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So if I understand your argument correctly, the camp that has not gobbled up the anthropogenic climate change theory is occupied exclusively by know nothings and hacks? If that is your understanding of the issue, what can I say? Will it make you feel any better that the three credit hour meteorology course I took in college constitutes more formal climatology training than that undertaken by 'the hated man'?

No, you don't understand it correctly and I could care less about the hated man, it's just some can't get past their hatred so they latch onto an even less knowledgeable senator to make themselves feel better.

The way I read it is that it is generally agreed by scientists that all of our changes to the planet have an effect.

The disagreement is to exactly what the effects are, what their magnitude is, and how we should deal with it.

By the way, and sorry to double post, I would like to know your source for the highlighted text above.

Deforestation

The effect of haze on climate is the largest source of uncertainty in determining how humans affect climate.

IPCC - Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change

Water Pollution Effects

Land Use and Land Cover Change

And some of it I just guessed at.

No, you don't understand it correctly and I could care less about the hated man, it's just some can't get past their hatred so they latch onto an even less knowledgeable senator to make themselves feel better.

I assume you are referencing Inhofe. Looks like he cares enough about the taxpayers to have gone to the Copenhagen fiasco on his own dime. Not surprisingly, his more 'enlightened' peers flushed our tax dollars down the toilet getting to the party. Not terribly surprising.:roll:
Copenhagen Summit Turned Junket? - CBS News

I assume you are referencing Inhofe. Looks like he cares enough about the taxpayers to have gone to the Copenhagen fiasco on his own dime. Not surprisingly, his more 'enlightened' peers flushed our tax dollars down the toilet getting to the party. Not terribly surprising.:roll:
Copenhagen Summit Turned Junket? - CBS News

Yes and he made quite an impression didn't he. Listen, I'm not trying to get into an argument on this subject with you or anyone because I'm not sure what the truth is and neither does anyone else. Let's just hope you are correct and then it's a win win for everyone.

Deforestation

The effect of haze on climate is the largest source of uncertainty in determining how humans affect climate.

IPCC - Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change

Water Pollution Effects

Land Use and Land Cover Change

And some of it I just guessed at.

That would be the part where you said the majority of the 'climate sciences community' are on record as believing the above mentioned have somehow taken a toll on our weather patterns. I don't know that is an accurate statement. Some do, some don't and I am willing to bet the trend is toward fewer willing to assert that humanity is behind relevant climate change.

That would be the part where you said the majority of the 'climate sciences community' are on record as believing the above mentioned have somehow taken a toll on our weather patterns. I don't know that is an accurate statement. Some do, some don't and I am willing to bet the trend is toward fewer willing to assert that humanity is behind relevant climate change.

So you're guessing at it also?

Survey: Scientists agree human-induced global warming is real

How can we have built, stripped, changed, paved, polluted, emitted, leached, burned, flooded, drained, and used the entire planet - without any consequences? What happens on the ground directly affects what happens above the ground. I think the people that don't see that climate change is a very probable possibility don't see much beyond what they imagine is their own contribution. Multiply that by the world population and see that we are a mind boggling influence on ALL of Mother Nature.

Who is the 'hated man?' And, who is the Senator from OK?

So if I understand your argument correctly, the camp that has not gobbled up the anthropogenic climate change theory is occupied exclusively by know nothings and hacks? If that is your understanding of the issue, what can I say? Will it make you feel any better that the three credit hour meteorology course I took in college constitutes more formal climatology training than that undertaken by 'the hated man'?

I have a green screen and a gorilla costume, would you be willing to do Gorilla Weather?

Who is the 'hated man?' And, who is the Senator from OK?

The hated man is Al Gore.

So you're guessing at it also?

Survey: Scientists agree human-induced global warming is real

A good find to bolster your argument, but if you think about it, a terribly flawed conclusion. The authors not so subtly discount the opinions of petroleum geolgists implying that their admitting their product and lifeblood heavily contributes to climate change is biased. Yet, 97% of surveyed climatologists (97%! Saddam Hussein didn't even enjoy that level of consensus on election day!) who depend on research dollars agree that humans are causing global warming. Is there no room for opinion bias on the climatologist's part? If they are so certain I imagine they could stop doing global warming research, right? Don't hold your breath as in academia it will always be 'publish or perish'.

SWGB-I will happily do gorilla weather. I hear that costume is warm and it sure hasn't been warm around these parts in some time.

How can we have built, stripped, changed, paved, polluted, emitted, leached, burned, flooded, drained, and used the entire planet - without any consequences? What happens on the ground directly affects what happens above the ground. I think the people that don't see that climate change is a very probable possibility don't see much beyond what they imagine is their own contribution. Multiply that by the world population and see that we are a mind boggling influence on ALL of Mother Nature.

The "Creationist" in me say that God probably knew in advance of plopping us down on this Earth that we'd be the self-gratifying human parasites that we are, and that He worked it into His plan that he'd program us to exterminate ourselves long before we ever dorked up the entire planet such that future intelligent life couldn't pick up where we left off, and flourish, as they helped the environment return to its equilibrium state. Then again, He could just say to Hell with it all and blot us out of existence with an asteriod strike as payback for our being the sad creatures that we are.

Then again, as the Evolutionist in me counters....perhaps we are programmed to evolve through Eternity such that our bodies thrive on in a more carcenogenic world replete with a completely new form of air to breath (like pollution) and, like trees, we will happliy survive embibing on higher levels of carbon levels; where our organs easily filter high levels of pollutants (chemical run-off, acid rain, radiation-laced spill) from our water source, plus we would probably need to survive on a more limited level of water intake; or where our skin becomes more lizard-like such that we can better absorb (or deflect) the increased UV.

Who knows what's coming?! Of course, we can make our "educated" guesses but, mark my words, either God'll get us if we don't watch out , or shiot will spontaneously happen and Life as we know it will change. The excitement is in not knowing!

A good find to bolster your argument, but if you think about it, a terribly flawed conclusion. The authors not so subtly discount the opinions of petroleum geolgists implying that their admitting their product and lifeblood heavily contributes to climate change is biased. Yet, 97% of surveyed climatologists (97%! Saddam Hussein didn't even enjoy that level of consensus on election day!) who depend on research dollars agree that humans are causing global warming. Is there no room for opinion bias on the climatologist's part? If they are so certain I imagine they could stop doing global warming research, right? Don't hold your breath as in academia it will always be 'publish or perish'.

SWGB-I will happily do gorilla weather. I hear that costume is warm and it sure hasn't been warm around these parts in some time.

Read into it what you will but I repeat, I'm not trying to argue with you because you are steadfast in your belief and I'm not. I'm willing to alter my viewpoint for I don't claim to have the answer or believe anyone has it at the moment.

Oh, and Saddam got 100% of the vote .

BBC NEWS | Middle East | Saddam 'wins 100% of vote'

I have a green screen and a gorilla costume, would you be willing to do Gorilla Weather?



The hated man is Al Gore.

Oh. Who hates Al Gore?

Oh. Who hates Al Gore?

Many people for not so clear reasons.

Many people for not so clear reasons.

I don't use the word "hate," except for a food item or an intangible. I can think of others that would qualify as the 'hated man' well before Al Gore. Pity that some do think that way.