republicans are blocking this bill, many democrats also say that it lacks teeth. Here is one such opinion piece that I found interesting Financial Reform: Meat or Kabuki Today? | FDL Action

I appreciate your input Buz :wave:

Thank you.

I think this bill is an improvement over the status quo. In fact there is no doubt.

However it lost a tremendous amount of muscle when the fiduciary standard (introduced by Carl Levin) was stripped out.

The lack of a fiduciary standard is bad but we don't have one today.
So stockbrokers can claim (sorry guys) that they are looking out for your interest when that is optional.

Some do...

The worst enemy of a good financial plan is the illusion of a perfect financial plan. So is this bill perfect? Nope but it is an improvement.

Would I like to see a Consumer Financial Protection Agency? Undoubtably.

The too big to fail dilemma could be solved by requiring banks to make more reserves.

Hopefully the theater of watching 41 Republicans vote en masse for Goldman Sachs will change the dynamics.

Too long?

I'm sorry.
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I know. And, I appreciate the opinions, but there are more than just two: blame dem or rep......this one goes deeper and until those dems and reps resolve this minor fact, they will simply continue to point the finger. Unfortunately.

There may be many to blame.

But the Republicans are voting en masse to stop these baby step reforms.

Who caused the problem is secondary, let's make sure it doesn't happen again.
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Thank you.

I think this bill is an improvement over the status quo. In fact there is no doubt.

However it lost a tremendous amount of muscle when the fiduciary standard (introduced by Carl Levin) was stripped out.

The lack of a fiduciary standard is bad but we don't have one today.
So stockbrokers can claim (sorry guys) that they are looking out for your interest when that is optional.

Some do...

The worst enemy of a good financial plan is the illusion of a perfect financial plan. So is this bill perfect? Nope but it is an improvement.

Would I like to see a Consumer Financial Protection Agency? Undoubtably.

The too big to fail dilemma could be solved by requiring banks to make more reserves.

Hopefully the theater of watching 41 Republicans vote en masse for Goldman Sachs will change the dynamics.

Too long?

I'm sorry.

Thanks Buz - The more I read the more confused I get. This article from Bloomberg.com suggests that the current bill will be good for Goldman Sachs :idontno:

Goldman Sachs Money for Obama Wins at Monopoly: Kevin Hassett - Bloomberg.com
TNJed avatar
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At the end of the day, all of this is just nature doing what nature does best.....turning mountains into molehills. As our US Empire grows so do our problems...at exponential rates. Greed and corruption have always been the downfall of man. The same can be said for an individual or a small business or even a star (either variety).

A hydrogen star's enemy is it's burn rate....the brighter it shines the quicker it dies. Guess the same could be said for the star du jour variety as well. Mountains erode faster the steeper they are. Individuals...mo' money means mo' problems. Societies and/or countries devour themselves when they reach that magical tipping point of too much wealth and apathy. Dynasty's, Czars, Emperors, Kings, Hun's, Great's and Goldmen always get the Sach in the end. Always.

I have no bias in this other than truth. And the truth is.... lasting progress is a fallacy.

"Buy the ticket, take the ride."
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Thank you.

I think this bill is an improvement over the status quo. In fact there is no doubt.

However it lost a tremendous amount of muscle when the fiduciary standard (introduced by Carl Levin) was stripped out.

The lack of a fiduciary standard is bad but we don't have one today.
So stockbrokers can claim (sorry guys) that they are looking out for your interest when that is optional.

Some do...

The worst enemy of a good financial plan is the illusion of a perfect financial plan. So is this bill perfect? Nope but it is an improvement.

Would I like to see a Consumer Financial Protection Agency? Undoubtably.

The too big to fail dilemma could be solved by requiring banks to make more reserves.

Hopefully the theater of watching 41 Republicans vote en masse for Goldman Sachs will change the dynamics.

Too long?

I'm sorry.

Actually the republicans have stripped out some of the more worthless parts of the dems bill (like the perma-bailout authority for FDIC, which I might add Obama is against) and are now circulating their own measure. It includes an unwind provision for Freddie and Fannie as well, something sorely missing from the dems proposals.

Generally I think the hope is the two bills can be combined into a single piece of legislation that will get bi-partisan support.

The real tragedy here is not the filibuster of the dem's bail out bill, it's the fact that dems have been presented with a real opportunity to produce bi-partisan legislation, and thus far have totally refused to take advantage fo it.

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Actually the republicans have stripped out some of the more worthless parts of the dems bill (like the perma-bailout authority for FDIC, which I might add Obama is against) and are now circulating their own measure. It includes an unwind provision for Freddie and Fannie as well, something sorely missing from the dems proposals.

Generally I think the hope is the two bills can be combined into a single piece of legislation that will get bi-partisan support.

The real tragedy here is not the filibuster of the dem's bail out bill, it's the fact that dems have been presented with a real opportunity to produce bi-partisan legislation, and thus far have totally refused to take advantage fo it.

I was hoping you would chime in on this. I always learn a lot from your posts!!

I'm still trying to figure out what the heck a derivative is though :lol:
futurebeachbum avatar
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The Warning

This PBS Frontline Documentary called "The Warning" does an investigative treatment of the crash and casts a wider net of responsibility. Important people were pointing out the dangers and more important people were ignoring them.

As with most things related to PBS (and/or the media in general) it needs to be taken with a large grain of salt, but it looks interesting.

From the PBS site:

Brooksley Born, who speaks for the first time on television about her failed campaign to regulate the secretive, multitrillion-dollar derivatives market whose crash helped trigger the financial collapse in the fall of 2008.

"I didn't know Brooksley Born," says former SEC Chairman Arthur Levitt, a member of President Clinton's powerful Working Group on Financial Markets. "I was told that she was irascible, difficult, stubborn, unreasonable." Levitt explains how the other principals of the Working Group -- former Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan and former Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin -- convinced him that Born's attempt to regulate the risky derivatives market could lead to financial turmoil, a conclusion he now believes was "clearly a mistake."

Born's battle behind closed doors was epic, Kirk finds. The members of the President's Working Group vehemently opposed regulation -- especially when proposed by a Washington outsider like Born.

I think that in addition to the Congress, every Administration since 1989 has a share of the blame as well.
TNJed avatar
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#20
Left vs Right is a puppet side show compared to "he who owns the gold." Do not let the jibberjabber distract your ire. The real master is the Federal Reserve. Nearly hurts just typing their name since they are neither federal nor a reserve. They own the printing press which keeps this ponzi alive. That and the fact our currency is fiat is the only reason we haven't defaulted.


go go go Barofsky...

Barofsky Likely To Seek Criminal Or Civil Charges Against New York Fed, Geithner Targetted? | zero hedge
Lynnie avatar
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I was hoping you would chime in on this. I always learn a lot from your posts!!

I'm still trying to figure out what the heck a derivative is though :lol:


Derivative is the by-product of the actual mortgage created to entice investors. While once very simple, they are continually evolving with the industry and investor demands into complex vehicles. :blink:
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Derivative is the by-product of the actual mortgage created to entice investors. While once very simple, they are continually evolving with the industry and investor demands into complex vehicles. :blink:

Thanks Lynnie - that's the best explanation I've seen. I have friends that lost a lot of money on those investments tied to risky mortgages. I've got a very conservative Warren Buffet style money manager so luckily was spared :wave:
Beach Comber
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Ultimately it is the responsibility of the individual to live within his or her means.
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Ultimately it is the responsibility of the individual to live within his or her means.

Yep - and to look carefully at risk/reward when investing!!!
Lynnie avatar
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Thanks Lynnie - that's the best explanation I've seen. I have friends that lost a lot of money on those investments tied to risky mortgages. I've got a very conservative Warren Buffet style money manager so luckily was spared :wave:


If you're investing in Federal Agency Derivatives i.e. Ginnie Mae, Fannie, Freddie, you are pretty safe, particularly Ginnie Mae, which is completely backed by US Gov't. Fannie and Freddie are backed by the gov't by default - no pun intended.

The Goldman derivatives were not federally guaranteed, but seriously, they only sold to a few institutional investors. While what Goldman did was unethical, I have to wonder why the investors didn't perform their own due diligence. Crazy!
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This PBS Frontline Documentary called "The Warning" does an investigative treatment of the crash and casts a wider net of responsibility. Important people were pointing out the dangers and more important people were ignoring them.

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"It'll happen again if we don't take the appropriate steps," Born warns. "There will be significant financial downturns and disasters attributed to this regulatory gap over and over until we learn from experience."


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